Debate Stemming From "Caution Re: Jesuit Exposes" - Page 13

SBG · 29 Nov 2007 , 18:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmar1965

Chihuaua,

Now the semantics have been discussed, how about you actually answer the questions I posed to you, rather than use the diversionary tactics you have been?

You make the extraordinary claim, so where is the evidence, other than the bible that "jc" EVER LIVED as a walking, talking, wooden-object making etc etc etc human "morph" of the "god" of Judaism?

Also, which versions of the bible are your chosen "TRUTH"? NIV? KJV? Which one?

THAT goes for Phil and Trueblue as well. Also TB, still waiting on your "take" on the Jung quotes you selected.

You quoting thise sentences out of context is just as bad as church heirachy pulling selected verses contextually out of sync, out of their butts to make some lame point, which has in the main ZIP to do with the entire context.

Perhaps, as you quite obviously have NO CLUE as to what was meant BY them, you could perhaps explain WHY you produced them?

The way I see it, ANYONE choosing to stick their head into a debate, should cover the content and answer Q's asked. I HAVE DONE THAT, but it seems no one else has. Debate is supposed to be Point made, rebuttle to point made, and not diversion of point or avoidance OF point, then other tangents off again, to take it even further off track.

The quote I posted earlier, actuallly SHOWS the reality. "Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits

**stannrodd** · 29 Nov 2007 , 18:59 PM

LHChihuahua77,

If you cannot respond rationally please refrain from posting.

The emoticon you have posted is bordering on abusive.

Stann

SBG · 29 Nov 2007 , 19:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stannrodd

LHChihuahua77,

If you cannot respond rationally please refrain from posting.

The emoticon you have posted is bordering on abusive.

Stann

Phil Jayhan · 29 Nov 2007 , 20:18 PM

I have temporarily locked down this thread. And will open it again soon as soon as I talk to the parties involved. I apologize if this pisses anyone off, and am really sorry. It seems emotions have run too deep on some issues in this thread.

I will open it again soon, and apologize for any inconvenience after I speak with some of the people posting here.

cheers-
phil

Phil Jayhan · 2 Dec 2007 , 04:45 AM

Unlocked. Everyone please follow good manners and basic common sense when posting here. State things as your opinion, and when saying something you think overthrows the others faith or philosophy, provide the reason for YOUR beliefs in why it does so. i.e provide links to your own evidence, proofs, etc... This goes for EVERYONE who wishes to become involved in this discussion/debate.

cheers-
phil

**cmar1965** · 2 Dec 2007 , 07:09 AM

Thank you Phil. I do look forward to answers to the questions posed.;)

SBG · 2 Dec 2007 , 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cmar1965

Thank you Phil. I do look forward to answers to the questions posed.;)

If not to much of a hassle, would you be able to put all of your questions on a single post? in a format that will keep things clear& clean. Kinda like a:
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If not I understand it seems as tho it would clean up the debate a tad. :>)

**cmar1965** · 2 Dec 2007 , 17:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LHChihuahua77

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmar1965

Thank you Phil. I do look forward to answers to the questions posed.;)

If not to much of a hassle, would you be able to put all of your questions on a single post? in a format that will keep things clear& clean. Kinda like a:
1.
2.
3.

If not I understand it seems as tho it would clean up the debate a tad. :>)

Easy peasy.

1.You make the extraordinary claim, so where is the evidence, other than the bible, and latter writings pertaining TO bible only reference, that "jc" EVER LIVED as a walking, talking, wooden-object making etc etc etc human "morph" of the "god" of Judaism?

2. Which versions of the bible are your chosen "WORD OF god"? NIV? KJV? Which one?

3. Why do you determine THAT version to be the RIGHT one?

4.. As you appear to be big on the "truth" angle (hence pipping in, in the first place), please give definition of what you personally assume "truth" and also "absolute truth" to be? (if they are two different things to you, please define BOTH)

That should do for now...

Would you , Phil and Trueblue also like "lists" made?

cmar

**trueblue** · 2 Dec 2007 , 18:05 PM

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Would you , Phil and Trueblue also like "lists" made?

Nahhh! Don;t need no stinkin' lists! It looks to me like you are playing "cat and mouse" (or cat and little doggy

) with LHChihuahua77. Shame on you!!!

You might get simple answers to your simple questions, but not from me. All the questions you posed seem simple,but as I'm sure you know, are anything but!

For you to understand my faith, you would have to know everything I know, all my experiences and my thoughts concerning them. That is where my faith comes from, not from reading a book, or hearing some fanciful tale that captured my imagination.
In other words, my faith is anything but simple, and nowhere near as absolute as you seem to believe.

**cmar1965** · 2 Dec 2007 , 18:39 PM

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Originally Posted by trueblue

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Would you , Phil and Trueblue also like "lists" made?

Nahhh! Don;t need no stinkin' lists! It looks to me like you are playing "cat and mouse" (or cat and little doggy

) with LHChihuahua77. Shame on you!!!

You might get simple answers to your simple questions, but not from me. All the questions you posed seem simple,but as I'm sure you know, are anything but!

For you to understand my faith, you would have to know everything I know, all my experiences and my thoughts concerning them. That is where my faith comes from, not from reading a book, or hearing some fanciful tale that captured my imagination.
In other words, my faith is anything but simple, and nowhere near as absolute as you seem to believe.

Not necessarily playing cat and mouse, trueblue. If however people make claims of certain "truths" then it is plausible to expect where they are coming from and what determines their "truth".

You BTW still have not explained why you decided to crop certain jung quotes, in (for what?) effort to make some point! What POINT was it you were determing to make? YOU are the one who "put them out there" after all!

As to not knowing everything you claim to know. Certainly, I accept that, however considering your first myth for ...hmm... how many years???/then "truth" alleged revelation...it could ONLY have come from the taught concept, coupled with certain life experience (ie low ebb) TO decide to "believe",

All's good trueblue. I "get" you more than you realise!

29 Nov 2007 , 18:59 PM	#122
stannrodd Free Mind Join Date: 6 Sep 2004 Location: Aotearoa (New Zealand) Posts: 4,935 Threads: 251 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	LHChihuahua77, If you cannot respond rationally please refrain from posting. The emoticon you have posted is bordering on abusive. Stann __________________ It riles them to believe That you perceive The web they weave .. And keep on thinking free... Graeme Edge

29 Nov 2007 , 20:18 PM	#124
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 20,496 Threads: 2546 Blog Entries: 25 Thanked 703 Times in 398 Posts Images: 32	I have temporarily locked down this thread. And will open it again soon as soon as I talk to the parties involved. I apologize if this pisses anyone off, and am really sorry. It seems emotions have run too deep on some issues in this thread. I will open it again soon, and apologize for any inconvenience after I speak with some of the people posting here. cheers- phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan v666 Blog \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law" "In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

2 Dec 2007 , 04:45 AM	#125
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 20,496 Threads: 2546 Blog Entries: 25 Thanked 703 Times in 398 Posts Images: 32	Unlocked. Everyone please follow good manners and basic common sense when posting here. State things as your opinion, and when saying something you think overthrows the others faith or philosophy, provide the reason for YOUR beliefs in why it does so. i.e provide links to your own evidence, proofs, etc... This goes for EVERYONE who wishes to become involved in this discussion/debate. cheers- phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan v666 Blog \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law" "In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

2 Dec 2007 , 07:09 AM	#126
cmar1965 Thinker Join Date: 5 Oct 2007 Posts: 151 Threads: 14 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thank you Phil. I do look forward to answers to the questions posed.;)