The Driver Shot JFK....Clearly

**BuckMarley** · 21 Nov 2008 , 13:50 PM

YouTube - Driver shot JFK

Why are things like this so drawn out and controversial.....when the video clearly shows the Driver turn around and shoot JFK,with the left hand,looking over his right shoulder.

Anyone have any information on who the other shooter could have been,or if he was caught on video.

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**SureShot** · 22 Nov 2008 , 23:56 PM

No, the driver DID NOT shoot JFK. Higher res videos prove this to be a reflection of light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPyhsW_CNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9bcD...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jis_ZFspfY

**trueblue** · 23 Nov 2008 , 14:18 PM

Ethan, to my eyes, the vids you provided don't prove anything. Of course you can't see a gun, you can't see anything recognizable!
Cooper didn't base his belief on the Zapruder film, but on documents and testimony of agents who claimed to know about it. AFTER hearing that the driver shot, the footage IS suggestive of this very scenario.
But, with the visual evidence available, we'll never know for sure.

**Jack A. Lope** · 26 Nov 2008 , 20:20 PM

It appears that The discovery Chanel has gone out of it's way to disprove the conspirousy angle.
http://dsc.discovery.com/search/results.html?query=jfk

Cheers
Jack

**BuckMarley** · 27 Nov 2008 , 02:15 AM

Cover of the Globe, issue of March 17, 1992

On January 29, 1992, I succeeded in getting a letter to the editor published in the San Luis Obispo Telegram-Tribune with the headline "Zapruder Film Shows the Ugly truth about Dallas". the same letter was published in our local weekly paper, "The New Times," under the headline, "The Limo Diver Did It." I wrote these letters to the editor based upon my initial viewing of the research video, "Dallas Revisited" done for some local researchers by South Bay Video Productions, right here in San Luis Obispo, CA., where I live.

Shortly after these letters were published, a writer for the Globe, Paul Bannister, contacted me and interviewed me. I showed him my copy of "Dallas Revisited" and some stills I made of frames 312 and 313 of the Zapruder film from a high quality broadcast video. Paul combined my information with work by fellow reporter Bob Boyd who accessed some Dallas Police Dept. files and the article was written. Before publication, The Globe called me from Florida to make sure William Greer was dead. I checked with my local sources and was able to assure the Globe publishers that Greer had died of stomach cancer. After the Globe appeared on every newstand in America, I got phone calls from all over the country from people that agreed with me! The most important call came from Maine from one Tyler Newcomb, a musician, who gave me the phone number of his father, Fred Newcomb, who with fellow researcher Perry Adams of Santa Barbara, wrote the still unpublished book "Murder From Within," which has a 1975 Copyright.

I interviewed Fred for over 3 hours on March 12, 1992 and taped the interview. This was simultaneous with the March 17, 1992 Globe article. Fred commented to me that publishers would not publish the book "because they are scared." I saw the actual self-published edition and it bristles with documentation. Fred had such a compelling book because he went to Dallas in 1968 when witness memories were still fresh. I will publish on this web page a detailed narrative of much little-known information that will make the case for Greer shooting JFK in a way that as not been previously accomplished. I want to mention here that this is the second time I have had this Globe cover scanned. You see, the first time I had it done, the feds hacked my web tv scrapbook and removed this and a scan of a OP-ED piece that I had published 4-18-92 in the same Telegram-Tribune with the headline "Many People Believe JFK’s Killer Was In The Car."

Headline from my Op-Ed piece that appeared in the Telegram-Tribune 4-18-92. My article filled the entire page.

Witnesses make the case for the Limousine Driver shooting JFK

1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.

2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."

3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.

4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."

5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.

6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"

Nose witnesses

It is reasonable to assume that if a gun were fired in the limousine, then there would be the smell of gunsmoke. There was and Mr. Newcomb located 6 "nose witnesses":

1.Senator Ralph Yarborough

2. Patrolman Joe W. Smith

3. Congressman Ray Roberts

4. Thomas C. Clifford

5. Elizabeth Cabell, wife of Dallas Mayor.

6. Robert W. Jackson

This timeline of events during the JFK assasination was compiled from "The Torbitt Document", "High Treason" by Robert J. Groden and Harrison Edward Livingstone, and "Murder from Within," by Fred Newcomb and Perry Adams.

12:15 p.m. CST - Jerry Belknap faints in Dealy Plaza. C.L. Bronson does

motion pictures that include two men moving near the 6th floor window of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD)

12:25 p.m. - Depository employee Carolyn Arnold sees Lee Harvey Oswald near the front door of the TSBD.

12:29 p.m. - Geneva Hine, the only employee in the TSBD second floor notices electrical power and phones go dead. [Larry Ed. note - assassinations are always "allowed to happen."]

12:29 p.m. - Dallas Police Radio, Channel One, reserved for Presidential security goes dead for 4 minutes. Again, assasinations are 'allowed' to happen.

12:31 p.m. - William Seymour, FBI Division 5 team shooter fires three shots from the sixth floor of the TSBD, hitting Kennedy once in the back. Two shots miss. Seymour is a known Oswald look alike. Deputy Sherriff Roger Craig even identifies him as Oswald as he leaves the rear of the building. Craig was later shot to death...it was ruled suicide.

12:31:02 - FBI Division 5 Team shooter Emilio Santana fires one shot from the Dal-Tex building striking Connally in the back. This was possibly to distract Nellie. There was no "magic bullet!"

12:31:03 - "Hatman", who some researchers say is Ricky White's father, fires a rifle, striking JFK in the throat. He is located on the right side among some bushes. He is identified photographically in the "Dallas Revisited" video and in "High Treason" stills.

12:31:04 - Permindex (a CIA front group) President Ferenec Nagygives his umbrella signal for the fatal shot sequence that follows immediately. He leaves right away and is later seen in the basement of the Dallas Police Department hoping to "secure two of his employees." Oswald and Ruby?? sometimes called "umbrella man"

12:31:06 - FBI Division Five professional Manual Gonzales, sometimes called "badgeman" fires once from behind the stockade fence with the only rifle that has smoke coming from the barrel. His 75° angle could not have been the fatal shot as many claim because JFK has not been slammed back against the seat nor is there any spray of blood visible in the Moorman Polaroid from which the badgeman image is taken. This most likely was a distraction shot. Covert operations are literally done with "smoke and mirrors!"

12:31:07 - William Greer - The limousine driver, brakes the car, turns and sees he still has a live passenger, and then takes the already drawn .45 Cal. Colt pistol in his left hand and rests it on his right shoulder firing the single shot that causes Kennedy’s fatal head wound. At least six people see him as noted above and five more people smell gunsmoke in the car. Fred Newcomb maintains that the gun was etched with bleach into a highlight and aligned with the top of the head of the passenger Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, to make you "think" that this was just a highlight on Kellerman’s head. This is the source of many researcher arguements. Existing photos of Kellerman show him to not have a flat head nor a butch haircut. If we are to believe that is his head.....then it is FLAT AS A BOARD!

12:33 p.m. - The phone grid to key offices in Washington, D.C. went dead and stay dead for one hour.

12:35 p.m. - A teletype message about the assassination to cabinet members on a military plane enroute to Japan can’t be verified because a needed code book is not on board.

12:37 p.m. - STRAC bombers in the air at the time also can’t verify a message about the assassination because of the lack of a necessary code book. And, since these code books have to pass through 17 hands before getting on board the bombers, it seems likely that this may be a conspiracy. This particular item came from a interview by researcher John Judge at Wright-Patterson AFB.

Confirmations that JFK was shot by Greer

¶ A retired Arroyo Grande police officer, Darrell Puckett, asked his firing range instructor if it was true that the limousine driver shot JFK. The instructor replied: "It is common knowledge in military circles that Greer shot Kennedy."

¶ A woman named "Amy" who I know, had a uncle who was in the CIA and he told her as a child that it was Greer who shot Kennedy. Thoughout the years she noted white vans parked near her house. There were suspicions about the untimely death of her uncle as well. ED NOTE: Often while I was chatting with Amy in the back parking lot behind DaVinci’s, I would notice single helicopters hovering just behind the auto body shop behind our restaurant. I later confirmed the chopper sighting with Amy.

¶ A man visiting in San Luis Obispo where I live was known to be a neighbor of one of Gov. Connally’s golf partners. He was given a copy of "Dallas Revisited" to show to Connally’s golf partner. In Texas, after seeing the video, he replied "so now you know," and left without another word.

¶ A caller to the Art Bell show wanted to speak privately to Art about something special. Art said that he only handles callers on the air. So, the man told of a death bed confession from a Uncle who was in the Military....that Greer had shot Kennedy. Art replied: "That’s old stuff sir, that’s old stuff."

¶ A former radio station owner who I had shown "Dallas Revisited" to, called me long distance from San Diego to tell me that the TV tabloid program known as "The Reporters" had shown the same "Dallas Revisted" video that I had shown him. Within weeks "The Reporters" was no longer on the air. Draw your own conclusions.

¶ A local woman whose brother was in the Office of Naval Intelligence got a call from him after the assassination. He told her: "Sis, if people really knew what happened, they’d be rioting in the streets."

Frame 313 of the Zapruder film

This vid cap of frame 313 of the Zapruder film sickens some people when they realize that this clearly shows Secret Service Agent William Greer, shooting JFK. Many would say that this is just a highlight on the passengers head - Roy Kellerman. Don’t kid yourself! The gun has been etched into a highlight to make you "think" it is Kellerman’s head. And Robert J. Groden thinks that the gun is the chrome on the drivers door. Now, how come we can see this chrome through Greers body? New kinda chrome?

Greer and Kellerman

William Greer, the driver of JFK's limousine, and Roy Kellerman, the Secret Service agent who was in the front passenger seat, controlled everything that happened at Parkland Hospital in Dallas while the presidents body was there. They stood next to the doctors trying to save JFK's life, telling them "what happened." It was Roy Kellerman that placed the bullet on the stretcher that matched the ammunition used by the Manlicher Carcano rifle that was placed in the Oswald-patsie snipers nest. {ED Note: The Manlicer Carcano rifle abounded in Illuminati symbolism because it costs $23.00 and recycles in 2.3 seconds - "23" is one of their Big Time numbers.}This planted "stretcher bullet" was necessary to corroborate the hole in Kennedy's back that was put there by an cabal operative to further convince us that he was shot from the rear. When Roy Kellerman was asked about this bullet, he replied: "it probably worked itself out during cardiac massage." [Larry Ed Note - bullets cannot work themselves out because the inflammation process would hold them in.] Newcomb found out from his research that within 48 hours of the assassination before Oswald was arrested, the FBI questioned both Greer and Kellerman, treating them like suspects. Kellermans statements to the FBI, found in the National Archives by Newcomb, all support JFK being shot from the rear. His statement was that President said "'my God, I'm hit,' and then reaches around and grabs his back." Anyone who has seen the Zapruder film knows that Kennedy first grabs his throat and then is slammed violently backward by a shot from the front. i.e. Kellerman is lying through his teeth to save his butt!

The Scuffle

A little known event that I learned about from my interview with Fred Newcomb can best be described as the "hospital room scuffle." In order to cover-up the shooting of JFK by Greer, the wounds had to be altered to make it appear that he was shot from the rear instead of the front. Control of the president's body was paramount. The Dallas coroner at one point wanted to open the ceremonial coffin to do a autopsy in Dallas. Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman pulled a gun to stop him and in the process a FBI agent tried to intervene and got knocked over in the scuffle.

The Coffin was Empty!

We know from public lectures by David Lifton, author of "Best Evidence," that when Jackie arrives at the front of Bethesda Naval Hospital with the bronze ceremonial casket that a X-Ray technician also arrives at the front desk with a already completed X-Ray of the presidents head in his hand. How can this be? Well, this ties in very neatly with what Fred Newcomb found out in Dallas from interviews with Parkland medical staff including nurses. These are the little known facts that explain why the coffin had to be empty and why Secret Service agents had to pull their guns to prevent the Dallas Coroner from opening it:

¶ A secret service agent was running around the hospital asking for a "basket, casket or a bag - anything to put a body in."

¶ A Secret Service agent was also asking where the rear entrance to the hospital was.

¶ After Kennedy's body was in the ceremonial coffin, Greer and Kellerman asked for and got some time of privacy with everyone else out of the room.

Governor Connally’s Clothing

When a handgun is fired at close range, powder burns are left on anything in the vicinity. As one can see from this diagram, when Greer fired, Governor Connely’s suit coat was close to the muzzle blast. This would explain why one of the first orders of President Johnson was to have Congress man Henry Gonzales (now diseased) take Gov. Connally’s clothing out of the hospital in a sack. Gonzales then took them back to Washington D.C. where they hung in his closet for at least a week. When they were given back to Nellie Connaly, she laundered them. When the FBI finially caught up with them, they were useless to test for powder burns. {ED note: At least the FBI thought of trying!}

Murder of primary witnesses

On page 215 of his book "Behold a Pale Horse," the late William Cooper says that "all of the witnesses who were close enough to the car to see William Greer shoot Kennedy" were themselves murdered within two years of the event.

Media Control

¶ Soon after The Reporters tabloid TV program aired "Dallas Revisited," they were taken off the air.

¶ When educational TV channel KQED aired "Dallas Revisited," the feed went out to all cable systems in California on their 6 p.m. broadcast. When the 2nd broadcast went out at midnight, only viewers in San Luis Obispo county got to see it. This is a good example of damage control because it was here, at South Bay Video Productions, that Lars Hansson and crew made that film.

¶ When CNN was sent a copy of "Dallas Revisited" they wanted to air it but someone told them not to or they would lose their FCC license.

My personal mail problems!

¶ When I tried to mail the manuscript of my OP-ED article to Fred Newcomb for approval of the text, he never got it. When I resent another copy via United Parcel package service, he got it. Damage control.

¶ When I mailed ad copy to sell copies of my radio interview on "Sound Off" on our local KPRL to "The Spotlight" newspaper along with a check prepaying the ad for 5 weeks, they never got it and my check never cleared the bank. I got under the "radar" of the Feds by sending the ad copy and a new check using the return address of a friend in Morro Bay but with my correct P.O. Box and phone number on the ad form. This time the ad ran but only for 4 weeks. For some reason I did not get the free 5th issue. Again, a attempt at damage control.

¶ When I sent a dub of "Dallas Revisted" to The Weekly World News via Certified Mail, I never got the little green postcard back. More damage control.

The Bullet Hole In The Limo Windshield

Mr. Newcomb was able to locate witnesses including a journalist and a Dallas Policeman who all stated emphatically that the limousine windshield had a bullet hole in it "that you could stick a pencil through." What's more, it was on the driver's side of the windshield" (this clearly shows in the Betzner photograph,) What does this possibly mean ? We know from the Zapruder film that this bullet hole occurs at frame 333, twenty frames after the fatal shot was fired which could not have been fired from the sides or above. Could it could also have been gunfire being returned from within the car? It was well known that Gov. Conally carried a pistol strapped to his ankle. Could it be that he returned fire to shoot Greer?

The Windshield Switcheroo!

The appearance of the bullet hole in the windshield was an embarassment to the feds covering up the murder and since the "returned fire" could have been the case, something had to be done. A different windshield was "prepared" for the Warren Commission to fit the rear shot script. This windshield had a scar on the outside in a slightly different area than the original hole and was smooth on the inside. This covered all bases. No shots from the front or from inside the car. The WC could write their "report" as it was originally scripted out.

Little known facts about the JFK Assassination

¶ Hugh Betzner, who had a picture of the follow-up car published in Life magazine "saw a gun in the hand of one of the Secret Service agents and later heard a sound like "a firecracker in the car."

¶ There were witnesses who saw what really happened in the car but later changed their minds after Oswald was arrested and charged.

¶ Greer's son, an attorney, recently admitted that his father, who was Irish-Protestant had serious religious differences with JFK who was a philandering Catholic.

¶ Austin P. Miller, of the Texas Lousiana Freight Bureau, was standing on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street and was asked by Sen. Arlen Spector "where the shots came from?" His reply: "From right there in the car" Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics.

¶ President Johnson gave the order to remove the president's body from Parkland hospital. In fact it was his first order as President.

¶ Immediately before Oswald was arrested, the FBI questioned Greer and Kellerman as suspects.

¶ There exists in the National Archives {but not the Warren Commission files} a statement made by Kellerman to the FBI that president Kennedy said "my God, I'm hit." and then he says that the President reaches around and grabs his back. In the Zapruder film, JFK grabs his throat and slumps forward and to his left onto his wife's shoulder.

¶ Kellerman and Greer were standing next to the autopsy surgeons in Bethesda telling them what happened.

¶ The hole in Kennedy's back just below the shoulder ws not reported in Dallas.

¶ When Kellerman was asked why there was no bullet in the back wound he said "it probably worked its' way out when we were giving him cardiac massage." We? Cardiac Massage? More lies.

¶ Seven different Dallas doctors all reported that the right rear of Kennedy's head was missing and yet Life magazine photographs taken from the Zapruder film show hair in the same place.

¶ The bright orange burst of blood spray we see in the Zapruder film does not appear on the Muchmore and the Nix films. i.e. Do HEADS really contain this much blood?

¶ Chief Dallas homicide investigator Will Fritz got 3 calls from President Johnson telling hime to "back off the investigation because National Security is involved. Fritz was interviewed by an investigator from Washington and his reply is now classified for 50 years.

¶ There is a new book entitled "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger which promotes the idea that SS agent Hickey in the follow-up car accidently discharged his AR-16 killing the President. Could this be the second cover-up? Notice that this still maintains that the fatal shot came from the rear.

¶ A quote in Mortal Error states that "it was common knowledge among higher eschelon officials of the NSA (National Security Agency) that Kennedy had been killed by his body guards." (are they trying to drop some hints about the upcoming release of CIA documents?)

Still Frames from Zapruder Film Showing driver William Greer Shooting Kennedy

Jean Hill & Mary Moorman adjacent to JFK's limo as Kennedy reacts to first bullets (from the rear) and a moment prior to Greer shooting Kennedy (.45 automatic already resting on Greer's right shoulder)

Greer turns his head to take aim at Kennedy

Closeup of Greer preparing to shoot (is Greer wearing a black glove on his left hand?Or has his left hand been "blacked out" by government artisans? (Greer was photographed with bare hands on the wheel at the beginning of the ride)

Greer's fatal shot to the head causes Kennedy's skull to explode

A millisecond following Kennedy's head burst shot, Greer begins to withdraw the gun towards his left side.

Roy Herman Kellerman

Notice the "height" of Kellerman's hair in the above 3 photo enlargements and then notice the 'height' of Kellerman's hair in the enlarged photo below at the moment of Greer's 'head shot'. It looks like Kellerman's hairline was extended upward by government artisans in order to deny a clear outline of the gun with Greer's finger around the trigger. This apparent doctoring of the original Zapruder frame has caused many unobservant people to think that the gun is merely a "reflection" off the top of Kellerman's head-as if a man with a full head of dark hair reflects sunlight off his hair!

Clearer Version of Assassination

YouTube- JFK Assassination by Drivers / US Government Cover Up

Video Debunking Sunlight/William Cooper

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

Source-
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/drivergreershotjfk.shtml

Phil Jayhan · 9 Dec 2008 , 08:29 AM

While compelling Wes, I cannot see the gun in the hand of the driver which turns backwards. Can you? Or anyone else? While the drivers actions seem suspect and illogical, I cannot see how this is a smoking gun.

Can you provide me this info please?

Thanks-
Phil

**BuckMarley** · 9 Dec 2008 , 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Jayhan

While compelling Wes, I cannot see the gun in the hand of the driver which turns backwards. Can you? Or anyone else? While the drivers actions seem suspect and illogical, I cannot see how this is a smoking gun.

Can you provide me this info please?

Thanks-
Phil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcBha...eature=related

Theres a clearer version and slowed down but the best thing i can do is tell you to watch the vids again and read what the witnesses say or heard.Its no secret that the homo government doctored the film by Zapruder,and the film the lady is holding in the Zapruder version is nowhere to be found either.

Rhino 77 · 9 Dec 2008 , 23:41 PM

It seems to me that Connaly, his wife and Jackie would of known if a shot was fired from the car or in the car and they would of said something about it and to my knowledge their is no concrete evidence to suspect the driver except for bad film that really proves nothing. I still say Daltex building, Book Depository, Grassy Knoll and maybe even the sewer drain had shooters and a spotter.

**trueblue** · 10 Dec 2008 , 15:16 PM

Watch Jackie closely. Many think she was trying to recover a piece of JFK's head, Looks to me like she was trying to get the hell out of that car!!!!

C,mon, she knew the game, there was no way she would say a word, and jeopardize her children and family. And Connely? He's a politician. Will

**2getherwestand** · 10 Dec 2008 , 22:31 PM

From everything i have read and searched,a man by the name of James Files was the most likely to have been the trigger man,positioned at the top of the grassy knoll behind the fence.The driver turned back to see if the deed was done so he could hammer the pedal to the metal and get the hell out of there.His job of slowing to a crawl so the shooters had a clear shot was done.A well staged murder at best.

22 Nov 2008 , 23:56 PM	#2
SureShot Moderator Join Date: 9 Jun 2006 Location: American Falls, Idaho Posts: 1,029 Threads: 134 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, the driver DID NOT shoot JFK. Higher res videos prove this to be a reflection of light. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPyhsW_CNI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9bcD...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jis_ZFspfY __________________ "Elmer Fudd never bagged Bugs Bunny because he knew he would taste nasty" -Words of wisdom from Phil Jayhan

23 Nov 2008 , 14:18 PM	#3
trueblue Moderator Join Date: 9 Feb 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4,084 Threads: 117 Blog Entries: 3 Thanked 111 Times in 74 Posts	Ethan, to my eyes, the vids you provided don't prove anything. Of course you can't see a gun, you can't see anything recognizable! Cooper didn't base his belief on the Zapruder film, but on documents and testimony of agents who claimed to know about it. AFTER hearing that the driver shot, the footage IS suggestive of this very scenario. But, with the visual evidence available, we'll never know for sure. __________________ A LIE BELIEVED BY EVERYBODY IS NOT THE TRUTH

26 Nov 2008 , 20:20 PM	#4
Jack A. Lope Moderator Join Date: 9 Sep 2006 Location: I'm realy not here, what you see is a hologram. Posts: 1,190 Threads: 173 Thanked 117 Times in 61 Posts	It appears that The discovery Chanel has gone out of it's way to disprove the conspirousy angle. http://dsc.discovery.com/search/results.html?query=jfk Cheers Jack __________________ The green crusaders of the global warming community want to put a moratorium on the very gas responsible for making the world green. They say the debate is over. That may be the only thing they are right about

9 Dec 2008 , 08:29 AM	#6
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 20,437 Threads: 2502 Blog Entries: 25 Thanked 779 Times in 433 Posts	While compelling Wes, I cannot see the gun in the hand of the driver which turns backwards. Can you? Or anyone else? While the drivers actions seem suspect and illogical, I cannot see how this is a smoking gun. Can you provide me this info please? Thanks- Phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan v666 Blog \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law" "In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

10 Dec 2008 , 15:16 PM	#9
trueblue Moderator Join Date: 9 Feb 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4,084 Threads: 117 Blog Entries: 3 Thanked 111 Times in 74 Posts	Watch Jackie closely. Many think she was trying to recover a piece of JFK's head, Looks to me like she was trying to get the hell out of that car!!!! C,mon, she knew the game, there was no way she would say a word, and jeopardize her children and family. And Connely? He's a politician. Will __________________ A LIE BELIEVED BY EVERYBODY IS NOT THE TRUTH

9 Dec 2008 , 23:41 PM	#8
Rhino 77 Privileged Join Date: 13 Feb 2008 Location: US Posts: 78 Threads: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It seems to me that Connaly, his wife and Jackie would of known if a shot was fired from the car or in the car and they would of said something about it and to my knowledge their is no concrete evidence to suspect the driver except for bad film that really proves nothing. I still say Daltex building, Book Depository, Grassy Knoll and maybe even the sewer drain had shooters and a spotter.

10 Dec 2008 , 22:31 PM	#10
2getherwestand Moderator Join Date: 20 Apr 2007 Location: no.california Posts: 1,841 Threads: 793 Thanked 621 Times in 349 Posts	From everything i have read and searched,a man by the name of James Files was the most likely to have been the trigger man,positioned at the top of the grassy knoll behind the fence.The driver turned back to see if the deed was done so he could hammer the pedal to the metal and get the hell out of there.His job of slowing to a crawl so the shooters had a clear shot was done.A well staged murder at best. __________________ Strong and peaceful, wise and brave Fighting the fight for the whole world to save We the People will ceaselessly strive To keep our great Revolution alive Unfurl the banners! Look at the screen! Never before has such glory been seen! Oceania! Oceania! Oceania! 'Tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Every deed... Every thought... 'tis for thee... Defeat the one world order 2getherwestand