The Debunkers & Critics of the 911 Truth Movement

Phil Jayhan · 12 Feb 2008 , 20:54 PM

Original link:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/what...ment%22leaders

What has become of the "Truth Movement" leaders?

Contents

Main 9/11 Links Page “For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know.. it -- now.” Excerpt from Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death” speech, misquoted by Steven E. Jones in “Answers to Questions and Objections”

Conspiracists, the evidence is before you, as it has been for years. Arguments from incredulity will never bolster your claims. You have a choice to make. You can draw conclusions by rationally reviewing all the available evidence, or you can continue making baseless, irresponsible, cruel accusations.
Which will it be?

Won’t it feel good to once again show respect for the people who would enter the maw of hell to save you? Do they deserve anything less?

Consider this: if you were falsely accused of a serious crime, wouldn’t you insist that rumor, innuendo, and pandering to fear be rejected as evidence against you?

If so, then hold yourselves to that standard and reject the fear-mongering and falsehoods of Alex Jones, Les Jamieson, Loose Change, Steven Jones, and others who disdain standards of evidence, expertise, and rational thought.

These “Truth Movement” leaders have become what they say they are fighting against: people who lie for political reasons.

– Mark Roberts

FDNY Ten House, across Liberty Street from the World Trade Center

FDNY Fatalities 9/11/01

NYPD Fatalities 9/11/01

Below: Top 2 rows: Port Authority Police fatalities 9/11/01. Bottom rows: Port Authority civilian fatalities.

Neville Elder

Ground Zero, September 11, 2006
FDNY Counseling Services Unit http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/units/csu/index.shtml

Remembering the Victims: An Online Memorial

FAIR USE NOTICE: While this document consists of significant amounts of original content, in order to explore and advance understanding of the events surrounding 9/11, it has been necessary to reference some material that is copyrighted. Such use falls under the 'fair use' provisions set out in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. Equivalent provisions exist in EU law. Thus, in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information, specifically for research and educational purposes.

For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner

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**queglay** · 13 Jul 2008 , 07:47 AM

i dont get it, how are the makers of loose change liars?

itsmylife · 13 Jul 2008 , 08:41 AM

Its a statement made by Mark Roberts, a debunker, a common claim by debunkers to make those in the truth movement look bad - saying that by questioning 9/11 we are disrespecting those who gave their lives on 9/11 to save others...

**queglay** · 13 Jul 2008 , 10:26 AM

if thats all they've got - ridiculous.

**SureShot** · 13 Jul 2008 , 16:48 PM

Why exactly was this posted Phil?

PS - Roberts is a dick and has a huge ego, he once told this to a radio show host:

Quote:

It's possible that I know more about the events of 9/11 than anyone in the world.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/lett...neofairamerica

**hanuri** · 13 Jul 2008 , 17:23 PM

Consider this: if you were falsely accused of a serious crime, wouldn’t you insist that rumor, innuendo, and pandering to fear be rejected as evidence against you?

if so , would you do anything in your power to seek for the truth ? if B admin was innocent would they have done EVERYTHIN to see what happened , why and who did it? just to show for your own people you are not hiding /lying .....
sorry pal( this roberts genius) your admin HAS done the excact opposite . either they are even more stupid one can think or then they are not innocent .

**I_Gaze_At_The_Blue** · 19 Jul 2009 , 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsmylife

Its a statement made by Mark Roberts, a debunker, a common claim by debunkers to make those in the truth movement look bad - saying that by questioning 9/11 we are disrespecting those who gave their lives on 9/11 to save others...

The simple FACT is that ALL your conspiracy belief IS disrespectful, contemptuous and sacrilegious to their LOSSES ...

Despite difficult, and ardous conditions ... First Responders ... even off-duty and retired turned up for duty ... and coped with horror, shock, death, injury and equipment damage or failure to themselves to assist others.

They went through Hell that day ... yet still as a GROUP do not question the official versions of the collapse of the Towers ...

AND by "questioning" their experiences and testimony you ARE dishonouring them ...

Surely THEY as a body of witnesses and participants would have a HUGE and CREDIBLE voice to question the events of 9/11.

Yet they choose not to ... WHY ???

Perchance it is because there was NO CONSPIRACY !!!

THEY WERE THERE ... YOU WEREN'T ... !!!

SO WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO DISBELIEVE THEIR AUTHORITY ???

There are FULL and UNEDITED audio and video eye-witness accounts freely and easily accessable to all ...

So at the very LEAST do these brave men and women ... who willingly risked their own lives to assist others ... the HONOUR of letting their voices be heard FULLY ...

And not just rely on the heavily edited, out of context, mis-quoted examples of the proponents of conspiracy.

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/sec...p?sectionId=41

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/

**JFK** · 19 Jul 2009 , 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Gaze_At_The_Blue

The simple FACT is that ALL your conspiracy belief IS disrespectful, contemptuous and sacrilegious to their LOSSES ...

Despite difficult, and ardous conditions ... First Responders ... even off-duty and retired turned up for duty ... and coped with horror, shock, death, injury and equipment damage or failure to themselves to assist others.

They went through Hell that day ... yet still as a GROUP do not question the official versions of the collapse of the Towers ...

AND by "questioning" their experiences and testimony you ARE dishonouring them ...

Surely THEY as a body of witnesses and participants would have a HUGE and CREDIBLE voice to question the events of 9/11.

Yet they choose not to ... WHY ???

Perchance it is because there was NO CONSPIRACY !!!

THEY WERE THERE ... YOU WEREN'T ... !!!

SO WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO DISBELIEVE THEIR AUTHORITY ???

There are FULL and UNEDITED audio and video eye-witness accounts freely and easily accessable to all ...

So at the very LEAST do these brave men and women ... who willingly risked their own lives to assist others ... the HONOUR of letting their voices be heard FULLY ...

And not just rely on the heavily edited, out of context, mis-quoted examples of the proponents of conspiracy.

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/sec...p?sectionId=41

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/

I suggest YOU do some research on the Jersey Girls and exactly how the 9/11 commission report came to be.

Consider this a warning.

**2getherwestand** · 19 Jul 2009 , 18:16 PM

Try and convince the following organizations what kind of bullshit you are trying to push Blueguesser.http://mp911truth.org/

**2getherwestand** · 19 Jul 2009 , 18:16 PM

And this one!http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

12 Feb 2008 , 20:54 PM	#1
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 20,496 Threads: 2546 Blog Entries: 25 Thanked 703 Times in 398 Posts Images: 32	The Debunkers & Critics of the 911 Truth Movement Original link: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/what...ment%22leaders What has become of the "Truth Movement" leaders? Contents Main 9/11 Links Page “For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know.. it -- now.” Excerpt from Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death” speech, misquoted by Steven E. Jones in “Answers to Questions and Objections” Conspiracists, the evidence is before you, as it has been for years. Arguments from incredulity will never bolster your claims. You have a choice to make. You can draw conclusions by rationally reviewing all the available evidence, or you can continue making baseless, irresponsible, cruel accusations. Which will it be? Won’t it feel good to once again show respect for the people who would enter the maw of hell to save you? Do they deserve anything less? Consider this: if you were falsely accused of a serious crime, wouldn’t you insist that rumor, innuendo, and pandering to fear be rejected as evidence against you? If so, then hold yourselves to that standard and reject the fear-mongering and falsehoods of Alex Jones, Les Jamieson, Loose Change, Steven Jones, and others who disdain standards of evidence, expertise, and rational thought. These “Truth Movement” leaders have become what they say they are fighting against: people who lie for political reasons. – Mark Roberts FDNY Ten House, across Liberty Street from the World Trade Center FDNY Fatalities 9/11/01 NYPD Fatalities 9/11/01 Below: Top 2 rows: Port Authority Police fatalities 9/11/01. Bottom rows: Port Authority civilian fatalities. Neville Elder Ground Zero, September 11, 2006 FDNY Counseling Services Unit http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/units/csu/index.shtml Remembering the Victims: An Online Memorial FAIR USE NOTICE: While this document consists of significant amounts of original content, in order to explore and advance understanding of the events surrounding 9/11, it has been necessary to reference some material that is copyrighted. Such use falls under the 'fair use' provisions set out in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. Equivalent provisions exist in EU law. Thus, in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information, specifically for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner Table of Contents __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan v666 Blog \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law" "In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

13 Jul 2008 , 08:41 AM	#3
itsmylife Privileged Join Date: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 222 Threads: 6 Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts	Its a statement made by Mark Roberts, a debunker, a common claim by debunkers to make those in the truth movement look bad - saying that by questioning 9/11 we are disrespecting those who gave their lives on 9/11 to save others... __________________ Angela

19 Jul 2009 , 18:16 PM	#9
2getherwestand Moderator Join Date: 20 Apr 2007 Location: no.california Posts: 1,855 Threads: 789 Thanked 607 Times in 343 Posts	Blueguesser must have learned everything he knows from Fox news! Try and convince the following organizations what kind of bullshit you are trying to push Blueguesser.http://mp911truth.org/ __________________ Strong and peaceful, wise and brave Fighting the fight for the whole world to save We the People will ceaselessly strive To keep our great Revolution alive Unfurl the banners! Look at the screen! Never before has such glory been seen! Oceania! Oceania! Oceania! 'Tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Defeat the one world order 2getherwestand

19 Jul 2009 , 18:16 PM	#10
2getherwestand Moderator Join Date: 20 Apr 2007 Location: no.california Posts: 1,855 Threads: 789 Thanked 607 Times in 343 Posts	And this one!http://firefightersfor911truth.org/ __________________ Strong and peaceful, wise and brave Fighting the fight for the whole world to save We the People will ceaselessly strive To keep our great Revolution alive Unfurl the banners! Look at the screen! Never before has such glory been seen! Oceania! Oceania! Oceania! 'Tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Defeat the one world order 2getherwestand

13 Jul 2008 , 07:47 AM	#2
queglay Reader Join Date: 9 Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Threads: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i dont get it, how are the makers of loose change liars?

13 Jul 2008 , 10:26 AM	#4
queglay Reader Join Date: 9 Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Threads: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	if thats all they've got - ridiculous.

13 Jul 2008 , 17:23 PM	#6
hanuri Writer Join Date: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 285 Threads: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Consider this: if you were falsely accused of a serious crime, wouldn’t you insist that rumor, innuendo, and pandering to fear be rejected as evidence against you? if so , would you do anything in your power to seek for the truth ? if B admin was innocent would they have done EVERYTHIN to see what happened , why and who did it? just to show for your own people you are not hiding /lying ..... sorry pal( this roberts genius) your admin HAS done the excact opposite . either they are even more stupid one can think or then they are not innocent .