The DoD Manipulated Fire And Firemen During This Inside Job

**Terral** · 17 Sep 2007 , 19:52 PM

Greetings to All:

The Department of Defense and Donald Rumsfeld deliberately allowed the Pentagon fires to escalate out of control to simulate the damage of a crashed Boeing 757-200 Jetliner. Men dressed as firemen purposely wasted time and valuable firefighting resources to give appearances of fighting flames, while at the same time allowing the fire to move from the original E-D-C Ring Wedge One location into other parts of the Pentagon. The “10:10 AM portion of Pentagon collapses” CNN report ( http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1...nology.attack/ ) is a LIE refuted by the evidence. I have the utmost respect and admiration for the police and firefighting men and women serving We The People every day by risking life and limb, but the ‘Inside Job’ men in these photographs are disguised to mimic our public servants. This story begins very suspiciously with a Reagan National Airport group of ‘Air Rescue Firefighters’ responding to a car accident ( http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa.html ) at the airport, until they heard the massive explosion and took off for the Pentagon to arrive in just three minutes.

http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa-article/

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“The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival,” said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at National.

"We applied the foam tactfully and kept the fire from spreading drastically," he said. "This allowed for self-evacuation of the Pentagon at a critical time, saving many lives, and eventually the building."

Carol A Valentine >> Do the math. The Reagan National team must have arrived at the Pentagon at approximately 9:40 or 9:41 a.m. If they extinguished the bulk of the fire in seven minutes, the "bulk of the fire" was extinguished at approximately 9:47 a.m. or 9:48 a.m.

Original Picture >> http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pent1/pentalawn.html

Follow along with my commentary from the left side of the picture to the right and see if the ‘facts’ in this case even begin to match the testimony from these firemen. “No Fight #1” (NF #1) is the first of three diagrams placing these events on this Sundial Timeline ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...agonSundial.jpg ). Count the firemen with me from the left: I see 2 standing by the fire truck with #3 carrying objects and #4 apparently dragging out some hose with #5 over on the right dragging his hose in the opposite direction of the Impact Crater. The fact is that nobody here is actually fighting the fire at all. Captain Michael Defina said they placed “the foam tactfully and kept the fire from spreading drastically,” but the evidence shows a river of foam wasted on the pristine Pentagon lawn. I count fires burning in 1 (front of fire truck), 2 (inside Impact Crater) and 3 (second story window over spools) locations completely missed by any foam. Note carefully the second story window beside my red circle to the right is surrounded by foam like the corner where the limestone blocks have fallen back in our direction (Wasted Foam). However, the section of wall ‘under’ the windows where the fire is burning on the second floor is black from never receiving any foam at all. We know the second story floor is still intact, because the fire is visible through the second floor.

Only two windows are missing on the second floor and no windows are even broken on the third floor. None of the firemen look concerned at all about saving anyone from any crashed 100-ton Jetliner, as you can see there is not even a scrap of paper on the lawn. A closer look at the cable spools ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...fire_spools.jpg ) shows the black plastic insulation was not even melted, but they received more attention and foam than these three burning fires put together. The primary piece of evidence to keep in the forefront of your mind throughout this entire ‘No Fight’ investigation is that the first responders on the scene right here testified that the “The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival . . .”. That is why you see the dead-beat looking fireman dragging his hose ‘away’ from the Impact Crater at 9:48 AM in the morning as if the job is done.

Carol A. Valentine (President, Public Action, Inc.) caught everyone in a Cover Story LIE with her “Pentagon, 9-11: The Seven Minute Fire” article ( http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa.html ) that everyone should take the time to read carefully. She makes the my argument, saying,

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Carol Valentine >> Seven Minute Fire Burns For Days

Look at this quote again:

"The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival . . . ".

According CNN, the section of the roof collapsed at 10:10 a.m. Recall that the structural damage to the building -- caused by the alleged plane crash -- had already occurred at 9:38 a.m. If the bulk of the fire was out by 9:47 a.m., what caused the roof to collapse 23 minutes after the bulk of the fire was out?

Ms Valentine is following the same breadcrumb trail finding me searching the archives ( http://www.archive.org/index.php ) for evidence to answer the same question. The attitudes of our firefighters above appear very suspicious, when we know Donald Rumsfeld is passing off questions about this fire to Secretary (of the Army) White in a press conference held after 6 PM about nine hours later! The question about ‘fire’ came only near the end:

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Q: Can you describe the fire-fighting efforts that are going on right now in that corridor and the search-and-rescue efforts that are beginning?

Rumsfeld: Can I describe them?

Q: Yeah.

Rumsfeld: Why don't we let the Secretary of the Army, who was out there with me a few minutes ago and has been talking to the incident commander on the site.

White: I think it's fair to say at this point that the fire is contained, and will shortly, if not already, be sufficiently controlled to allow entry into the building. That entry will be supervised by the FBI, who are in charge of the site, assisted by the fire departments that are present. We, on the Army side, will support them as they go in the building and search for casualties and bring them out, then we will support them in dealing with that. That's what's going on on the ground.”

We are left scratching our heads searching for answers on how this E-D-C Ring fire managed to be ‘knocked down’ in the first seven minutes, but then somehow spread to many areas far from the original fire.

I count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (driver) and 7 firemen in this picture and nobody is fighting the fire you can see burning in the second story window. This fire has been nursed to ensure the thing did NOT go out since shortly after 9:30 AM in the morning. My Sundial critics will whine about the uneven sloping ground behind the fire truck, when the shadow is obviously WAY shorter than the height of the tall vehicle. The uneven ground does not change the angle of the shadow cast by the truck and the pixels are counted rather than using dimensions. The horizontal line shows where the shadow would strike X-Axis plane, if the ground were level. My calculations are based upon the ‘angle’ of the shadow and the ‘ratios,’ which takes the uneven ground out of the equation. We are dealing with shadows at 38-degrees North Latitude, which means the shadows here are 'longer' (pointing North) than if at the equator. With the variables figured into the calculation, this picture was taken just after 11:00 AM with a very small degree of error either way.

Original >> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Ter...on_347626_a.jpg

Beginning from the far left, we see at least six men standing in a circle behind the small building. The small shadow cast against the south side wall says the sun has nearly reached its high point in the sky. The West Wedge Wall remains in the shadow for a few minutes after the 1:04 Zenith, because the South end is 155-feet out of square (to the West) from True North. This fire has burned all day since between 9:30 and 9:45, but the first crew on the scene “knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival.” We see fire hoses lying around without firemen on the busy end spraying tight streams into the windows. Remember again that after the Tomahawk Missile Attack ( http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14796 ) no windows were even broken on the third floor, but now even the top floors are burning out of control. An interesting note is that someone made off with the fence-covered car and smoldering SUV parked between Column Lines 5 and 7. Perhaps someone was making room for their 100-ton Jetliner story. :0) This fire will burn out of control to Corridor 5 and turn the corner to burn through D, C and the B-Ring sections.

The firemen will drag hoses into AE Drive and begin hosing down the roof (God only knows why) at about 3:00 PM in the afternoon, or over 5 hours after the “bulk of the fire” was knocked down before 10:00 AM.

http://pentagon.spacelist.org/

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"Shortly after 2:00 pm, our first task was to stand by outside the B ring while the Arlington Fire Department attempted to make entry to the first floor between corridors 4 and 5. The fire was too intense and the crew quickly retreated.

Around 3:00 pm, the units from Prince George's County were then given the unenviable task of taking the first interior attack line into the C ring of the second floor of the Pentagon with the express orders to search for survivors and extinguish what fire we could.”

According to our resident Prince George’s County Fire/EMS Department firefighter Dale Klonin (ID# 11595 = YCHTT), “My department sent 5 companies to the Pentagon that day including the Truck company from my former station.” His testimony says,

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...opic=14796&st=0

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Cant (YCHTT = Sep 12 2007, 06:05 AM = Caps and bold added) >> If you had read the after action report from the Arlington county VA Fire Department you would see the timeline of events for that day. After action report (link does not work) All crews were evacuated from the impact zone at 9:55 AM due to danger of structural collapse. This was 14 minutes after the arrival of the first fire department unit which was a ladder truck (No water) that incidentally just happen to witness the plane hitting the building. At 9:57 AM the building in the impact area collapsed. Then at 10:15 AM everyone was evacuated from everywhere because of a report of another aircraft approaching. The all clear was not given until 10:38 AM.

These five companies of firemen had every opportunity to put the fire out in the first hour of this operation, if all hands were on deck at the E, D, C- Ring locations where the fire first began. The evidence clearly shows firemen, or operatives dressed like firemen, performing every kind of activity but actually putting out the fire. All of the drama and all of the fire trucks with hundreds of men running about in hysterics created the illusion this missile strike and limited fire were events connected to Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. We see very short shadows in comparison to their principals when the E-Ring outer wall remained standing to confirm the 911Truth that the collapse took place sometime after 11:00 AM, or an hour and a half AFTER the initial missile strike. The Reagan National Airport group of ‘Air Rescue Firefighters’ first to arrive on the scene saw themselves and their story buried so deeply underground that practically nobody has ever heard of them. After all, knocking “down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival” was NOT what the Department of Defense had in mind by carrying out this ‘self-inflicted wound.’

Terral

**ricochet** · 18 Sep 2007 , 11:58 AM

Here is the Arlington County After Action Report.
http://www.arlingtonva.us/Department...ter_report.pdf

**StarOfCuriosity** · 18 Sep 2007 , 14:43 PM

Thank you Ricochet and Terral. I've read your thread Terral, and am now reading Ricochet's PDF file.

It's a LOT to process, but worthy information from what I've gotten through to this point!

You both get "brownie points"

Edited to add: I've seen comments in some of your other posts Terral about wanting debate on some of your thoughts. I've seen and discussed some of the things you've posted, and am sure others have as well. I don't want you to think that what you're posting isn't valid and thought provoking, because it most certainly IS. Some of this is new to me, and some is a reminder, which makes it VERY important to me in my keeping focus on the facts already found, and yet to come. So, don't stop posting this stuff.

You either Ricochet

This is good stuff Guys!

Good grief! Edited AGAIN! Sorry, am very scattered today.

Terral ... I remember wanting to comment on this back when I first read this somewhere on the net while looking at passenger anomalies. The Rumsfeld/White comments during the interview about the condition of the fire are so suspicious, yet still unpressed. I have totally believed since minute one that I read that the firemen had that fire out in approx. 7 minutes. I can remember keeping that info tucked into the back of my head, and did a couple of other searches to find if those questions had ultimately been answered as to "How in the hell does a fire spread and create that level of devastation when it had been extinguished immediately upon arrival by the firemen?" also, you caught what I've always questioned from the first time I saw the pics of the firemen ... why are they standing around doing nothing of value? Thank you for echoing these concerns here. However, I have no idea how to go about getting these questions answered. I point these things out to people offline, in the hopes that they being neutral can tell me something procedural ... and nada.

NOW, I will go back to my reading lol ugh

**ricochet** · 18 Sep 2007 , 15:15 PM

Thanks Star, I am never one to skip to the last page of a book but at the end of the report is the FBI schematics of the Pentagon. Note how the damaged columns are in front of the punch out hole. Whatever made the hole had to be small enough to miss the supports but have enough kinetic energy to blast through a concrete reinforced wall.

**StarOfCuriosity** · 19 Sep 2007 , 23:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ricochet

Thanks Star, I am never one to skip to the last page of a book but at the end of the report is the FBI schematics of the Pentagon. Note how the damaged columns are in front of the punch out hole. Whatever made the hole had to be small enough to miss the supports but have enough kinetic energy to blast through a concrete reinforced wall.

I don't know how you happened to miss the memo on this Ricochet, but this "plane" is made from the same material as the magic bullet that killed JFK The plane was liquified after it disintegrated and still it went through that concrete wall. Sheesh ... that's 7th grade Science 101! I believe them too, because they were there

It's really insulting that they put this stupid shit out there, isn't it?

and once again you guys, Thank you for sharing this! Really great stuff!

18 Sep 2007 , 11:58 AM	#2
ricochet Moderator Join Date: 25 Nov 2004 Location: Parked diagonally in a parallel universe Posts: 1,218 Threads: 92 Thanked 67 Times in 36 Posts Images: 1	Here is the Arlington County After Action Report. http://www.arlingtonva.us/Department...ter_report.pdf __________________ In a dictatorship no one can hear you scream...

18 Sep 2007 , 14:43 PM	#3
StarOfCuriosity Free Mind Join Date: 9 Aug 2005 Posts: 1,114 Threads: 35 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Ricochet and Terral. I've read your thread Terral, and am now reading Ricochet's PDF file. It's a LOT to process, but worthy information from what I've gotten through to this point! You both get "brownie points" Edited to add: I've seen comments in some of your other posts Terral about wanting debate on some of your thoughts. I've seen and discussed some of the things you've posted, and am sure others have as well. I don't want you to think that what you're posting isn't valid and thought provoking, because it most certainly IS. Some of this is new to me, and some is a reminder, which makes it VERY important to me in my keeping focus on the facts already found, and yet to come. So, don't stop posting this stuff. You either Ricochet This is good stuff Guys! Good grief! Edited AGAIN! Sorry, am very scattered today. Terral ... I remember wanting to comment on this back when I first read this somewhere on the net while looking at passenger anomalies. The Rumsfeld/White comments during the interview about the condition of the fire are so suspicious, yet still unpressed. I have totally believed since minute one that I read that the firemen had that fire out in approx. 7 minutes. I can remember keeping that info tucked into the back of my head, and did a couple of other searches to find if those questions had ultimately been answered as to "How in the hell does a fire spread and create that level of devastation when it had been extinguished immediately upon arrival by the firemen?" also, you caught what I've always questioned from the first time I saw the pics of the firemen ... why are they standing around doing nothing of value? Thank you for echoing these concerns here. However, I have no idea how to go about getting these questions answered. I point these things out to people offline, in the hopes that they being neutral can tell me something procedural ... and nada. NOW, I will go back to my reading lol ugh

18 Sep 2007 , 15:15 PM	#4
ricochet Moderator Join Date: 25 Nov 2004 Location: Parked diagonally in a parallel universe Posts: 1,218 Threads: 92 Thanked 67 Times in 36 Posts Images: 1	Thanks Star, I am never one to skip to the last page of a book but at the end of the report is the FBI schematics of the Pentagon. Note how the damaged columns are in front of the punch out hole. Whatever made the hole had to be small enough to miss the supports but have enough kinetic energy to blast through a concrete reinforced wall. __________________ In a dictatorship no one can hear you scream...