9/11 Victim Flight 93: John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License

**clive** · 15 Sep 2010 , 08:02 AM

John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=217&topic_id=231
By Mr Thomas Potter

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." -Sir Walter Scott

The United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Prosecution Trial Exhibit # P200068 is the photograph of the expired Florida driver's license (T425-473-27-311-0) of John Talignani which was claimed to be found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly crashed. However, the street address that appears on the license, 8611 Huntsman Lane, Port Richey, Florida WAS NOT the address of John M. Talignani.

This property was owned by Louis C. Crisci and Denise M Crisci from 03/24/1988 to 06/24/94. The application date on John Talignani's driver's license is 09/01/92 and his correct Port Richey, Florida, address was 7202 BRAMBLEWOOD DRIVE which he purchased on 02/08/1985. Incidentally, whoever created this piece of evidence for the Zacarias Moussaoui show trial made another error. The extended zip code for the 8611 Huntsman Lane address is 2019 NOT 6911. The extended zip code for 7202 Bramblewood Drive is 6911.

United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui
Criminal No. 01-455-A Trial Exhibit # P200068
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaou.../

7202 Bramblewood Drive
Port Richey, Florida 34668-6911
Parcel ID 27-25-16-001B-00000-3370

Pasco County, Florida Clerk & Comptroller
http://www.pascoclerk.com/public-online-services-d...

United States Postal Service Zip Code Search
http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp

I wonder if John M Talignani's stepson, Sgt. Mitchell L Zykofsky, is still a New York City Police Department detective in Manhattan's 13th Precinct and knows abut the evidence tampering?

Mitchell L Zykofsky Twitter
http://twitter.com/zykcon

Mitchell L Zykofsky FaceBook
http://www.facebook.com/Mitchell.Zykofsky

New York City Police Department 13th Precinct
230 East 21st Street, New York, NY, 10011
(212) 477-7411 Crime Stoppers: 1-800-577-TIPS

Note by The Surgeon: Below are Clive's comments. He is referring to the faked license of Ceecee Lyles. See that thread for more info.

END NOTE: The commonalities of the fabricated driver's licenses are:

1.) Both fabricated driver's licenses were issued from the State of Florida.

2.) Both victims were related to people who work in law enforcement.

3.) Both fabricated driver's licenses in and of themselves were not actually used as evidence in the trial, only photographs were.

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**clive** · 15 Sep 2010 , 08:59 AM

Thanx Surgeon

Regards Clive

**Gundark** · 13 Sep 2011 , 16:39 PM

I think we need to be careful about drawing conclusions from the small amount of data presented here. Not that I'm saying that those conclusions are definitely wrong; I honestly don't know. But I think there are other possible explanations that need to be eliminated before this can be considered absolute proof.

Discrepancy 1: Mr Talignani bought a house in 1985, the address listed on the driver's license was a different house owned by the Criscis at the time of the license issuance in 1992.

Theory A: The license must be fake.
Theory B: Ownership is not proof of residence. Perhaps Mr. Talignani moved out of the home he bought in 1985, and by 1992 had rented the house owned by the Criscis.

I think Theory B must be eliminated before we can say for sure that Theory A is correct. Proof must be provided, based on some public record of Mr Tagliani's residence in 1992. Old phone books are available at some public libraries, or someone could interview surviving members of Mr. Talignani's family.

Discrepancy 2: The Zip+4 belongs to the address of Mr. Talignani's 1985 home, not the home address listed on the license as his residence in 1992.

Theory A: The license must be fake.
Theory B: Mr. Talignani, 58 years old at the time he renewed his license in 1992, wrote down the wrong Zip+4 on his renewal application.
Theory C: (and I think this one is more likely than B) The DMV screwed up. Mr Talignani didn't know his Zip+4 at the time he filled out his license renewal. Most people don't, and for that reason it is almost never required to be filled out on forms that have it. Computers were much less connected in 1992 -- remember 1992 was before widespread internet use. So the DMV, when entering the new address data, either was unable to, or didn't bother to look up the correct Zip+4 . In many computer systems, the extra four digits is a separate field; if the DMV clerk simply typed over the five digit zip, and didn't bother to clear the field containing the extra 4 digits, it would print out his license with the new 5-digit zip, but the old extra 4 digits. User error / laziness. Happens all the time.

Again, I think we would need to rule out these other theories before taking this as conclusive proof that Theory A is the only possible explanation.

**NonnyMus** · 1 Oct 2011 , 11:51 AM

Gundark, Thank you for your voice of reason. I've read so many leaps of imagination from conspiracy theorists who have found one bit of something they think is evidence.

As you mention, more reasonable explanations have to be ruled out before less reasonable explanations are even considered.

We certainly need to avoid accusing people of felonies based on implausible evidence, when much more reasonable possibilities exist! We most certainly shouldn't imply that internet readers should contact those people and bother them in any way about these issues. Especially someone's grieving stepson!

Let's get real. Leave the survivors of 9-11 victims alone! Certainly don't go accusing them of crimes based on something you've read on the internet, please! Especially less than a month after the 10th anniversary of their tragedy.

Thanks again, Gundark. Thanks for leaving Michael Zykofsky alone, everyone.

**do2read** · 1 Oct 2011 , 15:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NonnyMus

Gundark, Thank you for your voice of reason. I've read so many leaps of imagination from conspiracy theorists who have found one bit of something they think is evidence.

As you mention, more reasonable explanations have to be ruled out before less reasonable explanations are even considered.

We certainly need to avoid accusing people of felonies based on implausible evidence, when much more reasonable possibilities exist! We most certainly shouldn't imply that internet readers should contact those people and bother them in any way about these issues. Especially someone's grieving stepson!

Let's get real. Leave the survivors of 9-11 victims alone! Certainly don't go accusing them of crimes based on something you've read on the internet, please! Especially less than a month after the 10th anniversary of their tragedy.

Thanks again, Gundark. Thanks for leaving Michael Zykofsky alone, everyone.

Yes we should leave complete proven frauds like William Rodriguez and Tania Head alone.

Because you say so.

What a joke.

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**do2read** · 2 Oct 2011 , 00:50 AM

Quote:

Let's get real. Leave the survivors of 9-11 victims alone! Certainly don't go accusing them of crimes based on something you've read on the internet, please! Especially less than a month after the 10th anniversary of their tragedy.

Thanks again, Gundark. Thanks for leaving Michael Zykofsky alone, everyone.

As posted, it's Mitchell Zykovsky, not Michael.

John's family did not take the VCF money. Instead they are plaintiffs in the Motley Rice suit, which has gone nowhere. Like Ellen Mariani and Willie Rodruguez, these lawsuits were filed, then disappeared from the radar.

from here

Quote:

"Third, the vast majority of family members of 9/11 victims are completely against this just of junk you are referencing."

That's because they took the 'shut-up' money.

"I just didn't like the idea that Big Brother -- the government -- was going to handle everything for us," said Armand Talignani, in telephone interview from his home in New Jersey. "We still have the right to go our own route."

"It was just to pay people off," Mitchell Zykofsky, John Talignani's stepson, said of the federal fund. "The whole thing was a government panacea to escape liability for what they and the airliners are responsible for."

"It just infuriates me that the airlines don't want to take responsibility," added Zykofsky, a city police officer who lives in Queens.

To qualify for the government funds, the families had to waive their right to sue the airlines or any other potentially liable domestic entity

Several class action suits against the airlines have been filed in behalf of Sept. 11 relatives.

Talignani's relatives are among the plaintiffs in a legal action crafted by Motley Rice, the South Carolina firm headed by super-lawyer Ron Motley

It would have to be a family decision but my vote would be for a day in court," said Zykofsky. "I want an understanding of what happened on Sept. 11.... I want to know why security was breached."

Guess they really didn't want to know, as we haven't heard much from them. They passed up 2 million, but aren't too vocal about getting their answers.

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**taz37m** · 2 Oct 2011 , 01:41 AM

I never realized that Mr John Talignani lived in Port Richey, I always thought he lived in NY. Everything you read about him says NY. Where was he living when he died? Something smells fishy lol.

**taz37m** · 2 Oct 2011 , 20:35 PM

The point is it should have been on the local news but it wasn't. I thought he lived in NY

15 Sep 2010 , 08:02 AM	#1
clive Moderator Join Date: 3 Jul 2010 Location: Down Under Land Posts: 1,685 Threads: 119 Blog Entries: 123 Thanked 3,349 Times in 1,281 Posts	9/11 Victim Flight 93: John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=217&topic_id=231 By Mr Thomas Potter "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." -Sir Walter Scott The United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Prosecution Trial Exhibit # P200068 is the photograph of the expired Florida driver's license (T425-473-27-311-0) of John Talignani which was claimed to be found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly crashed. However, the street address that appears on the license, 8611 Huntsman Lane, Port Richey, Florida *WAS NOT* the address of John M. Talignani. This property was owned by Louis C. Crisci and Denise M Crisci from 03/24/1988 to 06/24/94. The application date on John Talignani's driver's license is 09/01/92 and his correct Port Richey, Florida, address was 7202 BRAMBLEWOOD DRIVE which he purchased on 02/08/1985. Incidentally, whoever created this piece of evidence for the Zacarias Moussaoui show trial made another error. The extended zip code for the 8611 Huntsman Lane address is 2019 NOT 6911. The extended zip code for 7202 Bramblewood Drive is 6911. United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Criminal No. 01-455-A Trial Exhibit # P200068 http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaou.../ 7202 Bramblewood Drive Port Richey, Florida 34668-6911 Parcel ID 27-25-16-001B-00000-3370 Pasco County, Florida Clerk & Comptroller http://www.pascoclerk.com/public-online-services-d... United States Postal Service Zip Code Search http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp *I wonder if John M Talignani's stepson, Sgt. Mitchell L Zykofsky, is still a New York City Police Department detective in Manhattan's 13th Precinct and knows abut the evidence tampering?* Mitchell L Zykofsky Twitter http://twitter.com/zykcon Mitchell L Zykofsky FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/Mitchell.Zykofsky New York City Police Department 13th Precinct 230 East 21st Street, New York, NY, 10011 (212) 477-7411 Crime Stoppers: 1-800-577-TIPS Note by The Surgeon: Below are Clive's comments. He is referring to the faked license of Ceecee Lyles. See that thread for more info. END NOTE: The commonalities of the fabricated driver's licenses are: 1.) Both fabricated driver's licenses were issued from the State of Florida. 2.) Both victims were related to people who work in law enforcement. 3.) Both fabricated driver's licenses in and of themselves were not actually used as evidence in the trial, only photographs were. \| Last edited by The Surgeon; 15 Sep 2010 at 08:43 AM. Reason: Started new thread, had into that referred to the Ceecee Lyle's thread

13 Sep 2011 , 16:39 PM	#3
Gundark Reader Join Date: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 1 Threads: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 9/11 Victim Flight 93: John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License I think we need to be careful about drawing conclusions from the small amount of data presented here. Not that I'm saying that those conclusions are definitely wrong; I honestly don't know. But I think there are other possible explanations that need to be eliminated before this can be considered absolute proof. Discrepancy 1: Mr Talignani bought a house in 1985, the address listed on the driver's license was a different house owned by the Criscis at the time of the license issuance in 1992. Theory A: The license must be fake. Theory B: Ownership is not proof of residence. Perhaps Mr. Talignani moved out of the home he bought in 1985, and by 1992 had rented the house owned by the Criscis. I think Theory B must be eliminated before we can say for sure that Theory A is correct. Proof must be provided, based on some public record of Mr Tagliani's residence in 1992. Old phone books are available at some public libraries, or someone could interview surviving members of Mr. Talignani's family. Discrepancy 2: The Zip+4 belongs to the address of Mr. Talignani's 1985 home, not the home address listed on the license as his residence in 1992. Theory A: The license must be fake. Theory B: Mr. Talignani, 58 years old at the time he renewed his license in 1992, wrote down the wrong Zip+4 on his renewal application. Theory C: (and I think this one is more likely than B) The DMV screwed up. Mr Talignani didn't know his Zip+4 at the time he filled out his license renewal. Most people don't, and for that reason it is almost never required to be filled out on forms that have it. Computers were much less connected in 1992 -- remember 1992 was before widespread internet use. So the DMV, when entering the new address data, either was unable to, or didn't bother to look up the correct Zip+4 . In many computer systems, the extra four digits is a separate field; if the DMV clerk simply typed over the five digit zip, and didn't bother to clear the field containing the extra 4 digits, it would print out his license with the new 5-digit zip, but the old extra 4 digits. User error / laziness. Happens all the time. Again, I think we would need to rule out these other theories before taking this as conclusive proof that Theory A is the only possible explanation.

1 Oct 2011 , 11:51 AM	#4
NonnyMus Reader Join Date: 1 Oct 2011 Posts: 1 Threads: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 9/11 Victim Flight 93: John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License Gundark, Thank you for your voice of reason. I've read so many leaps of imagination from conspiracy theorists who have found one bit of something they think is evidence. As you mention, more reasonable explanations have to be ruled out before less reasonable explanations are even considered. We certainly need to avoid accusing people of felonies based on implausible evidence, when much more reasonable possibilities exist! We most certainly shouldn't imply that internet readers should contact those people and bother them in any way about these issues. Especially someone's grieving stepson! Let's get real. Leave the survivors of 9-11 victims alone! Certainly don't go accusing them of crimes based on something you've read on the internet, please! Especially less than a month after the 10th anniversary of their tragedy. Thanks again, Gundark. Thanks for leaving Michael Zykofsky alone, everyone. Last edited by NonnyMus; 1 Oct 2011 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Added plea for reason.

2 Oct 2011 , 01:41 AM	#7
taz37m Reader Join Date: 11 Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 10 Threads: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 9/11 Victim Flight 93: John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License I never realized that Mr John Talignani lived in Port Richey, I always thought he lived in NY. Everything you read about him says NY. Where was he living when he died? Something smells fishy lol. __________________ Truth Justice and the American Way

2 Oct 2011 , 20:35 PM	#8
taz37m Reader Join Date: 11 Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 10 Threads: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 9/11 Victim Flight 93: John Talignani - Wrong Address on Driver's License The point is it should have been on the local news but it wasn't. I thought he lived in NY __________________ Truth Justice and the American Way

15 Sep 2010 , 08:59 AM	#2
clive Moderator Join Date: 3 Jul 2010 Location: Down Under Land Posts: 1,685 Threads: 119 Blog Entries: 123 Thanked 3,349 Times in 1,281 Posts	Thanx Surgeon Regards Clive