The Conspicuous Absence of Jewelry in the WTC rubble pile

~~lynx_land~~ · 7 Sep 2010 , 17:34 PM

The Conspicuous Absence of Jewelry in the WTC rubble pile by: Lynx_Land

One thing that just came to me while pondering my Omega (i'm a watch collector), but also the fate of the only person from my country to die on 9/11, was the absence, along with everything else, of jewelry in the rubble pile and on the streets of Manhattan.

First of all, no one from my country died in the World Trade Center. The were people that supposedly worked there but they all escaped apparently. But we did have someone who supposedly died aboard flight 93. He had been living in the states for 12 years so was essentially an American citizen, but I remember his wife giving an interview saying they recovered her husbands wedding ring from near the cockpit of the plane (that famous story), feeding the theory that the heroes had got near or actually in the cockpit of that doomed flight. From memory the NZ'er to die was Allan Bevan I believe.

But anyway, just to surmise;

Every woman pretty much who supposedly died in the World Trade Center would have been wearing at least two earrings. Many of them would be wearing gold earrings to boot.

Lots of the women would have been wearing gold bracelets, necklaces, various other kinds of silver or gold rings. Men also would be wearing many Sterling Silver and even Solid Gold identity bracelets or engraved Jewelery, many people are given these as wedding presents and the like.

A substantial number of the victims in the trade center would have been wearing a wedding ring (or band as the Americans call it). Almost invariably, these are gold. Given the median age of the office workers who were supposedly there it would not be unrealistic to assume a good percentage would have been married.

Watches. I realize that not everyone wears a watch, but of the corporate office type worker who wears watches, mostly are the Stainless Steel or Titanium variety (go well with the suit and tie). Very hard to destroy. You would see plenty of Rolexs/Omegas/Breitlings i'd imagine. Hundreds at least of stainless steel watch bands. Furthermore, I guarantee if 343 firemen were in there, at least half of them would be wearing a G shock watch (these are very popular with firefighters). These things are very tough to destroy. Many are also made from Titanium or Stainless Steel. Of the over 100 NYPD policeman who supposedly died, most would be wearing a watch. Finally, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect gold or silver watches would be worn by many in the Trade Center.

Still on the watches, many of the high end watches, even if they are Stainless Steel, have gold in the watch movement. Very small, but if these are in lots of watches they should be there, in the bucket brigades debris pile.

If 150 or so Policeman died in the WTC, you should have what, 300 Handcuffs in the rubble pile

. Not conventional Jewelry, but Jewelry of the Convicts kind.

Add to that, 150 Police Batons. Id imagine those are pretty tough to destroy.

But back to the Jewelry, the earring estimates are conservative, because many women have multiple piercing in there ears these days. Also Naval piercings, Nipple Piercings (and some more unsavory areas!). Most of them might be the cheap variety, but im sure there would be plenty of sterling silver and gold ones. Toe rings, anklets, name-tags, the works.

Finally, how many of those bobby hair pins would have been in there? Hair clips, fancy things women wear in there hair, lord knows there are dozens of those things in just one woman's hair sometimes. On the office contents, if there were 70 000 staplers, there must have been about 70 million Staples.

Was ANY trace of any of these things found? I guess not, but if all those stainless steel elevator doors weren't found, most of this stuff wouldn't have a chance.

BUT, that stuff could have been removed ahead of time.

The absence of this stuff is much more proof that the Victims may not have been there at all.

If the Mods feel this thread should be merged into the hollow towers thread feel free. But I thought this topic deserved a thread of its own.

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**clive** · 7 Sep 2010 , 17:41 PM

Several hands or fingers were miracously found with rings still attached.

Sort of like the Maradonna of Soccer fame - THE HAND OF GOD

This is another problem like the missing furniture etc.

No answers just lots of questions.

Regards Clive

~~lynx_land~~ · 7 Sep 2010 , 18:02 PM

One thing I also forgot was all the keys.

If there were x thousand filing cabinets, there was x thousand filing cabinet keys.

All the car keys, house keys, keyrings. Gym locker keys. Many peoples keyrings have dozzens of keys on them, keys to every lock they have ever come into contact in their whole life for many people

. You would have possible 100 000 keys.

No need to guess what these keys are made out of.

In regard to the copy machines, I mean looking at the one in this office there must be at least 20 screws in it. Thats one machine.

If someone compiled a list of all the metalic or steel things in that building, in all the electronics, personal effects it would be mind boggling.

Phil Jayhan · 7 Sep 2010 , 18:29 PM

Lynx,

This was an excellent idea for a new thread topic! And a great first post! I hadn't even thought of the Jewelry and keys, but you can bet your bottom dollar I will be speaking about those issues in upcoming broadcasts of "The Last American."

Thanks,
Phil

**kawika** · 7 Sep 2010 , 18:42 PM

Do we know if any dog tags were found at any location? They are very durable. They should have found some of these.

**Slipgrid** · 7 Sep 2010 , 19:44 PM

Quote:

The absence of this stuff is much more proof that the Victims may not have been there at all.

Wouldn't of this stuff just have melted? I mean, the pile was still burning in mid December.

It seems that explosives explain all of this, and it's hard to have the collapse and melted steel without explosives.

All the concrete in the building was pulverized to a powder. This would happen to wooden or plastic chairs.

Wire, rubber, and metal melted.

The theory that Flight 77 was empty seems very reasonable. The other flights too.

And, the idea that there were not as many people in the tower may also prove to be reasonable; yet, there is no evidence that these items are missing. There is much evidence that if they existed, they were melted, burned, and pulverized. That is, if there was wire in the building, we would expect it to be pulverized and melted.

Phil Jayhan · 7 Sep 2010 , 20:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slipgrid

Wouldn't of this stuff just have melted? I mean, the pile was still burning in mid December.

It seems that explosives explain all of this, and it's hard to have the collapse and melted steel without explosives.

All the concrete in the building was pulverized to a powder. This would happen to wooden or plastic chairs.

Wire, rubber, and metal melted.

The theory that Flight 77 was empty seems very reasonable. The other flights too.

And, the idea that there were not as many people in the tower may also prove to be reasonable; yet, there is no evidence that these items are missing. There is much evidence that if they existed, they were melted, burned, and pulverized. That is, if there was wire in the building, we would expect it to be pulverized and melted.

While there was hot spots of fire under areas of the debris pile, it must be remembered that the debris pile spanned roughly 45 acres. The world trade Center was 16 acres and if you include the entire debris zone, it went out for several blocks in each direction. Roughly 45 acres. And while there were "hot spots" in the debris pile, those were localized to small sections under 1-2-7.

And if there was enough force and lateral thrust at WTC to throw 30 ton beams 700 feet, how far do you think a watch might go? Or how about a shoe? And we can see the areas burning in the debris pile if we watch the old TV archives. There was not a thick heavy black soot smoke. From what I remember it was mostly white to tan smoke. And by no means did it rage out of control.

Besides the jewelry, don't forget the items listed below, and also don't forget that this is a partial list below.

45,000 desks
45,000 chairs
245 Acres of Carpeting
40,000 File Cabinets
40,000 Cubicles
75,000 Telephones
50,000 Staplers
20,000 miles of wiring
300 Mainframe computers
45,000 Computer monitors
45,000 Keyboards
45,000 mice/computer aid
650 Fire Extinguishers
3000 Copy Machines
2000 Water Coolers
3000 Printers
20,000 doors
40,000 door knobs
450 Refrigerators
5000 Snack and Soda vending machines
3000 Wallets & purses
3000 Employee ID cards (Required after 1993 bombing)
3000 Employee personal cell phones
3000 Employee's
6000 Employee shoes
347 Fireman's coats
694 Fireman's boots
347 Fireman's hard hats
347 Fireman
3 large titanium Boeing engines

We must also consider some other things which will seem obvious only after noticing them the first time. How many decapitated heads were found rolling in the streets or impaled in peoples sunroofs or windshields? The answer is zero.

How many hands and feet? How many pairs of glasses were found?

So there was enough ejection lateral force to thrust 30 ton beams 700 feet, yet no people were thrown 700 feet away? 900 feet away? And I'm not talking about the stupid bone shards they find here and there and publish in the papers to prove years later the idea of real people. Where are the people who were ejected from WTC and thrust into neighboring buildings windows?

There are lots of things which are obviously absent from the WTC debris area, but some only obvious once you ask the right questions. We were all watching day after day on TV and they only pulled a few bodies out of WTC. We can go back to the TV archives if we need to refresh our memory.

The 1300 people trapped above the 91st @ the North Tower would have and should have been on top of the debris pile. And many of their bodies should have been ripped to pieces with their appendages, heads, hands, feet, legs being thrust hundreds of feet as were the beams around them.

Those 1300 people were ON TOP of the falling mass, and thus people cannot claim they too were pulverized to dust. (A ridiculous explanation for any contents of the WTC except perhaps drywall/gypsum board)

But yes, where are the earrings? and watches? There should be roughly 3000 watches scattered amongst all the debris. And as many gold or silver rings. There should have been necklaces found everywhere. And broaches.

Eyeglasses and belts. 6000 pairs of shoes. Leather like human flesh is nearly indestructible. 3000 cell phones should have been found and many of them should have been heard ringing in the debris pile immediately after the collapse and for along time after. Every one of those cell phones would be ringing madly.

There should have also been roughly 2800 dollars in change and coin found in the debris pile, as well as about 50 dollar per person. And don't forget how many thousands of credit cards would have been all over the place.

But the jewelry angle is a good one which I hadn't even considered. That's why is so great to work together on this stuff as a group.

Cheers-
Phil

**Slipgrid** · 7 Sep 2010 , 20:46 PM

Quote:

So there was enough ejection lateral force to thrust 30 ton beams 700 feet

I'd expect that energy to destroy anything. There was a cloud of dust and ash that could be seen from space. There was a few inches to a foot of dust all over Manhattan.

I'd expect the stuff you are looking for are in this picture:

Spoiler:

I haven't looked at the process they went through to ID debris, but I expect they were trashing stuff as fast as they could. Most of the dust likely went away with the rain. They found bone fragments just a few months ago.

I love the research on the victims, and I've always thought that the towers were near empty and that's part of the motive to distory them. But, I find the lack of these items to be evidence of explosives as opposed to the tower being empty.

I believe it's good and interesting work; I'm just not yet sold on it.

**clive** · 7 Sep 2010 , 21:47 PM

GOLD NUGGET FOUND IN FIRE PLACE This just happened in an Australian town. Apparently it was stashed behind the chimney years ago. The reason will probably never be known but if there has been many fires in this fireplace - one would think that in the winter months it was probably going constantly - then the separate items would have slowly melted and melded together to form this nugget.
Therefore one would assume that gold would have been found either as a melted piece or whole in the rubble. Diamonds should have remained as a piece if my history of diamonds being made out of carbon is correct.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...06/3004154.htm

(Diamonds can be destroyed if the temperature is over 1400 so perhaps there won't be any found in the rubble -mostly due to structural failure and the heat was so intense)

Phil Jayhan · 7 Sep 2010 , 22:05 PM

For 9 years I have heard most people call this a pyroclastic cloud. It is nothing of the sort. This is nothing more then a giant cloud of shit. It is not an all consuming ash cloud. It is not even ash. It is mostly cement dust. And once you realize and believe that the towers were hollow in large sections, and missing most of their floors, you will scratch your head and ask yourself once again where the hell all of this cement debris came from. And it isn't because of a cement core, which I do not believe existed.

The answer where all this cement debris dust came from is ironic. It will dawn on you if you give it some thought.

I'll give you a hint. It didn't come from the floors. As most of those were gone. And I doubt it came from the ceiling tiles as those were mostly missing too.

cheers-
phil

7 Sep 2010 , 17:41 PM	#2
clive Moderator Join Date: 3 Jul 2010 Location: Down Under Land Posts: 1,685 Threads: 119 Blog Entries: 123 Thanked 3,349 Times in 1,281 Posts	The conspicuous absence of jeewellery in the WTC rubble pile Several hands or fingers were miracously found with rings still attached. Sort of like the Maradonna of Soccer fame - THE HAND OF GOD This is another problem like the missing furniture etc. No answers just lots of questions. Regards Clive

7 Sep 2010 , 18:29 PM	#4
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Lynx, This was an excellent idea for a new thread topic! And a great first post! I hadn't even thought of the Jewelry and keys, but you can bet your bottom dollar I will be speaking about those issues in upcoming broadcasts of "The Last American." Thanks, Phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

7 Sep 2010 , 18:42 PM	#5
kawika Moderator Join Date: 10 Feb 2006 Location: homeontherange Posts: 334 Threads: 114 Thanked 325 Times in 125 Posts	DOG TAGS Do we know if any dog tags were found at any location? They are very durable. They should have found some of these. __________________ LIFE! LIBERTY! PROPERTY!

7 Sep 2010 , 21:47 PM	#9
clive Moderator Join Date: 3 Jul 2010 Location: Down Under Land Posts: 1,685 Threads: 119 Blog Entries: 123 Thanked 3,349 Times in 1,281 Posts	The Conspicuous Absence of Jewellery GOLD NUGGET FOUND IN FIRE PLACE This just happened in an Australian town. Apparently it was stashed behind the chimney years ago. The reason will probably never be known but if there has been many fires in this fireplace - one would think that in the winter months it was probably going constantly - then the separate items would have slowly melted and melded together to form this nugget. Therefore one would assume that gold would have been found either as a melted piece or whole in the rubble. Diamonds should have remained as a piece if my history of diamonds being made out of carbon is correct. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...06/3004154.htm (Diamonds can be destroyed if the temperature is over 1400 so perhaps there won't be any found in the rubble -mostly due to structural failure and the heat was so intense) Last edited by clive; 8 Sep 2010 at 16:23 PM. Reason: Regards Clive plus a typo SORRY ADDING TITLE

7 Sep 2010 , 22:05 PM	#10
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	For 9 years I have heard most people call this a pyroclastic cloud. It is nothing of the sort. This is nothing more then a giant cloud of shit. It is not an all consuming ash cloud. It is not even ash. It is mostly cement dust. And once you realize and believe that the towers were hollow in large sections, and missing most of their floors, you will scratch your head and ask yourself once again where the hell all of this cement debris came from. And it isn't because of a cement core, which I do not believe existed. The answer where all this cement debris dust came from is ironic. It will dawn on you if you give it some thought. I'll give you a hint. It didn't come from the floors. As most of those were gone. And I doubt it came from the ceiling tiles as those were mostly missing too. cheers- phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

7 Sep 2010 , 18:02 PM	#3
~~lynx_land~~ Join Date: 27 Sep 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 506 Threads: 129 Thanked 618 Times in 160 Posts	One thing I also forgot was all the keys. If there were x thousand filing cabinets, there was x thousand filing cabinet keys. All the car keys, house keys, keyrings. Gym locker keys. Many peoples keyrings have dozzens of keys on them, keys to every lock they have ever come into contact in their whole life for many people . You would have possible 100 000 keys. No need to guess what these keys are made out of. In regard to the copy machines, I mean looking at the one in this office there must be at least 20 screws in it. Thats one machine. If someone compiled a list of all the metalic or steel things in that building, in all the electronics, personal effects it would be mind boggling.