The Dust Cloud Trick - Explanation for Lack of Items and Body Parts

~~VonZolta~~ · 8 Sep 2010 , 06:49 AM

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**The Surgeon** · 8 Sep 2010 , 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonZolta

Some here have commented on the fact of the pyroclastic cloud - the tremendous amount of dust, several inches of which had blanketed the entire island of Manhattan. Common sense compels us to ask "Where could all of it have originated"? Gravitional force surely wasn't enough, nor would the explosive force of - say - thermite/thermate, or C4 or whatever, and certainly not from the explosive force of exploding jet fuel. Not from disintergrated drywall - not from pulverized concrete floors - not from a concrete core - But from thousands upon thousands of bags of cement and/or plaster.

The dust cloud was a created illusion. You see, the dust cloud gives the impression of total destruction - pulverization of not merely concrete and plaster walls, but of ALL material - including bodies and their respective parts, jewelry, money, wallets, belts, shoes, dentures, pictures of their kids, everything was subjected to a complete and total annihilation - even down to the ‘nano’ level of matter, i.e., sub-micron.

The perceptual imagery that underlies the dust cloud allows for the impression that everything was pulverized in like manner. What they have accomplished here is not unlike what a professional ‘illusionist’ such as David Copperfield – magician par excellence - would have put before his audience - an ILLUSION. Now this dust cloud, although quite ‘real’ in some sense, is a mere incidence of an illusion, a magic trick - a bit part of the overall totality of the Grand Illusion that was (is) 9/11.

IMHO, I think VonZolta's hypotheses is worthy of a serious look.

It seems there is too much dust to come from the contents of the Towers. I know this is impossible to measure, but it doesn't seem right.

VonZolta's concept that the dust cloud -- showing complete annihilation of the Twin Towers -- explains, in advance, why we wouldn't expect to find debris, body parts, clothing, computers, doors, etc. etc. in the rubble pile. And as we know, there seems to be a complete absence of identifiable objects in the rubble pile.

How did the bags of dust get into the building and where we they placed?

Quote:

From Aidan Monaghan, retrieved from 911blahgger. Copies of documents appear over there. http://www.911blogger.com/node/19889

Turner Construction, who supervised the 2000 demolition of the Seattle Kingdome, participated in the post-9/11 Ground Zero clean-up and performed extensive renovations within the World Trade Center towers just prior to 9/11, was in fact performing unspecified renovation work throughout the WTC complex until the very morning of September 11, 2001. The Port Authority of NY/NJ now claims that records describing such work or other projects were destroyed on September 11, 2001. A December 2000 WTC property assessment described required renovation work to be completed within one year, upon steel columns within elevator shafts of both WTC towers that was immediately pending or already underway.

12 employees of Turner Construction were located in an office in the third subbasement of Tower 1, the north tower. Turner had been performing renovation work in various parts of the center and had occupied various office spaces.

Maybe the bags of dust were placed in the elevator shafts? There were 15 miles (24 km) of elevator shafts.

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**Jon Simon** · 8 Sep 2010 , 17:34 PM

This "concrete bag" hypothesis is very interesting but I'm on the fence.

Surely there was enough concrete in each building's 110 floor 4" floor slabs to account for 1) the amount of dust we saw and 2) the lack of concrete chunks in the piles reported by numerous individuals; they reported the concrete mostly being piles of fine dust.

I suppose it would have added to the effects to line the outer walls (near the windows) with concrete bags. If they were anywhere that's where I would suspect they would be to create the best effect. Anywhere closer to the center of the building I think they would dampen the explosives forces? Or maybe not.

Interesting in any case.

Jon

Phil Jayhan · 8 Sep 2010 , 19:15 PM

Larry and I have discussed this in length over many months. At first, we were under the impression that huge portions of both towers went under serious and fast paced demolition, floor by floor prior to 9/11. However, it appears from other evidences of pictures showing the towers to be mostly hollow and devoid of many floors even after construction.

Thus in our own conversation about this, we had basically come to the conclusion that they took huge amounts of cement dust and simply loaded the top floors of the towers with as much cement dust as they felt necessary to to do the job of masking the demolition with the dust cloud, and to convince everyone the force was so strong of the buildings collapse, that everything turned to dust. the people, the fireman, the contents, and even huge portions of the structure.

We see in this picture above, that most of the ejected materials and dust which became that cloud, was mostly ejected from the very very tops of the Towers as they began to disintegrate.

In this picture below, we see the absolute huge amounts of cement dust being belched from the entire perimeter of the top of the North Tower, just as the disintegration fist begins.

Again we see below the same phenomena. almost the entirety of the dust cloud is ejected from the top floors. Combine that with terminal velocity and the mass of the towers which was left to be demolished after all the pre-demolition, and it will make for one giant dust cloud, and also give all sorts of plausible deniability into what happened to all the contents, people and even structure itself.

As we already know, the Towers were Hollow from even the beginning and missing most of the center floors,huge expanses of them. Thus the cement cloud and dust debris cloud cloud not have been produced by those floors.

For comparison the original LERA shot is added -->

Thus if that giant cloud of dust and debris were to come from anywhere, with the velocity it needed to keep rolling for miles, it would have to all be placed at the top of the Towers, IMO. Outstanding thread Zolta!

Cheers-
Phil

~~VonZolta~~ · 8 Sep 2010 , 20:09 PM

Dead Post

Phil Jayhan · 8 Sep 2010 , 20:41 PM

Zolta,

Thanks, and ya, that's what this is about. When you see something which is good, really good supposition and probability is high, to make such a great article as this. Personally I think the entire top of the WTC was filled, by and large with cement dust. Could have been 6-8-10 feet high on some floors.

Great observations and great research article!

Cheers-
Phil

BTW - Do you mind if I place the index of links in the first post? I also added to to the updated list; I think it really helps people to keep reading when they have that entire index at the end of every first new article on something new. thanx-

**Jon Simon** · 9 Sep 2010 , 01:32 AM

I've been thinking about this thread's angle all night and it's starting to perplex me more and more. My basic feeling is: I would not put it past them to enhance the show somehow and the more I look pictures of the "collapses" the more I wonder in that direction.

I'm having serious problems though on the towers missing floors or being mostly vacant structures.

1) Wouldn't missing floors present significant structural integrity issues? Wouldn't there be stories from construction workers about floors they were asked not to put in? Am I mis-understanding the research here?
2) I agree the towers were gutted in every possible way prior to 9/11 but if the towers were mostly vacant on 9/11, I believe they probably started to wind the occupancies down in the previous couple years; not the towers complete life-span (not sure if that's being claimed here now). I would think there was too much prime office space to not rent every available floor out if they could.
3) Finally, I'm convinced there were people on upper floors when the planes hit. Pictures someone posted in a .zip file of the ground prior to first tower's "collapse" shows some gruesome body stuff. So I'm not entirely satisfied on the building "actors acting as victims" angle yet.

Can someone please tell me when this picture was taken? Was this close to 9/11/01?

Jon

Phil Jayhan · 9 Sep 2010 , 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Simon

I've been thinking about this thread's angle all night and it's starting to perplex me more and more. My basic feeling is: I would not put it past them to enhance the show somehow and the more I look pictures of the "collapses" the more I wonder in that direction.

I'm having serious problems though on the towers missing floors or being mostly vacant structures.

1) Wouldn't missing floors present significant structural integrity issues? Wouldn't there be stories from construction workers about floors they were asked not to put in?
2) If the towers were mostly vacant, I believe they probably started to wind the occupancies down in the previous couple years; not the towers complete life-span. I would think there was too much prime office space to not rent every available floor out if they could.

Can someone please tell me when this picture was taken? Was this close to 9/11/01?

Jon

That picture was taken in 1978 as we have been lead to believe.

Quote:

I would think there was too much prime office space to not rent every available floor out if they could.

This argument is pedantic. The Twin towers were never made to MAKE money. And here we have the skydome in Seattle with the same basic configuration as the WTC AFTER construction. EXCEPT the WTC HAD an outer exoskeleton which the skydome didn't have. Talk about overbuilt!

cheers-
phil

**Jon Simon** · 9 Sep 2010 , 01:53 AM

Yeah, that may be, Phil. I have said many times to myself and other people in the last year or so that I believe that the towers were built specifically for 9/11.

So, given that line of thinking, anything is possible.

Jon

Phil Jayhan · 9 Sep 2010 , 04:06 AM

Jon,

I am sorry for being short with you. I am going to bed. I really didn't mean to be offensive to you, and was. Hope you accept my apologies.

Good nite-
phil

I worked thousands of hours this year to provide all this research for people. And did it to the detriment of my job, which I no longer have, and many other sacrifices which hardly anyone else I know has made or would even be willing to make. And spent the day attending idiots here which came to ruin my work and year long goal of launching all this new research.

So I am broke, have no paycheck, no life but this, worked thousands of hours this year for this day coming, with very little thanks, not two nickels to scratch together. So cut me some slack please if a post or two might seem harsh. Wasn't intended. 9/11 has always stresses me out, takes all my time, and frustrates the hell out of me.

And to think I sacrificed so much this year for this day.

Kind of a waste....But then, that's from the perspective of the person who brought this all to you and everyone else. I'll be honest. Its been a crummy day and a crummy week and a crummy month. After after having spent thousands of hours trying to prepare all that I could am starting to feel a total letdown. That's why I banned birdie. Because I'll be damned if someone is going to come here after me spending the entire year preparing for 911 and and piss all over my picasso after sacrificing everything to make it.

8 Sep 2010 , 19:15 PM	#4
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Larry and I have discussed this in length over many months. At first, we were under the impression that huge portions of both towers went under serious and fast paced demolition, floor by floor prior to 9/11. However, it appears from other evidences of pictures showing the towers to be mostly hollow and devoid of many floors even after construction. Thus in our own conversation about this, we had basically come to the conclusion that they took huge amounts of cement dust and simply loaded the top floors of the towers with as much cement dust as they felt necessary to to do the job of masking the demolition with the dust cloud, and to convince everyone the force was so strong of the buildings collapse, that everything turned to dust. the people, the fireman, the contents, and even huge portions of the structure. We see in this picture above, that most of the ejected materials and dust which became that cloud, was mostly ejected from the very very tops of the Towers as they began to disintegrate. In this picture below, we see the absolute huge amounts of cement dust being belched from the entire perimeter of the top of the North Tower, just as the disintegration fist begins. Again we see below the same phenomena. almost the entirety of the dust cloud is ejected from the top floors. Combine that with terminal velocity and the mass of the towers which was left to be demolished after all the pre-demolition, and it will make for one giant dust cloud, and also give all sorts of plausible deniability into what happened to all the contents, people and even structure itself. As we already know, the Towers were Hollow from even the beginning and missing most of the center floors,huge expanses of them. Thus the cement cloud and dust debris cloud cloud not have been produced by those floors. For comparison the original LERA shot is added --> Thus if that giant cloud of dust and debris were to come from anywhere, with the velocity it needed to keep rolling for miles, it would have to all be placed at the top of the Towers, IMO. Outstanding thread Zolta! Cheers- Phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

8 Sep 2010 , 20:09 PM	#5
~~VonZolta~~ Join Date: 14 Jun 2010 Location: Defender of the Faith Posts: 525 Threads: 8 Thanked 733 Times in 323 Posts	What an informative response. Dead Post Last edited by VonZolta; 19 Oct 2010 at 07:18 AM.

8 Sep 2010 , 20:41 PM	#6
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Zolta, Thanks, and ya, that's what this is about. When you see something which is good, really good supposition and probability is high, to make such a great article as this. Personally I think the entire top of the WTC was filled, by and large with cement dust. Could have been 6-8-10 feet high on some floors. Great observations and great research article! Cheers- Phil BTW - Do you mind if I place the index of links in the first post? I also added to to the updated list; I think it really helps people to keep reading when they have that entire index at the end of every first new article on something new. thanx- __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

9 Sep 2010 , 04:06 AM	#10
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Jon, I am sorry for being short with you. I am going to bed. I really didn't mean to be offensive to you, and was. Hope you accept my apologies. Good nite- phil I worked thousands of hours this year to provide all this research for people. And did it to the detriment of my job, which I no longer have, and many other sacrifices which hardly anyone else I know has made or would even be willing to make. And spent the day attending idiots here which came to ruin my work and year long goal of launching all this new research. So I am broke, have no paycheck, no life but this, worked thousands of hours this year for this day coming, with very little thanks, not two nickels to scratch together. So cut me some slack please if a post or two might seem harsh. Wasn't intended. 9/11 has always stresses me out, takes all my time, and frustrates the hell out of me. And to think I sacrificed so much this year for this day. Kind of a waste....But then, that's from the perspective of the person who brought this all to you and everyone else. I'll be honest. Its been a crummy day and a crummy week and a crummy month. After after having spent thousands of hours trying to prepare all that I could am starting to feel a total letdown. That's why I banned birdie. Because I'll be damned if someone is going to come here after me spending the entire year preparing for 911 and and piss all over my picasso after sacrificing everything to make it. __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

8 Sep 2010 , 17:34 PM	#3
Jon Simon Moderator Join Date: 4 May 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,627 Threads: 315 Thanked 366 Times in 152 Posts	This "concrete bag" hypothesis is very interesting but I'm on the fence. Surely there was enough concrete in each building's 110 floor 4" floor slabs to account for 1) the amount of dust we saw and 2) the lack of concrete chunks in the piles reported by numerous individuals; they reported the concrete mostly being piles of fine dust. I suppose it would have added to the effects to line the outer walls (near the windows) with concrete bags. If they were anywhere that's where I would suspect they would be to create the best effect. Anywhere closer to the center of the building I think they would dampen the explosives forces? Or maybe not. Interesting in any case. Jon

9 Sep 2010 , 01:32 AM	#7
Jon Simon Moderator Join Date: 4 May 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,627 Threads: 315 Thanked 366 Times in 152 Posts	I've been thinking about this thread's angle all night and it's starting to perplex me more and more. My basic feeling is: I would not put it past them to enhance the show somehow and the more I look pictures of the "collapses" the more I wonder in that direction. I'm having serious problems though on the towers missing floors or being mostly vacant structures. 1) Wouldn't missing floors present significant structural integrity issues? Wouldn't there be stories from construction workers about floors they were asked not to put in? Am I mis-understanding the research here? 2) I agree the towers were gutted in every possible way prior to 9/11 but if the towers were mostly vacant on 9/11, I believe they probably started to wind the occupancies down in the previous couple years; not the towers complete life-span (not sure if that's being claimed here now). I would think there was too much prime office space to not rent every available floor out if they could. 3) Finally, I'm convinced there were people on upper floors when the planes hit. Pictures someone posted in a .zip file of the ground prior to first tower's "collapse" shows some gruesome body stuff. So I'm not entirely satisfied on the building "actors acting as victims" angle yet. Can someone please tell me when this picture was taken? Was this close to 9/11/01? Jon

9 Sep 2010 , 01:53 AM	#9
Jon Simon Moderator Join Date: 4 May 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,627 Threads: 315 Thanked 366 Times in 152 Posts	Yeah, that may be, Phil. I have said many times to myself and other people in the last year or so that I believe that the towers were built specifically for 9/11. So, given that line of thinking, anything is possible. Jon