David Angell and Lynn Angell

FiremanSam · 19 Oct 2010 , 04:20 AM

On the suggestion of other forum members I've created this new thread on the subject of David L. Angell and his wife, Lynn E. Angell. You can find a lot of information, and hitherto unseen pictures of this pair, on my blog: http://firemansams.blogspot.com/ and I invite your comments and suggestions for further research.

I will try and post on my blog AND this forum in future, although I just don't have the time to copy across my existing blog posts right now.

Fireman Sam.

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FiremanSam · 21 Oct 2010 , 03:37 AM

I came across this little gem yesterday on the official website of the Stephen Rollins film American Identity. Rollins dedicates his film to David and Lynn Angell and claims to have been very good friends with the couple, so much so that the couple apparently called him on the evening of September 10th 2001 to wish him Happy Birthday. And where, you might ask, was Mr Rollins celebrating his birthday? Well, it just so happens that his 'surprise birthday party' was held in the 'Windows of the World' complex atop the World Trade Center!

This is what the film's website has to say on the matter:

“On September 10th, 2001, while in New York working on a film, “American Identity” writer/producer/director Stephen Rollins was given a surprise birthday dinner by friends at the elegant ‘Windows of the World’ restaurant atop the World Trade Center. Emmy award winner David Angell and his wife Lynn, friends of Stephen’s, called to wish him ‘Happy Birthday’ from Boston, where they were visiting David’s ill mother.”

There's a major problem with this story: David couldn't possibly have been visiting his sick mother on this date because his mother, Mae Angell, died thirty-one years earlier in August 1970. Nor could the couple be visiting David's sick father, Henry Angell, who died in August 1973. The only surviving parent at the time was Lynn's mother, who lived in Birmingham, Alabama. This being the case, what is Stephen Rollins playing at here?

I'd be inclined to view Mr Rollins' tale as a pathetic attempt to gain a little extra publicity for his horrid propaganda piece, were it not for the fact that the story itself has so much propaganda value. His account 'adds value' to the official version of events because it places David and Lynn Angell in Boston on 10th September 2001. In so doing it supports the claim that David and Lynn were passengers on American Airlines Flight 11, which allegedly flew out of Boston the very next day. It also tugs at our heart strings by making us dwell on the terrible irony of the couple calling the WTC only a dozen hours before they allegedly met their fate there. To hell with facts, what a tragedy!

In the interests of strict fairness, however, it's possible that Rollins did receive a phone call, but that this was a phone call of the “Hi mum, it's Mark Bingham!” variety. We know that all sorts of people received, or claimed to have received, all sorts of highly implausible calls from loved ones on September 11th. That said, Rollins' case requires us to believe that he simply didn't know that the parents of his good friend David Angell had been dead for twenty years. It's difficult, though not impossible, to believe this. Either way, we're left with just two possible scenarios, although the end result is the same in both cases:

1. That Rollins quite deliberately manufactured this story in order to lend credence to the official 9/11 storyline, both in general terms and in terms of how it applies to Lynn and David Angell.

2. That Rollins was duped by a phony phone call and thereby 'primed' by persons unknown in the hope that he would go public with the details and help bolster the official version of events.

Your preference for one scenario over the other might be swayed by the following, which is also taken from the American Identities website:

“The next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the building where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.”

Before closing, it's worth noting that Rollins' account adds to the confusion over what exactly David and Lynn were supposedly doing in the Boston area at this time. The Angell Foundation's narrative refers to David and Lynn travelling to Cape Cod to host a family wedding at their home and does not mention a visit to Boston or a sick parent. Moreover, the Foundation's story conflicts with a third party account, which informs us that the couple travelled to Cape Cod in order to watch the final stages of construction of their home. Another third party account tells us that the pair had spent the entire summer holidaying on Cape Cod before hosting the wedding at their home, which may or may not have been under construction at the time...

Fireman Sam

**Sandero** · 21 Oct 2010 , 08:47 AM

hahaha... I skimmed through the blog... Looks like these are professional grifters. People are incredible when it comes to scamming for bucks. Most people, I suppose get away with their criminality and that's why the saying "crime pays" has currency.

Osmosis1 · 21 Oct 2010 , 10:57 AM

T“The next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the building where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.”

This fairy tale smells worse than last week's fish........We are to believe that he stood in amazement, watched in horror, worked as a volunteer and learned the awful news all in one day??? I guess he also drove one of the dump trucks the next day........ Who writes this stuff.....oh yeah, Angell was a comedy writer!

TTThe next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the TheTkkdkdkd next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the building where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.uilding where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.

Phil Jayhan · 21 Oct 2010 , 11:27 AM

This is very good stuff Sam! I have long wondered about cracking the Angell case. You have done some outstanding research! Thanks for sharing!

cheers-
phil

**do2read** · 21 Oct 2010 , 23:28 PM

Excellent stuff Sam!

This story, like so many others, is chock full of hooey, laid on thicker than a B movie plot.

Thanks for digging Sam, keep up the good work. Flight 11 must have been sreiously overloaded carrying all that Happy Horse Shit.

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FiremanSam · 25 Oct 2010 , 05:45 AM

My new blog post is pretty large. I've just spent an hour and a half posting it on blogspot.com so I'm not going to repost it here. The link to this new post is http://firemansams.blogspot.com/2010...and-up_25.html

Briefly, I've found footage of Angell at the 1984 Emmy Awards. So, he WAS a real person. What I'm doing in this post is comparing the video footage with The Angell Foundation's image of David from the same award show. And there are plenty of discrepancies...

Fireman Sam

p.s. thanks to everyone for their support. I'd add "Thank You" to your posts if only I could find the button or menu option for this feature! Can someone point me in the right direction?

Osmosis1 · 25 Oct 2010 , 08:49 AM

No need to thank us FS........its you that has done a Stellar job - I just read your new blog entry - very thought provoking! Will read it again later today. Looking forward to more from you on this!

Great work!

Osmosis1 · 25 Oct 2010 , 18:30 PM

Sam, somewhere I read that the script from one of the Frasier episodes included reference to Flight 11 - have you seen that? If so, is there a way to determine the date of the episode and the context of the reference?

**clive** · 25 Oct 2010 , 18:34 PM

YouTube - Frasier Odd Man Out Season 4 Episode 24

Hopefully I've posted the right one. If not enjoy this anyway!

Regards Clive

21 Oct 2010 , 03:37 AM	#2
FiremanSam Privileged Join Date: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 56 Threads: 1 Thanked 240 Times in 55 Posts	David Angell: Another Impossible 9/11 Phone Call? I came across this little gem yesterday on the official website of the Stephen Rollins film American Identity. Rollins dedicates his film to David and Lynn Angell and claims to have been very good friends with the couple, so much so that the couple apparently called him on the evening of September 10th 2001 to wish him Happy Birthday. And where, you might ask, was Mr Rollins celebrating his birthday? Well, it just so happens that his 'surprise birthday party' was held in the 'Windows of the World' complex atop the World Trade Center! This is what the film's website has to say on the matter: “On September 10th, 2001, while in New York working on a film, “American Identity” writer/producer/director Stephen Rollins was given a surprise birthday dinner by friends at the elegant ‘Windows of the World’ restaurant atop the World Trade Center. Emmy award winner David Angell and his wife Lynn, friends of Stephen’s, called to wish him ‘Happy Birthday’ from Boston, where they were visiting David’s ill mother.” There's a major problem with this story: David couldn't possibly have been visiting his sick mother on this date because his mother, Mae Angell, died thirty-one years earlier in August 1970. Nor could the couple be visiting David's sick father, Henry Angell, who died in August 1973. The only surviving parent at the time was Lynn's mother, who lived in Birmingham, Alabama. This being the case, what is Stephen Rollins playing at here? I'd be inclined to view Mr Rollins' tale as a pathetic attempt to gain a little extra publicity for his horrid propaganda piece, were it not for the fact that the story itself has so much propaganda value. His account 'adds value' to the official version of events because it places David and Lynn Angell in Boston on 10th September 2001. In so doing it supports the claim that David and Lynn were passengers on American Airlines Flight 11, which allegedly flew out of Boston the very next day. It also tugs at our heart strings by making us dwell on the terrible irony of the couple calling the WTC only a dozen hours before they allegedly met their fate there. To hell with facts, what a tragedy! In the interests of strict fairness, however, it's possible that Rollins did receive a phone call, but that this was a phone call of the “Hi mum, it's Mark Bingham!” variety. We know that all sorts of people received, or claimed to have received, all sorts of highly implausible calls from loved ones on September 11th. That said, Rollins' case requires us to believe that he simply didn't know that the parents of his good friend David Angell had been dead for twenty years. It's difficult, though not impossible, to believe this. Either way, we're left with just two possible scenarios, although the end result is the same in both cases: 1. That Rollins quite deliberately manufactured this story in order to lend credence to the official 9/11 storyline, both in general terms and in terms of how it applies to Lynn and David Angell. 2. That Rollins was duped by a phony phone call and thereby 'primed' by persons unknown in the hope that he would go public with the details and help bolster the official version of events. Your preference for one scenario over the other might be swayed by the following, which is also taken from the American Identities website: “The next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the building where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.” Before closing, it's worth noting that Rollins' account adds to the confusion over what exactly David and Lynn were supposedly doing in the Boston area at this time. The Angell Foundation's narrative refers to David and Lynn travelling to Cape Cod to host a family wedding at their home and does not mention a visit to Boston or a sick parent. Moreover, the Foundation's story conflicts with a third party account, which informs us that the couple travelled to Cape Cod in order to watch the final stages of construction of their home. Another third party account tells us that the pair had spent the entire summer holidaying on Cape Cod before hosting the wedding at their home, which may or may not have been under construction at the time... Fireman Sam Last edited by FiremanSam; 21 Oct 2010 at 06:03 AM. Reason: changed 'twenty-one years earlier' to 'thirty-one years earlier'

21 Oct 2010 , 08:47 AM	#3
Sandero Thinker Join Date: 20 Oct 2010 Location: nyc Posts: 243 Threads: 0 Thanked 311 Times in 139 Posts	Re: David Angell and Lynn Angell hahaha... I skimmed through the blog... Looks like these are professional grifters. People are incredible when it comes to scamming for bucks. Most people, I suppose get away with their criminality and that's why the saying "crime pays" has currency.

21 Oct 2010 , 10:57 AM	#4
Osmosis1 Privileged Join Date: 21 Aug 2010 Posts: 176 Threads: 0 Thanked 381 Times in 127 Posts	Re: David Angell and Lynn Angell T“The next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the building where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.” This fairy tale smells worse than last week's fish........We are to believe that he stood in amazement, watched in horror, worked as a volunteer and learned the awful news all in one day??? I guess he also drove one of the dump trucks the next day........ Who writes this stuff.....oh yeah, Angell was a comedy writer! TTThe next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the TheTkkdkdkd next morning, Stephen would stand in amazement near the smoking hole in the building where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell.uilding where he just celebrated his birthday hours before, and watch in horror as a second plane struck WTC Tower 2. While working as a volunteer at the rubble that evening, he learned the awful news that his friends the Angell’s were on that flight, American Airlines Flight #11. American Identity is dedicated to the memory of David and Lynn Angell. Last edited by Osmosis1; 21 Oct 2010 at 11:26 AM. Reason: added comment

21 Oct 2010 , 11:27 AM	#5
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Re: David Angell and Lynn Angell This is very good stuff Sam! I have long wondered about cracking the Angell case. You have done some outstanding research! Thanks for sharing! cheers- phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

21 Oct 2010 , 23:28 PM	#6
do2read Moderator Join Date: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,912 Threads: 92 Thanked 4,769 Times in 1,315 Posts	Re: David Angell and Lynn Angell Excellent stuff Sam! This story, like so many others, is chock full of hooey, laid on thicker than a B movie plot. Thanks for digging Sam, keep up the good work. Flight 11 must have been sreiously overloaded carrying all that Happy Horse Shit. l __________________ "Don't worry about it - Americans don't read." Allan Dulles ...

25 Oct 2010 , 05:45 AM	#7
FiremanSam Privileged Join Date: 18 Oct 2010 Posts: 56 Threads: 1 Thanked 240 Times in 55 Posts	David Angell at the 1984 Emmy Awards My new blog post is pretty large. I've just spent an hour and a half posting it on blogspot.com so I'm not going to repost it here. The link to this new post is http://firemansams.blogspot.com/2010...and-up_25.html Briefly, I've found footage of Angell at the 1984 Emmy Awards. So, he WAS a real person. What I'm doing in this post is comparing the video footage with The Angell Foundation's image of David from the same award show. And there are plenty of discrepancies... Fireman Sam p.s. thanks to everyone for their support. I'd add "Thank You" to your posts if only I could find the button or menu option for this feature! Can someone point me in the right direction?

25 Oct 2010 , 08:49 AM	#8
Osmosis1 Privileged Join Date: 21 Aug 2010 Posts: 176 Threads: 0 Thanked 381 Times in 127 Posts	Re: David Angell and Lynn Angell No need to thank us FS........its you that has done a Stellar job - I just read your new blog entry - very thought provoking! Will read it again later today. Looking forward to more from you on this! Great work!

25 Oct 2010 , 18:30 PM	#9
Osmosis1 Privileged Join Date: 21 Aug 2010 Posts: 176 Threads: 0 Thanked 381 Times in 127 Posts	Re: David Angell and Lynn Angell Sam, somewhere I read that the script from one of the Frasier episodes included reference to Flight 11 - have you seen that? If so, is there a way to determine the date of the episode and the context of the reference?