Alex Jones - Vatican opposers "Mentally Ill & Liars - Page 2

Phil Jayhan · 27 Oct 2007 , 05:21 AM

This is a great story. The Pope calls for a new world order.

Hmmm,
phil

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Original link:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0102-03.htm

Published on Friday, January 2, 2004 by the Guardian/UK Pope Calls for a New World Order
UN's failure to halt US war on Iraq leads to new initiative
by John Hooper in Rome

Pope John Paul II launched one of the most important diplomatic initiatives of his long papacy yesterday when he called for a new international order to replace the one that emerged from the second world war.

Though he did not offer a detailed plan, his words appeared to show he wanted the UN replaced in light of its failure to block the use of force by America in Iraq.

The Pope called last month for the reform of world institutions and deplored any failure to respect international law. But in a sermon during a mass at St Peter's in Rome yesterday, he went much further, referring to the UN as if it were already a part of the past.

"More than ever, we need a new international order that draws on the experience and results achieved in these years by the United Nations," he declared during a service to mark the Roman Catholic Church's World Day of Peace, celebrated on January 1.

He was flanked at the altar by two of his most senior international representatives: the secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, and the president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Cardinal Renato Martino, who outraged many Americans last month by expressing "pity" and "compassion" for the captured Saddam Hussein.

The congregation included the heads of all the diplomatic missions accredited to the Holy See.

In his homily, the Pope said the new world order he wanted "would be able to provide solutions to the problems of today ... based on the dignity of human beings, an integrated development of society, solidarity between rich and poor nations, and on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress."

The Pope believes that not enough of these goals are being achieved with the present system of international organizations that emerged in the late 40s, including the UN, the IMF and the World Bank.

But the central issue, seen from the Vatican's point of view, is the growing irrelevance of a painstakingly constructed body of international law which is being ignored by the US administration during its "war on terror".

Cardinal Martino first signaled the Pope's disquiet last month when he presented a document written by the pontiff to mark the World Day of Peace. Without naming the US, the Pope warned: "Peace and international law are closely linked to each other: law favors peace". He also pointedly observed that "democratic governments know well that the use of force against terrorists cannot justify a renunciation of the principles of the rule of law".

The Pope acknowledged that current international law was ill-suited to dealing with rebels or terrorists and called for new treaties and reform of the UN. But yesterday's appeal was for an altogether more sweeping change.

With observer status at the UN and a network of diplomats covering 174 countries, the Holy See is in a strong position to lobby for its goals.

Its concerns over US attitudes are unlikely to be assuaged by the latest statement of policy from President George Bush's secretary of state, Colin Powell. In an article for the New York Times yesterday, Mr Powell said: "President Bush's vision is clear and right: America's formidable power must continue to be deployed on behalf of principles that are simultaneously American, but that are also beyond and greater than ourselves."

Senior members of the Catholic Church of England and Wales endorsed the Pope's comments. "We welcome the words of the Vatican and fully support what the Holy See says in this," said Ollie Wilson, a spokesman for the Catholic media office.

They cast doubt however on whether he had meant to imply that the UN had had its day and should be replaced.

Peter Jennings, press secretary to the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Birmingham, said: "The Pope is a great advocate of the UN."

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

**trueblue** · 27 Oct 2007 , 10:28 AM

Phil, that post brings up what, for me anyway, is the real purpose behind all that has happened since 911. The INSANE actions of our leaders are not just for reaping trillions in war loot, or taking away our civil liberties, but to force the world to SCREAM, ENOUGH!!!!! to make the good people of Earth welcome a benign global dictatorship. (of course, it will look like a democracy)

Wonder why all our elected officials go along with the madness? It's not only that they're greedy (which they are!) but nearly all of them believe sincerely in the NEW WORLD ORDER, Huxley's Brave New World, H.G. Wells' Utopia!!!
It's the Hegelian dialect (problem, action, solution) scenario played out on a global scale!
I understand that people can't grasp a conspiracy of this magnitude, without understanding all the pieces that have been lined up in place over the centuries. Looking into it from this angle, ALL the pieces have a representative of the Vatican hidden in there somewhere!
And here, the Vatican is not in the background as usual, but right out front!

Phil Jayhan · 27 Oct 2007 , 14:43 PM

TB, Ya true in so many ways. People should check out this video of Tom Richards from Spiritually Smart. No production quality here, except for the total honesty and from the heart talking he presents. And everything he says about Alex Jones is true, and am willing to consider what he says about John Decamp and Ted Gunderson as well, because the points he makes about them, regardless of what they "exposed" are valid points which need to be considered. This is only 20 minutes long. But is a good listen.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq8S7vS2kz0[/youtube]

Cheers-
phil

**trueblue** · 29 Oct 2007 , 15:30 PM

Right on the heels of what we've been talking about!

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Martin Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story
Actor Martin Sheen questioned the official 9/11 story, as well as the collapse of Building 7 and Larry Silverstein's "pull it" comment during an anti-war march this past weekend in Los Angeles, saying that recent revelations about the attacks had caused him to have doubts.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles..._questions.htm

He's just now figuring it out?

**0bserver** · 2 Nov 2007 , 05:12 AM

I agree - it's time to call Alex Jones' bluff.

Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Hanoverians?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Hapsburgs?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Rothschilds?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Rockerfellers?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Du Ponts?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Carnegies?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Windsors?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the survivor accounts of Vatican ritual abuse?
Why doesn't he yell and scream about the missing trillions spent on psy-ops projects?

You know - maybe he is scared?

I dunno...but ther evidence is clear - the rest of the truth movement has learnt much during the last few years and instead of wondering what is going on, has now moved on to wondering what these families are doing with all this power and wealth. Some are even as advanced in their research to also wonder what these families are doing with archaic occult rituals and systems of belief and their abuse of the human. Wondering how they can exist whilst having slave-baby making women from which they take babies and either murder or mould into agents of "the organisation".

So...why is Alex Jones so far behind the 8-ball? It's looking extremely susupicious to me.

Alex - start talking about the real issues and save yourself!

Phil Jayhan · 3 Nov 2007 , 02:52 AM

I think we can sum it all up succinctly by saying why doesn't Alex Jones see the Vatican is obviously in control of all the secret societies, bloodlines, and corporations through the various Federal Reserve Corporations she has set up in various nations. and here is a copy and paste from an article by Chris Bollyn in the huddled masses that I thought would be more than relevant to this discussion as it touches on these selfsame points.

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Originally Posted by trueblue

Glen,
I was very happy to read your post!

The solution to the problem is the hard part, for me, the problem actually IS simple.

As I see it, certain people (Many people) find out early on in life how easy it is to lie and deceive other people.as they get older, they realize how powerful this practice is. As like seeks like, or birds of a feather... they get together and CONSPIRE to lie to whole groups of people,often only to gain some petty and localized bit of power and prestige. I see this often just in the little village I live in. (Yes, I really do live in a village!)

Blaming the Vatican does make it more complicated than blaming neo-cons, but the foundation goes back 2000 years, to a REVELATION that was shown to the apostle John. Now, this was written long before the earthly powers created the Vatican, yet it is described to a "T". For those who don't believe in Bible prophesy, take a close look at the Vatican anyway! study the history of this un-Godly institution, and try to understand that even when they were most visible, their dirty work is all done behind the scenes.

I think unbelievers can see this better than many believers, because the history of the Vatican is SO opposite of the teachings of Jesus. In fact, this is the reason so many think the gospel is a crock! Catholics who have been indoctrinated into this cult since birth, are generally the only ones who CAN'T see this.
I would like to see more people go one little step further in their researches, and find out what connection, if any, people involved in suspicious goings on have with the Vatican.

The founders of the CIA were not just simple Catholics, but honored, knighted Catholics! The infamous Dulles brothers, the same. The list goes on and on. And the most telling thing to me is, their obvious devotion to the Nazi war criminals.
When I first came here to Letsroll, I called Bush/Cheney and the powers that be,Nazi's. Well, I know now I was just one little step away from the truth. The historical FACTS back up Phil's assertion that the Nazi scourge of the last century was simply a continuation of the Vatican's inquisition.Which has never ended.

Good summary TB. And Glen, couldn't agree with you more. It is very complex, and yet so simple. In plane site, and yet all well hidden in plain sight. [sic] I hope each and every person here will take into consideration that I have never attacked any of these people, even after they attacked me. But have replied to their attacks, in due time, as I see fit. And they aren't emotional outbursts, as some might think or claim, as I watched and watched and gave Alex Jones more than enough rope to hang himself. Then I simply patted his high horse on the ass and let him swing in the wind, exposed before most, hoping for all.

Yet each and every person in this thread has a common denominator and a scarlet thread which ties them all together. They are all playing the Ancient "Blame the Jew" harp, and this harp ain't from God. This goes for Wing TV, Hufschmid, Darrel Bradford Smith, Alex Jones and Chris Bollyn. And each and every one of these people attacked me or this website first. I sure do hope each person will consider this. As if they consider this infighting, which it is not, that they will at least lay the blame where it started. Witht he people just mentioned above.

Let me give you an example of the devious ways in which Darrel Bradford Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn use; first they speak from forked tongue. "Tweeners" as Star has called them, but they are worse than "tweeners." They are outright liars. And they feed off of peoples ignorance. Let me show an example of this, where when all else fails, they simply lie through their teeth. Read the quote below, and see if you can spot the lie. Shouldn't be too terribly tough as nearly everyone here is well aquainted with 911: In Plane Sight, as well as the Directors cut.

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Original link:
http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfo..._Timeline.html

"In Plane Site" DVD

Dave von Kleist, the host of the radio show The Power Hour, released a video about 9/11 called In Plane Site. Phil Jayhan's pod theory was included in the video. This resulted in so many insults that von Kleist made a second version of his video without it, and with a few other corrections.

I even highlighted it so you couldn't miss it. They claim that von Kleist took out the evidence of the pod and missile from the 2nd version of the video, 911: In Plane Site. Yet it is an outright lie. Never happened. It was included. But will everyone who reads their happy horseshit "journalism" know this? No. And you see, thats the point here, and their only strength. They are attempting to poison the well on this most excellent evidence and proof. While at the same time, in another article, taking credit for these finds and research into them. The old forked tongue approach... We will call it the Way of Murdoch...

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Original link:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/ThePodPeople.html

On page 39 of my book an object can be seen flying out of the South Tower. Christopher Bollyn asked a physicist who has worked with uranium if that might be a uranium warhead. The physicist could not say what that particular object was, but he did say that uranium has that same characteristic of burning white, and when the oxides cool, they become dark. More about this is in the short video at HugeQuestions.com

Thus all of these people, Bollyn included, are liars and speak out of both sides of their mouth. Praising and simultaneously trashing the same evidence, and all of this in the same article nonetheless!! Only advanced chronic liars and people spreading disinformation could be so bold as to do this all in the same article! At least when Jones does it, he uses at least a different medium, and does it in different articles, lest anyone catch onto his little game of chronic lying and muddying the waters, or speaking out of both sides of his mouth. The Way of Murdoch...

And all of these people also have something else in common besides the old "Blame the Jew" game. They trash and speak ill of anyone daring to mention the Vatican and how it is they have subverted our once great nation. Darrel Bradford Smith and Eric Hufschmid both issued cryptic and not so cryptic threats to me on this very subject when speaking to them on the phone. Alex Jones claimed we are all mentally Ill and that he wants to [i]sue us into oblivion ...[i] (But claims he doesn't have the time to do this) And yet just a few days after Alex Jones tirades against those of us speaking the truth about the Vatican, how we are all mentally ill, and liars, and how he wants to "sue us", he has on his program someone saying these very things. And more confusing still, he agreed with everything said by his guest. Alex Jones speaks with a forked tongue. Bollyn, a strong Roman Catholic, goes as far as saying in his article which started this thread that the Vatican "played no part" in 911 or the subversion of America!

So which side of Alex Jones mouth do we believe? The wrong side or the right side? There is an old Philmanian saying, which goes something like this; He who rides both side of picket fence, end up with sore balls...

Does Alex Jones now consider himself "mentally ill?" A "liar?" Will he now "sue himself into oblivion?" Will he seek counseling for his newly discovered disorder whereby people are saying the Vatican is the source of all evil? And proponents and masters of the new world order? Enquiring minds want to know!

My best guess why Alex Jones, master of the forked tongue, had someone on his Radio show telling the truth about the Vatican is simple. Now he can say to those who point out his complicity and gate-keeping for the Vatican; "See, look here, back in late 2007 I had a person on my show speaking of these very things and I agreed with them when I was then speaking out of the right side of my mouth..." He did it to insulate himself from criticism. From just criticism. From the growing awareness of millions of people on the internet that are now strongly suspecting Alex Jones might not be the Super Patriot which he claims to be, because of his gate-keeping and suppression of the truth about the Vatican, and her myriad secret societies which this great whore controls, and subverts nations through.

He didn't have this guy on his radio show, speaking the truth about the Vatican, simply because he is "now just catching on." And seeing the truth of it. I can ssure you this is not the case. Eric Hufschmid pulled a similar tactic when he published a story on his website, when none were even raising any allegations about this subject, that he; May or may not be the Nephew of Rupert Murdoch... Which is an awfully odd story to put up, when the accusation had never once reared its ugly head, is it not? Eric Hufschmid did this because he knew the truth about his relationship to Murdoch, and was rightfully paranoid if it ever got to be common knowledge, that it would sink his credibility, faster than the Titanic sinking in icy waters. And if and when it ever reared its ugly head, he would simply point back to the article and say; See, I knew this might have been true, and even published an article about it, saying as much...See how honest I am???

And yet all of these people play with that double edged sword, and are playing the game of "Pin the Tail on the Jew" while on the other hand denying any truth of the Vatican being the supreme power group behind the subversion of this nation. It should be coming more and more obvious to people now, as it isn't all that hard to see. As all of these people have basically "outed themselves." They have burned their own covers. Wing TV did in such a magnaminous way that they actually had to leave the "truth movement." Because all people everywhere saw them as they were, bad comic book characters, in the third act of a badly scripted play.

Cheers-
phil

**trueblue** · 3 Nov 2007 , 11:15 AM

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The Way of Murdoch...

The religious faith of the Brave New World!

**Pope Benedict** · 5 Nov 2007 , 00:15 AM

You guys are acting like I am the Anti-Christ or something.

I just wanted to let you all know that this forum pisses off the Pope. Seriously pisses him off! And your all going to Hell!

Alex Jones was right about you all being Mentally Ill & Liars! All of you are scoundrels & godless! Each and every last one of you Godless heathen puppets. And when you drop into Hell, I'll be there to throw in some fresh brimstone and stoke the fires!

With Much Love,

Pope Benedict

**trueblue** · 5 Nov 2007 , 09:52 AM

Pope Benny said;

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And when you drop into Hell, I'll be there to throw in some fresh brimstone and stoke the fires!

NO DOUBT!!!! HaHa!!

**0bserver** · 6 Nov 2007 , 02:13 AM

Quote:

I think we can sum it all up succinctly by saying why doesn't Alex Jones see the Vatican is obviously in control of all the secret societies, bloodlines, and corporations through the various Federal Reserve Corporations she has set up in various nations. and here is a copy and paste from an article by Chris Bollyn in the huddled masses that I thought would be more than relevant to this discussion as it touches on these selfsame points.

The Vatican...is this where the Hapsburgs and Hanoverians control things from? I am not 100% about that Phil. The ruling NWO families may be seperate from it and just using the Vatican as a demon whorehouse/control centre...

27 Oct 2007 , 05:21 AM	#11
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 20,437 Threads: 2502 Blog Entries: 25 Thanked 779 Times in 433 Posts	Pope Calls for a New World Order This is a great story. The Pope calls for a new world order. Hmmm, phil [hr:555685c0e2] Original link: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0102-03.htm Published on Friday, January 2, 2004 by the Guardian/UK Pope Calls for a New World Order UN's failure to halt US war on Iraq leads to new initiative by John Hooper in Rome Pope John Paul II launched one of the most important diplomatic initiatives of his long papacy yesterday when he called for a new international order to replace the one that emerged from the second world war. Though he did not offer a detailed plan, his words appeared to show he wanted the UN replaced in light of its failure to block the use of force by America in Iraq. The Pope called last month for the reform of world institutions and deplored any failure to respect international law. But in a sermon during a mass at St Peter's in Rome yesterday, he went much further, referring to the UN as if it were already a part of the past. "More than ever, we need a new international order that draws on the experience and results achieved in these years by the United Nations," he declared during a service to mark the Roman Catholic Church's World Day of Peace, celebrated on January 1. He was flanked at the altar by two of his most senior international representatives: the secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, and the president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Cardinal Renato Martino, who outraged many Americans last month by expressing "pity" and "compassion" for the captured Saddam Hussein. The congregation included the heads of all the diplomatic missions accredited to the Holy See. In his homily, the Pope said the new world order he wanted "would be able to provide solutions to the problems of today ... based on the dignity of human beings, an integrated development of society, solidarity between rich and poor nations, and on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress." The Pope believes that not enough of these goals are being achieved with the present system of international organizations that emerged in the late 40s, including the UN, the IMF and the World Bank. But the central issue, seen from the Vatican's point of view, is the growing irrelevance of a painstakingly constructed body of international law which is being ignored by the US administration during its "war on terror". Cardinal Martino first signaled the Pope's disquiet last month when he presented a document written by the pontiff to mark the World Day of Peace. Without naming the US, the Pope warned: "Peace and international law are closely linked to each other: law favors peace". He also pointedly observed that "democratic governments know well that the use of force against terrorists cannot justify a renunciation of the principles of the rule of law". The Pope acknowledged that current international law was ill-suited to dealing with rebels or terrorists and called for new treaties and reform of the UN. But yesterday's appeal was for an altogether more sweeping change. With observer status at the UN and a network of diplomats covering 174 countries, the Holy See is in a strong position to lobby for its goals. Its concerns over US attitudes are unlikely to be assuaged by the latest statement of policy from President George Bush's secretary of state, Colin Powell. In an article for the New York Times yesterday, Mr Powell said: "President Bush's vision is clear and right: America's formidable power must continue to be deployed on behalf of principles that are simultaneously American, but that are also beyond and greater than ourselves." Senior members of the Catholic Church of England and Wales endorsed the Pope's comments. "We welcome the words of the Vatican and fully support what the Holy See says in this," said Ollie Wilson, a spokesman for the Catholic media office. They cast doubt however on whether he had meant to imply that the UN had had its day and should be replaced. Peter Jennings, press secretary to the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Birmingham, said: "The Pope is a great advocate of the UN." © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004 __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan v666 Blog \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law" "In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

27 Oct 2007 , 10:28 AM	#12
trueblue Moderator Join Date: 9 Feb 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4,084 Threads: 117 Blog Entries: 3 Thanked 111 Times in 74 Posts	Phil, that post brings up what, for me anyway, is the real purpose behind all that has happened since 911. The INSANE actions of our leaders are not just for reaping trillions in war loot, or taking away our civil liberties, but to force the world to SCREAM, ENOUGH!!!!! to make the good people of Earth welcome a benign global dictatorship. (of course, it will look like a democracy) Wonder why all our elected officials go along with the madness? It's not only that they're greedy (which they are!) but nearly all of them believe sincerely in the NEW WORLD ORDER, Huxley's Brave New World, H.G. Wells' Utopia!!! It's the Hegelian dialect (problem, action, solution) scenario played out on a global scale! I understand that people can't grasp a conspiracy of this magnitude, without understanding all the pieces that have been lined up in place over the centuries. Looking into it from this angle, ALL the pieces have a representative of the Vatican hidden in there somewhere! And here, the Vatican is not in the background as usual, but right out front! __________________ A LIE BELIEVED BY EVERYBODY IS NOT THE TRUTH

27 Oct 2007 , 14:43 PM	#13
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 20,437 Threads: 2502 Blog Entries: 25 Thanked 779 Times in 433 Posts	TB, Ya true in so many ways. People should check out this video of Tom Richards from Spiritually Smart. No production quality here, except for the total honesty and from the heart talking he presents. And everything he says about Alex Jones is true, and am willing to consider what he says about John Decamp and Ted Gunderson as well, because the points he makes about them, regardless of what they "exposed" are valid points which need to be considered. This is only 20 minutes long. But is a good listen. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq8S7vS2kz0[/youtube] Cheers- phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan v666 Blog \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law" "In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

2 Nov 2007 , 05:12 AM	#15
0bserver Free Mind Join Date: 6 Oct 2004 Posts: 3,331 Threads: 148 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree - it's time to call Alex Jones' bluff. Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Hanoverians? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Hapsburgs? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Rothschilds? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Rockerfellers? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Du Ponts? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Carnegies? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the Windsors? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the survivor accounts of Vatican ritual abuse? Why doesn't he yell and scream about the missing trillions spent on psy-ops projects? You know - maybe he is scared? I dunno...but ther evidence is clear - the rest of the truth movement has learnt much during the last few years and instead of wondering what is going on, has now moved on to wondering what these families are doing with all this power and wealth. Some are even as advanced in their research to also wonder what these families are doing with archaic occult rituals and systems of belief and their abuse of the human. Wondering how they can exist whilst having slave-baby making women from which they take babies and either murder or mould into agents of "the organisation". So...why is Alex Jones so far behind the 8-ball? It's looking extremely susupicious to me. Alex - start talking about the real issues and save yourself! __________________ http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...vali_index.htm

5 Nov 2007 , 00:15 AM	#18
Pope Benedict Reader Join Date: 4 Nov 2007 Location: Lateran Palace, Vatican City Posts: 2 Threads: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You guys are acting like I am the Anti-Christ or something. I just wanted to let you all know that this forum pisses off the Pope. Seriously pisses him off! And your all going to Hell! Alex Jones was right about you all being Mentally Ill & Liars! All of you are scoundrels & godless! Each and every last one of you Godless heathen puppets. And when you drop into Hell, I'll be there to throw in some fresh brimstone and stoke the fires! With Much Love, Pope Benedict __________________ One day you shall all bow before me or Die!!