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Evolution/Creation - Debate Made Simple

Posted 1 Mar 2010 at 14:20 PM by spanner

EVOLUTION OR CREATION?
DEBATE MADE SIMPLE
While the debate rages on in society, there is a simple reasoning for the answer if one can think and use logic. Those who refuse the logical progression do so to add confusion and promote their own ideaology but do not do so by sound reasoning or logic and put the entire world at risk of their own death. These have a purpose in their deception but it usually involves a monetary one, and unfortunately the claim can be countered by themselves toward any of the other groups who are in opposition. The answer given in the scriptures can be found in Romans, however, I did state the debate is simple one.

ROMAN ROAD
As I stated Romans in the New Testament gives us some direction as how to attain our simple answer:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. - Romans 1:18-25
First, God states that all of these whom oppose Him are/or have no excuse as He has written the truth in their heart the same as He has you and I, they do know truth.
Second, these believe themselves to be wise but have actually become idiots who cannot debate truth as they have setup one lie to cover the other lie and lose reality.
Third, because they refuse the truth and worship images of birds, etc.., and woship their own sexuality and their desire is toward their own sex as in male to male and female to female.
Fourth, God compels them to accept truth but they continue in their defiance even to mockery and anger toward God. Because of their own rebellion and lack of desire to have an eternity in heaven, God turns them over to become what they desire to what is known as reprobate. The definition of a reprobate is as follows:
Reprobate 1 : to condemn strongly as unworthy, unacceptable, or evil <reprobating the laxity of the age> 2 : to foreordain to damnation 3 : to refuse to accept : reject

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; - Romans 1:26-28
God gives them at least four times (actually more) which are listed in the book of Revelation due to their response toward God:

And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. - Revelation 9:20-21
These are the more informative but the others are listed in: Revelation 2:21, 9:20, 16:9, 16:11

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. - Revelation 16:10-11
No matter how much God appealed unto these during the Tribulation Period which comes upon the entire earth, they grew angry and rejected Him even more. God reveals Himself to them in the Tribulation Period by the events foretold in the book of Revelation just as we can know the Bible is true today by the revealed scripture that was foretold over 2000 years ago. One of the biggest prophecies of our time to indicate such is the founding of Israel as a nation in 1948 and the ability by science to place a chip into the hand or forehead of a person. We are quickly moving to the EFT (electronic fund transfer) which will eliminate the need for paper or coin monies but which will require a "permanent" fixture on the human so as to prevent identification theft so prevalent in our day. God revealed to these that rebel Him in the words above, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead". The invisible things of God are of course able to be viewed in that He created all things such as all we can see and realize.
CREATION MADE SIMPLE
Having this background of information we may now continue in the simplicity of "God Created". Scientist's used to believe in an "Imploding Universe", that is the Universe was expanding and reaching a certain point and then coming back toward the beginning of the Big Bang. Much like a "ripple effect" in a small pond when you throw in a rock it goes in ripples or small waves and reaches the bank and ripples back to the point of origin where the rock hit the water. The problem of course was what was the "bank or the wall" that caused the ripple to return? Science could not "see" any evidence of the ripple returning although they gave several examples of effects they thought at that time that were "facts" of the ripple returning effect. If you were in college in these years you were given much detailed facts of the "Exploding and Imploding Universe" and this was not just a theory this was indeed the fact as late as the year 1980 and after. Recently, scientists realized that if their was a "wall" which caused the the "ripple" to return to it's origin the Big Bang, then there had to be something beyond the wall and with the journey of the Hubble space telescope science has learned there is no wall or ripple effect. So within the past 10 years science has reversed it's theory to now holding that the Universe is ever-expanding and there is no end to space. Scientists knew that ridicule would overtake them if they continued pushing the wall/ripple effect especially with so much evidence to the contrary, so you would think they could embrace the concept of Creation which they will have to do eventually, especially since they will endorse the Anti-Christ. Creation reveals God as there is no end to the Universe, but it continues forever. Science finally accepted forever in the term of the Universe but are sluggish with the concept that God is, was, and alway will be - the same name He gave to Moses concerning Himself, "I AM".
NO TIME
If you can picture in your mind a place where there is not time, that is God. We as humans experience Stop and Go, sleep, work and sleep, get up-go to bed, all things we know as humans is time:
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. - Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Some 29 or so times the writer states the word, "time" and time is determined from the point that something or someone is born until the moment of death, the interval inbetween is called Time. There is a place where there is no time and that place is called God not just a place persay but an entity, for the lack of a better description. Now in the Big Bang there were two Atoms which attracted which so much force they bore out the the big bang or they "created" the Big Bang, if you will. There was nothing and then there was something - an impossibility. It could not be "nothing" if it produced "something" and someone had to create those two atoms as atoms contain properties such as nitrogen, helium, oxygen, wood etc.., and scientists do not even speculate the properties of the two as they know it would limit such a powerful explosion, the best we can do today is the Nuclear or Neutron bomb which does not have enough power or capacity to develop rock, water, terra firma (land/dirt) oxygen etc.., as all it leaves behind is gas (radiation) and no physical attributes. So there had to be someone who "created" the two atoms if their theory were correct, which it isn't. So you may ask or insert that God must also needs to have been created? If you were to maintain that then the one who would have created god would need to have been created and so on and so on. Star Trek calls it a Dimenson so too does the Twilight Zone, but there is a place which I will call Heaven where there is no time and that too would be incorrect for God created all things, so there is a being whom is called "God" and He was never created but He created all things, no matter how you view the subject there had to be One that Created all things. It will not be long that scientists will embrace this just as they did the "non-existant wall" at the "end of the Universe". Now if it makes you feel better you can state God created god created god created god, you can continue for as long as you like but there had to be one that created all things.

TWO ATOMS
Where did the two atoms get their introduction or begin to be recognized? It may cause you to laugh a little but it came from Genesis as you must have a little truth to confirm a lie.
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. - Genesis 5:1-2
Remember you cannot have nothing and then have something come out of nothing and if you could someone would have had to place them there and push them and give them properties unknown to mankind. NOTHING. NO THING. There have been so many things the Bible has predicted that have been revealed in your time that they probably would take books to show them. For example, confirmed events which have occurred in our day:
1. The "gospel" must be preached to all nations.
2. The "gospel" must be published to all nations.
3. Israel must be back in their land.
4. Arabs must be in their land and hate the Jew.
5. Computers, a way of info must be developed.
6. A means of "marking" people must be available.
7. The nations of the world must come together as one.
8. Evil must be increased at the time of the end.
9. False Christs and ministers must be "working the people"
10. Planes, trains and autos must be developed.
11. Jets,tanks weapons of war, nukes must be developed.
12. Acceptance of homosexuality and lesbianism.
13. False doctrines must be in the "churches"
14. Women as ministers must be in the "churches"
15. Television and mass communications must be in place,
Hubble or etc.., must be in space.
These are but 15 of which many, many more could be listed, but these alone should convince anyone the day and hour we are living under, and here are a few of the co-orsponding verses:

1. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand - Matthew 24:14-15
2. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. - Mark 13:10

3. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: - Mark 13:28 and And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. - Luke 21:29-30
4. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. - Luke 21:20
5. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. - Daniel 12:4
6. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. - Revelation 13:16-17
7. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. - Revelation 13:6-8 and And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. - Daniel 2:42-44
8. A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. - Jeremiah 25:31-33
9. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. - 1 Timothy 4:1-3 and For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. - Mark 13:22
10. And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. - Daniel 8:5 ALL EZEKIEL 1 and The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. - Joel 2:4-6
11. And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. - Zechariah 14:12
12. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. - Jude 7-8
13. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: - ll Peter 3:3-6 (Note; This can only be the "church" as sinners could care less about scripture and these deny that the Great Tribulation comes upon ALL the earth forgetting that the world was covered by water and not just a local flood as some assume the Tribulation to be only local as in Jerusalem)
14. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. - Revelation 2:20-22
15. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. - Revelation 1:7 and And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. - Luke 21:25-28 and Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. - Matthew 24:29-30



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    Hey spanner! Welcome to the forums! Always happy to see another believer! Hope you like the forums!

    Cheers-
    Phil
    Posted 1 Mar 2010 at 14:26 PM by Phil Jayhan Phil Jayhan is offline
 

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