Hi True,
No, I wasn't asking you to write a report on your faith here. (SIGH OF RELIEF? )
It was --um--rhetorical.
I just wanted to remind of what I figure you already know.

I am wanting to know about Jesuit infiltrators
etc...I have not read anything (anywhere) but well, theories--and I am a real greenhorn on this subject.
and was hoping for more susbstance: (non sex stuff) but like your mention of Pierre Teilhard deChardin.
Are you going to talk about that?

In what ways have Jesuits infiltrated? And like threads lead-in --???
Now, CMAR, if you wouldn't mind scewering this Jesuit subject with a few sharp swords?

I mean, yea, I have heard who the Jesuits were and that they infiltrated many churches. That's it. Can this be substantiated w/evidence (of substance?) or are we all in the kind of same boat here---wondering?

let us investigate

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"Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?"--Isaiah 49:24. Rally round next verse. Amen.

OK Scribe
I went back and re-read the first page of this thread (again!) and understand Brett and Phil's views. And agree and disagree with both of them. The point Phil made about their sexual highjinx being ceremonial in a sense is correct, and important. But Brett is correct in that it doesn't take us very far in understanding how the Jesuits have influenced major events for many centuries.
And there the thread basically stalled, and in fits and starts (I love that expression!) ended up here.

Although It was not my intention to get into the aspect of psychological control, I see now that this subject (almost as dense as the subject of the Jesuits) needs to be dealt with. It was the tireless work of the psychology missionaries that has paved the way for the criminals behind 911, and by extension,the globalists, to pull the wool over so many eyes. Because of the work of the psychologists, the average person no longer trusts his own mind (because our own brains are so unreliable, according to psychology) that we must trust authority figures, whose brains have been certified trustworthy by the psychologists. Thereby according that profession an almost mystical power and wisdom that automatically puts the "average" person into a subserviant position.
Anyone over the age of 50 can tell you what a joke these people were to virtually everybody. How did they overcome this problem of being a laughingstock? Well, Cmar explained it pretty well, when one stupid notion was rejected by the masses, another was tried, and another , till one was found that people would reluctantly buy into. After a long enough period of time,( a generation or so) it becomes accepted as natural (if not logical) and such is the way great lies become a truth.

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A LIE BELIEVED BY EVERYBODY IS NOT THE TRUTH

He/she says,

"Well, I drove all the way around the corner
and up the mountain
and under the highway
and along the woods
and over there
and I saw."



"But Brett is correct in that it doesn't take us very far in understanding how the Jesuits have influenced major events for many centuries."

This is like going to a movie and having to sit through an hour of previews

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"Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?"--Isaiah 49:24. Rally round next verse. Amen.

patience,Scribe

These are VERY important issues relative to ALL the issues discussed at Letsroll. Which is the only reason I would bother to argue with a "true believer" such as Cmar.
If you haven't done it yet, click on the box under any of Phil's posts with the BIG V666. There is some good background on the Jesuits there, and a lot more.

I have a close friend who you remind me of, who has taken YEARS of frustrated argument to drag him kicking and screaming into the light of truth. He assumed that a truth should be simple to lay out on the table, but had to learn the hard way, just how much dirt has been thrown over the truth to obscure it.

I have copies of an excellent BBC documentary titled "Century of The Self", which does a good job of showing in an entertaining way,how psychology was used to brainwash people into thinking that their material "wants' are 'needs". It focuses on the world of advertising and public relations, but can give a good idea of the methods developed and used by the scoundrels of this world to trick people into supporting their horrific and destructive world view.
It is not in a format useful for posting here, and too large to email, so I would recommend you do a little leg work yourself and look it up. It's about 4 hours long, but , is well done and entertaining.
Like Phil, I am incredibly busy right now, getting by on 4 or 5 hours of sleep, and not happy about that!! I don't have time to do others work for them.

And P.S> if you want the correct answer, you must ask the correct question. for instance, why ask me about deChardin? Are you expecting me to copy and paste whole books of his here? As long as you want easy answers, you're not going to learn anything.

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True Blue,
Your quote:
"I have a close friend who you remind me of, who has taken YEARS of frustrated argument to drag him kicking and screaming into the light of truth."

yea, you must be tired. Either that or you and CMAR are the same person arguing with yourselves in the mirror.

I will continue research elsewhere w/o your stupid assumptions.--(which was what I was doing on this thread in first place.)

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"Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?"--Isaiah 49:24. Rally round next verse. Amen.

Hmmm.

I wonder what assumption scribe was referring to?

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This thread was very interesting to watch and read through as it unfolded. Before continuing, I just want everyone here to know that we cannot allow this to happen in every thread at this Vatican Led New World Order forum. As this is really a debate which doesn't belong in here, but am going to leave it as an example and for others to read through.

Having said that, I do believe that TB has made some great points about Psychology. All things which I agree with in principle, and that I also learned a few more things from those posts of his that I hadn't thought of or reflected upon. Psychology is truly a secular religion. It is a belief system outside of one self that one reaches to for some sort of salvation, in most cases unless we are discussing scientology, temporal salvation from life's little trouble and mental anguish. It does have a set of do's and dont's. Even if not uniformly agreed upon, and it does have promises of mental salvation for those who adhere to its precepts. Thus in all truth, it is a religion. However it is a religion which excludes God, and tries to explain nearly all things from this God-Less world view or mindset. And whether or not one believes in the Bible as being Gods word, it is in nearly all cases hostile to the Bible. An observation I have long seen, and was strengthened in this thread.

In a looser sense, Psychology is to the adherent of it what the Bible is to the Christian. It provides answers, gives instructions for lifes Journey, and a promised end, which usually includes the 'Happy Hunting Grounds' for the obedient follower of Psychology. eg; Good people go to heaven, and Psychology makes people good if they follow it.

It is ironic and even sublimely humorous that all of people who follow Psychology along with their cherished beliefs end in the grave. And usually with some Priest waving a water sprinkling laver over their coffin while reading from the 23rd Psalm, in some Catholic church somewhere, which is another irony I cannot help but make. Thus all of their beliefs are for nought. For even in death their beliefs are buried, quite literally. Even their friends and family stomp on their beliefs and impose their own, in that persons death. It cannot get more ironic than that.

cheers-
phil

I really am not going to get into a debate on these issues, buts thats what I believe.

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"In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

It's even worse than that Phil.

Much like in the centuries of torture and murder by the Vatican, known as the Inquisition, these high priests are consulted in difficult criminal trials, to pronounce their opinion on the innocence or guilt of the accused. Because of a century of concerted brainwashing
( I know, that's not very politically correct!) the majority of Jurors, and the judge in particular, will believe this person has some special insight into the mind of the accused. When in fact, their bias will take them far beyond the evidence in the case, to pure opinion.
In this way, any person, whether guilty or innocent, can be sent to prison, or worse,an institution where they will be drugged, insulted, and if they object to this treatment, can experience electro-shock therapy (yes, these monsters still use this barbarious form of torture!)
And this, based on this persons beliefs, not the actual evidence! Dangerous? You bet!

Back when I was extensively researching this, I didn't know about the Jesuits. Now I'm curious enough to look into it again from that angle.The belief that these people know something the rest of us don't is so accepted, that most people don't know that it's all made up! Freud was a psychotic religion hater, and a dope fiend.His theories at this date are largely discredited. But the other founding father, Carl Jung, was an occultist who made his home in Switzerland, the most heavily infected Jesuit area of the world. It is there that I believe I will find a connection.
As far as I'm concerned, these people are monsters, so anyone reading this thread who thinks I was too hard on Cmar, should know that I was actually making nice.

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I always try and use soft and gentle words (But fail often) because I might have to eat them tomorrow. I do not think describing Cmar as a monster is really appropriate TB, as I have spoken to her and we had a nice conversation about just about everything except these issues; And then we had personality conflicts and thats about it. And I would fault myself, more than her, for those conflicts... We just disagree, and agreed to disagree. But please do not overlook the fact that regardless of her belief in what you or I might consider truth or scripture, that she is all aboard 911 full steam ahead, and that she is eager to learn as much about the Vatican as she can. Please keep these things in mind, as all of us, you me, Cmar and everyone else have all the time in front of us to learn these things and try and absorb as much of the truth as possible.

cheers-
phil

Talk to her on 911 Trueblue and you will find yourself most refreshed.

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"In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

I reckon this is where you are confusing things Trueblue. In my profession, and my stance ON my profession, I don't actually believe there IS such a thing as "truth" per se, there are always variables to take into account, hence negating any concept of an absolute truth, however any scientific analysis, theory or hypotheses is based on the higher percentage of INVARIABLES. The higher percentages of invariables SHOW the repetition, but the variables then show a different take.. I do have to say though, just from observation that you "fit" into the invariable "lot" as to your turn to christianity, quite obviously came from a personal "low-ebb"..it is blatantly obvious, but I digress. Religion does NOT allow for the variables at all. and if you are in the ...say..."christian" rut, you believe that jesus is your ONLY saviour, if you are a Buddhist, then Buddah is the ONLY way., if you are a muslim, then Mohammad is the bloke for you. You as a self-professed christian though, I can say with much certainty that you would not take into account the concepts of islam or buddhism, otherwise you would not specifically label yourself AS a christian. That is the fundamental which separates science from religion. Certainly, I am a psychologist, but I am not a Freudian, Jungist, Kattist...etc.. I am a psychologist which is a job, not a lifestyle. Is "christian" your profession Trueblue?