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the pentagon - what really really happened

Posted 27 May 2012 at 04:07 AM by 22205
Updated 25 Feb 2019 at 02:53 AM by 22205

the witnesses corroborate each other on the location of the plane, placing it north of the poles and arriving at an intersecting angle to the trajectory that the staged poles (and damage inside the building) attempt to depict.
 




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this is what i consider to be a huge clue as to exactly where the plane flew and what it did, in other words, how the illusion worked and how it fooled the witnesses.

start here with this guy's (mickey bell's) account (has only been publicly told by singleton) and you'll know exactly what the plane did once it approached that southwestern corner of that building, and you'll know why mr.bell immediately got in his truck and got the hell out of there.

Quote:
"Where the plane came in was really at the construction entrance," says Jack Singleton, president of Singleton Electric Co. Inc., Gaithersburg MD, the Wedge One electrical subcontractor. "The plane's left wing actually came in near the ground and the right wing was tilted up in the air. That right wing went directly over our trailer, so if that wing had not tilted up, it would have hit the trailer. My foreman, Mickey Bell, had just walked out of the trailer and was walking toward the construction entrance."

Singleton says Bell's memory of the event is still somewhat clouded. "All that he remembers is that he heard a loud noise. He thought it was a helicopter coming in to the heliport behind him. The next thing he remembers is picking himself up off the ground and seeing the fire and the explosions in front of him," adds Singleton. "He has no idea how long he was knocked out, but we figure it had to be at least a few minutes. My guess is that he was in shock, because when he got up, he just got right into his pick-up truck next to the trailer and drove immediately out through the gates." (and he didnt stop driving til he got to maryland - far far away from the pentagon)

for reference, this is the location of the construction trailer he was near (has a green / white sign that reads "singleton electric" and is on the far right):



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this is my best assessment of exactly what happened:

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edit in 2019 - photobucket hotlinks show no image at all, just empty screen - replaced with direct links


*note: for the record, i speak only for myself and the opinions/beliefs i've expressed here are strictly my own and not cit's, even though we have worked closely together.
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    the witness accounts

    thought they saw it hit BEFORE the building -
     
     
    reporter:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...7y7KfLI#t=573s

    (4:30 am EST September 12, 2001 Fox News broadcast )
    -says "initially there were some reports that perhaps the plane hit just in front of the pentagon and then smashed into it..."
     
     
     
    Lt. Commander John Sayer:
    http://www.webcitation.org/60ozXb22i

    Quote:
    Lt. Commander John Sayer, a Navy reservist, was riding on a bus when he heard a thud. '' It sounded like a very loud clap,'' he said. ''
    Quote:
    At first I thought an airplane had hit in front of the Pentagon, but when I got closer I saw that it had struck the Pentagon.''
     
     
     
     
    Joe Harrington:
    http://ww2.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary.../10380-1.shtml

    Quote:
    Harrington was working on the installation of new furniture in Wedge One, when he was called out to the parking lot to talk about security with his customer moments before the crash.
    Quote:

    "About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd.," Harrington said. "It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It was like a Hollywood movie or something."
     
     
     
    Father Stephen McGraw:
    s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3485532/1/
    pumpitout.com/audio/fsm_062010.mp3 (audio)

    at 1:50 - mcgraw to hill: "i distinctly recall the plane hitting the ground before the building"
     
     
     
     
     
    hit ground first then "bounced" into building -
     
    Rodney Washington
    http://www.boston.com/news/packages/...ponse%2B.shtml

    The plane was flying low and rapidly descended, Washington said, knocking over light poles before hitting the ground on a helicopter pad just in front of the Pentagon and essentially bouncing into it.
    It ''landed there and the momentum took it into the Pentagon,'' Washington said. ''There was a very, very brief delay and then it exploded.''
     
     
     
    Wanda Ramey

    "the plane didnt like fly straight into the building, the plane, appeared to me to hit down then bounced up into the building", "it was tilted more down to the left (clarified: to the plane's left)"...
     
     
    Michael James
    http://web.archive.org/web/200212021...exis/james.txt

    Rocky Mountain News (Lexis-Nexis - M. E. Sprengelmeyer)

    HEADLINE: ALAMEDA GRAD MISSES CHAOS AT PENTAGON BY 10 MINUTES
    BYLINE: M.E. Sprengelmeyer, News Washington Bureau
    BODY:

    a Navy information technician, watched from his car with his wife Isabelle)...As he rushed to get ready, he and his wife, Isabelle, saw the plane veer toward the Pentagon. His offices are in the general vicinity of where the plane crashed. "The plane came over the top of us and brushed the trees, " he said. "Then it looked like it hit the helicopter pad and skipped up and went right into the first and second floors."




     
    wing hitting the ground -

    Tim Timmerman:
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html

    TIMMERMAN: I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building.

    And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible.

    TIMMERMAN: That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view.

    And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames.

    FRANKEN: So there was a fireball that you saw?

    TIMMERMAN: Absolutely. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion.

    FRANKEN: What did you see after that?

    TIMMERMAN: Nothing but the flames. I sat here, and I took a few pictures out of my window, and I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.
     
    more timmerman:
    http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=89

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by plan271
    I have the original first hand account from Timmerman and will provide it along with Ms. Vignola's account. During my in-person interview of Timmerman, the day of the attack, he stated that it appeared that
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by plan271
    the airplane crashed at an angle, causing the wing to impact first, followed by the fuselage, both of which hit the ground before impacting the building.
     
     
     
    Steve Anderson (also a LEFT-BANK witness):

    http://www.jmu.edu/alumni/tragedy_re..._messages.html

    It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the groundand slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.

     
     
     
     
    saw it banking right -
     
    SEAN BOGER:
    http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=509

    Sean describes the "right" bank or tilt just like the Arlington Cemetery witnesses we know that what he is describing matches perfectly with the relatively slow right banking flyover to the south parking where Pentagon police officer Roosevelt Roberts Jr saw it flying away immediately AFTER the explosion.

    -19th minute of NSA presentation, Boger says it (the plane) was not level and hit between second and third floor. imo - he is describing the nose or fuselage not the wings.
     
     
    http://www.moaa.org/Magazine/January2002/feature3.asp

    Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex.

    American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine.
     
     
     
    TERRYMORIN:
    http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=986

    http://www.racematters.org/reportmar...erpentagon.htm

    Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off roughly mile in front of you. At once there was a huge cloud of black smoke that rose several hundred feet up. Elapsed time from hear-ing the initial noise to when I saw the impact flash was between 12 and 15 seconds.
     
     
    Gary Bauer
    http://www.webcitation.org/60cIjm7gC
    I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.


    http://www.webcitation.org/60cIuplIX
    GB: Yeah. I was heading into Washington to take part in a press conference on the issue of Sudan, where there is a radical Muslim government, and I was sitting in a traffic jam just outside the Pentagon. The traffic jam hadn't gone 100 yards in 20 minutes when I got the first call about a plane crashing into the World Trade Center, which at the time people thought was an accident. Then -- not that long after, which made it clear it wasn't an accident -- another plane hit, and it was at that moment when I realized I was sitting at the closest point on the road that you could get to the Pentagon. I was less than 100 yards away at that particular exit and many of us in the traffic jam had our windows down. We were comparing notes -- what radio stations we were listening to -- when all of a sudden we heard a roar of a jet engine. I looked out of my front window and I saw movement over to the side. I turned and looked and the plane came from behind us and banked to the right and went into the Pentagon. That blast literally moved our cars, so it was a fairly dramatic moment.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    banking left -

    aforementioned,
    -wanda ramey

    plus:
    http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/s...ing_to_die.php

    Mary Ann Owens
    Mare Ann Owens, a journalist with Gannett News Service - part of Newsquest's American parent company Gannett, which owns This is Local London - was driving along by the side of the Pentagon, on September 11, 2001, when a hijacked jet screamed overhead and ploughed into it. Here, she recalls the events of that horrific day and her feelings about the tragedy 12 months on.

    THE sound of sudden and certain death roared in my ears as I sat lodged in gridlock on Washington Boulevard, next to the Pentagon on September 11.
    Up to that moment I had only experienced shock by the news coming from New York City and frustration with the worse-than-normal traffic snarl ... but it wasn't until I heard the demon screaming of that engine that I expected to die.

    Between the Pentagon's helicopter pad, which sits next to the road, and Reagan Washington National Airport a couple of miles south, aviation noise is common along my commute to the silver office towers in Rosslyn where Gannett Co Inc. were housed last autumn.
    But this engine noise was different. It was too sudden, too loud, too encompassing.

    Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.

    The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard.

    Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon.

    This Is Local London, September 2002
     
     
     
    saw it bank right AND ALSO left -

    aforementioned,
    -steve anderson

    plus:
    -bell
    -marra
    -probst
    -mason

    -who else?
     
    (section awaiting completion - its in the works)


    Posted 14 Aug 2012 at 15:25 PM by 22205 22205 is offline
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    pentagon GiF i made based on witness accounts -



    -the timing is slightly off in my gif. i believe the explosions started about one second later in to the flight, meaning the fireball begins to rise as the plane is closer to the building than i have depicted. none the less, despite whatever errors/limitations of scale and location it contains, it is still the closest thing to a simulation of the truth - as exists on the internets yet:


    - the plane arrives over the annex buildings, banks heavy right / throttles up, goes to left bank over the lawn and over the singleton construction trailers, arrives over south parking ("lane 1 and 50 fifty above light poles"), banking left, reaches river, ascends, heading north by nw up river.

    the gif i made is of the crucial part where to everyone on the north, the plane disappears into a fireball but appears to have headed into the building... more to come..
    Posted 18 Feb 2019 at 05:14 AM by 22205 22205 is offline
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    in a nutshell: plane approaches in a hard right bank, begins to bank left, as it does lightpoles (rigged at bases) fall simultaneous to the banking, though the poles are NOT hit by the wings. some sort of grey smoke also goes off (witnessed and mentioned by at least morin and probst but maybe others). explosions begin as plane is in the act of banking left. this move is described as a "cartwheel" by some, while to others it appears the plane (wings not fuselage) scraped the ground. like i said, these are fooled witnesses, tricked by a literal illusion. so they dont need to be debunked as much as deconstructed.. so the plane exits over south parking, banking left. mimicking an outbound dca flight, it ascends north by nw, using the typical commercial outbound upriver path. it is not n64aa though. that plane disappeared over wv/ky/oh border. this plane, has aa livery and is silver (reflects surfaces hence the varying colors attributed to it). as long as it is not caught at the scene and followed until unboarded, it is basically home free. but as a fail safe contingency if intercepted, this plane has a different tail number and likely zero passengers - just a crooked air america flight crew (seems like AA is crawling with them - usaf guys from nam). ironically, the fact is they were intercepted, chased by a helicopter (the one that usually sits parked at the penta-helipad) but it obviously could not keep up. there are some hints in an interview which allude to it, BUT radar stamps for the chopper, PROVE IT! more later...
    Posted 23 Mar 2019 at 06:10 AM by 22205 22205 is offline
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    Hey 22205,
    It's all very interesting, and the truth is far from the OFT. You have done a great job on compiling the apparently contradictory testimonies of the direction of the plane's bank angle. There has to be a way to make sense of how so many close eyewitnesses saw two mutually exclusive scenarios.

    The NOC witnesses almost ALL reported a right bank. Maybe even all of them. But when you think about it, they were in positions where their view of the moment of impact, was obscured by trees, earth berms, elevated highway, cemetery bank, wall, fences, Navy Annex, overhead sign, etc.

    We should do a map of witness locations relative to their claims of left and right bank. I think that would be helpful.

    Re the rapid switch from a right bank to a left bank, well that is just not something a 757 is capable of. When a plane banks right, it is turning right and vice versa. So if the plane switched from right to left bank just before overflying the building, it would be turning left, and would not fly over South Parking, but towards North Parking.

    But both Michael Kelly and Don Scott were on I-395 heading east when they saw the plane (a) flying across him near 14th St Bridge before the explosion, and (b) turning hard right from north of the Pentagon, before the explosion.

    They were both therefore flyover witnesses.

    David Ball was another flyover witness on I-395 who actually talked about it as such, and he was murdered.

    There is no way - as they imagined in their confusion - that the plane could have turned back from where Kelly and Scott both saw it, to then hit the building. But that is what their minds were tricked into believing had happened.

    Just as Roosevelt Roberts and DeWitt Roseborough were deceived. Also Dennis Smith who saw the plane's tail from the courtyard, before he heard the explosion.

    I agree with you about there being a delay between flyover and explosion, but I think it was even longer. And I believe this can even be seen on one of the Gatecam videos, where there is a ghostly image of a 757 banking right, above the height of the Pentagon, in 2 frames, before the 'plane' is seen flying across the lawn. Those images are posted on my Lloyde England Vindicated thread. The ghostly image is the identical shape to the plane that was photoshopped in. Maybe a whistleblower left these faint images in the sky, hoping somebody would stumble on the truth.

    The plane was actually well over the building before the explosion occurred ... but there was ALSO a separate event that happened on the Helipad where the fire and the debris were.

    Just not Honegger's 'white plane destroyed on the helipad without hitting the wall' theory. She got close, but not close enough.

    And Jim Fetzer's idea that the debris must have been dumped on the Helipad by the C-130 also comes close to what happened, while missing the truth.

    The debris was caused by something separate from what made the impact hole. That much is self-evident, but so far, nobody else has even imagined what the mechanism could have been. Even though numerous witnesses saw it happen, and tried to explain this the best way they could. Hence the 'left bank', the plane 'hitting short', 'bouncing on the lawn,' 'cartwheeling,' and 'left wing hit the ground first' testimonies.

    Just look at Boger's and Kidd's cars on fire. Boger's car was well ablaze for many minutes before Kidd's Jeep even caught fire. Yet the Jeep was closer to the impact hole, therefore should have borne the brunt of the jet fuel and shielded Boger's car.

    It must have been the other way round, if a 757 had hit at the impact hole. The burning fuel from its left wing should have travelled right to left, not left to right. The Jeep ought to have erupted in flames first, if the 'jet fuel' fire originated from the impact hole direction.

    I am interested in the helicopter you mentioned, and the radar evidence. What do you know about this? It is a very significant element in the truth of what happened. It was one of the first things seen and testified to, yet it was successfully suppressed very quickly. Likewise, the radar data would have to have been falsified to cover up the role played by this chopper.

    It is impossible to find any genuine witness testimony about it, nobody has identified it by name. In fact, the testimony recorded by the historian quoted by Honegger, was manipulated. That helicopter was identified as a blue and white Huey, which is practically a kid's toy. You can imagine it with a smiley face on the front. There is no way this chopper was an unarmed Huey, no matter what any official report says.

    They tried hard to suppress its existence and its role in the military black operation. But the perps were unable to extinguish every source of evidence identifying it.

    The helicopter was a Marines Sikorsky CH-53 Super Stallion. These things are massive. 90 feet long, 22,500 horsepower, 30 ton payload, fitted with 3 machine guns and obviously can be rigged with whatever else would be required to help pull off the Copperfield Pentagon illusion. Such as mortar weaponry and a bellyful of 'debris' amounting to something that appeared to be the left wing of a plane, loaded with jet fuel ... preferably skinned in white composition, for lightness, such as was displayed by Penny Elgas and Aziz ElHallou.

    The presence of Marines CH-53s there at the Pentagon would have been commonplace. People expect military helicopters to fly near the Pentagon's Helipad. Onlookers would not think twice about it being there. It was obviously "one of ours" so would never be suspected of inflicting carnage on its own building and occupants. It would only be perceived as performing a protective role, not a hostile military attack on home ground.

    This helicopter was captured on many FOIA-release videos and 2 excellent photos. It was definitely there at the time, no matter what the radar data or any "official" testimony claims.

    The presence of this CH-53 explains many perplexing eye witness details, plus the debris field and fire on the Helipad. It explains the white composition fragments which never belonged to any aluminium 757 jet.

    It explains the several early (soon suppressed) eye witness testimonies about a plane hitting a helicopter on the Helipad, and about a helicopter 'exploding'.
    It explains how Lloyde England's cab was speared by a 12-foot x 4-inch pole when he was north of the Columbia Pike exit sign.
    It explains how a 757 engine-shaped scoop could have been cut out of the top of that tree on the bridge near Pole #1. A machine gun would do that very neatly.

    The CH-53's capabilities make the apparently impossible, not just possible, but accomplished fact.

    As for a helicopter 'chasing' the 757 away from the Pentagon, well how could that be? The jet flies 4 times faster than the chopper. That is less credible than the C-130 'shadowing' the jet pre-impact. But it was filmed and photographed flying away a few minutes post impact, for sure. It also circled around and came back again. Actually, the CH-53 photographed landing on the cloverleaf later, was probably a different one. The Marines have many of them.

    Anyway, I believe this line of investigation is the only one in all these years, which leads inexorably to the truth. The North-of-Citgo witness testimony is good, but obviously without this helicopter evidence, it never could progress to a valid conclusion. The NOC evidence gives a direction but not a mechanism enabling the solution.

    Regards,
    Ruby
    Posted 3 Jun 2019 at 20:31 PM by Ruby Gray Ruby Gray is offline
 

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