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Excellent categories but where did they get the photos of the fake people from? That's what you have to investigate next.
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People who were 'offed' intentionally
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I agree with VolZolta. #9 should be those that were murdered. John O'Neill is a clear case. We can add the Pentagon budget analysts that were looking into the missing $2.3 trillion. I think that was 39 people. Could also add in this category the Navy Operations Center people killed at the Pentagon. Anybody who died at the Pentagon was supposed to die - in reality, or a faked death.
#10 should be the real accidental victims. Phil brought this up in his interview with Jim Fetzer while discussing the NY death certificates. Only 3 normal death certificates were issued in NY. Maybe those 3 were killed truly by accident. __________________
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Great work and thanks VonZolta and The Surgeon. I added three categories to the list, now at 11 possibilities.
Types of fake terror victims on 911 1. Complete fakes- Operation Northwoods style total fictions 2. Fake relatives of operatives- made up aliases, added to the "family" of spooks and insiders, so that the "spook relatives" can play roles conducive to backing up the lie 3. Real people, spooks reassigned- deep cover agents, put on the list to neatly end their service or specific assignment, with no trail or loose ends 4. Real people, connected, reassigned- people connected to the network, wishing to start over, disappear, for various reasons 5. Real people, in trouble, voluntarily reassigned- real people who were at risk of prosecution, who escaped by joining the victims list 6. Real people, in trouble, coerced, reassigned- real people offered a "deal" to avoid prosecution, by aiding in the victims fraud 7. Real people, connected, terminally ill- instead of just dying, why not be a 911 hero, setting up your family to use it to further you favorite cause, political or otherwise. 8. Real people, long dead- like the fake identity creators, borrow the identity of someone long dead, resurrect them to die again as a victim, with or without cooperation of family members 9. Real people, intentionally murdered- beforehand, included on the list to cover it up 10. Real people, intentionally murdered- sacrificed during the demolition 11. Real people, accidental victims- unintended collateral damage BTW, Jack, as far as the pictures, Phil's photo research in February and March is where all of this started. Here's a good place to start with that. http://letsrollforums.com/911-distur...im-t21279.html l __________________
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Fabricated Identities
Fabricated Identities
See my original post: http://letsrollforums.com/fl-93-mark...384#post182384 From a post I made at AboveTopSecret I made a few days ago in a thread where Phil had posted a thread on passenger look-a-likes. My own research into the passengers shows that many appear to have falsified identifies and backgrounds. This is particularly true of Flight 93 that supposedly crashed in Shanksville. One of my main sources for research was "Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back" by Jere Longman. Signs of Fabricated Identities The backgrounds of many of the passengers have telltale signs of fabricated identities: • Attending the same school • Worked for the same employer • Lived on the same street or in the same neighborhood • Often from broken homes, missing one parent • Family moved frequently • Were towards the bottom of the economic ladder (fewer financial records to construct: property ownership, new car purchases, credit cards, bank loans, etc.) Creating "Legends" These are all signs of "legends" -- fabricated identities. When identities are created, they are done at many levels. The deeper the level, the more investment in money, time and years are required. The depth of a legend depends on the anticipated amount of scrutiny the falsified identity is expected to undergo. Infiltrating as a spy an intelligence agency: the deepest level -- they have dedicated counter-intelligence teams and huge resources. Infiltrating the Outlaw biker gang: very deep level -- they have an excellent counter-intelligence program and demand years and years of documents. Witness Protection Program: deep level -- mobsters and hit men after you. Posing as a businessman to obtain some commercial information: shallow level -- legitimate business to front for you and a business card. Creating "legends" requires work, time and money. The depth of the legend (the ability to withstand multiple layers of scrutiny) is directly proportional to the investment required. Some legends cost over a million dollars to produce. Participants, both witting and unwitting, are required to insert school records, credit reports, employment records, appearance of living at a location, etc. etc. When there is an available participant, the opportunity is usually used for inserting/creating records for multiple "legends" -- saves time and money. Also, agents (whether they work for the government, private agencies and even corporations) have to manage and perform this work. Much more convenient to rent two houses on the same street or neighborhood to perform the actions that make it appear someone lives there. Flights 93 & 77 I am not saying that ALL of the Flight 93 passengers have fabricated identities. What I am saying is that MANY of the passengers have a statistically improbable number of shared backgrounds and tell tale signs of "legends". Lets discuss the lie of the bogus phone calls from Flight 93. They didn't happen because its not possible for a cell phone to make a call from that altitude and speed. Same for Barbara Olsen's phone call from Flight 77 to husband Ted, Solicitor General -- first it was two phone calls from a cell phone (not possible), then one call from AirPhone (not available on that plane) and finally the government said one call of -0- seconds that didn't connect. Story changed each time the lie was debunked. lies. So if the phone calls were lies, what about the passengers? Many of the passengers appear to be lies also. __________________
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How about people who died afterwards-like Barry Jennings, the Johanneman character who was a worker at the wtc and others who have suspiciously fallen ill and tragically died.
Perhaps the next line would be those killed after the Anthrax Attacks. But that is probably best for later on. |
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1. Complete fakes- Operation Northwoods style total fictions
2. Fake relatives of operatives- made up aliases, added to the "family" of spooks and insiders, so that the "spook relatives" can play roles conducive to backing up the lie 3. Real people, spooks reassigned- deep cover agents, put on the list to neatly end their service or specific assignment, with no trail or loose ends Love these first 3....definitely most of them from these 3... 4. Real people, connected, reassigned- people connected to the network, wishing to start over, disappear, for various reasons 5. Real people, in trouble, voluntarily reassigned- real people who were at risk of prosecution, who escaped by joining the victims list These would have to be non-inclusive...meaning they did not know of the full operation....till afterwards. They're told of their basic assignment..which was a lie, then briefed afterwards. They'd be a liability if they were involved from the start... 6. Real people, in trouble, coerced, reassigned- real people offered a "deal" to avoid prosecution, by aiding in the victims fraud Yep...can buy that...again though...they'd be not in the loop till after 7. Real people, connected, terminally ill- instead of just dying, why not be a 911 hero, setting up your family to use it to further you favorite cause, political or otherwise. No...not buying this one.... 8. Real people, long dead- like the fake identity creators, borrow the identity of someone long dead, resurrect them to die again as a victim, with or without cooperation of family members Yes...think about how many people are out there with NO family... I believe the FLIGHT victims and perhaps Pentagon victims were frauds and/or some real....but not the people in the towers or on the ground. they were collateral damage. Wiped out for the "betterment of the country" But how did they pull off the family of the frauds? Like Lisa beamer and Mark Bingham guy? I'm not buying for one minute that there were paid actors in on this. I will continue to assert that TOO MANY PEOPLE involved in an operation like this would never be allowed and would be a serious liability. The notion that there are/were hundreds or thousands of people in on this, is beyond absurd. There might be hundreds in on the COVER UP...but not the planned operation. The flight victims was always an issue for me....but now we see, just like a good magic trick...its much easier than it looks... |
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Rings, perhaps you can start a thread (instead of hijacking a research thread) compiling all of the tangible evidence that there were people in the towers on 911.
Show us some video of the "evacuation". There is none You can and will "continue to assert" these things, but where's the evidence. We have searched the NIST photos, the media accounts, and there is simply no evidence that anyone was working in the towers at all. There were no contents in the building, so continue to assert that these people were in the towers, sitting on the floors (where there were floors), with no desks, phones computers, etc.. We have shown tangible, incontrivertable evidence that the towers were emptied, gutted, and prepared for a demolition well in advance of 911. It is your prerogative to ignore all that, but the 20,000 people working in the towers will continue to exist only in the mind of those who refuse to look at the hard evidence. At this point, with all the fakes we've proven (even amongst the WTC "victims"), you might as well continue to assert the reality of the Easter Bunny. l __________________
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