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Old 15 Aug 2004 , 21:18 PM   #11
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...Waldo?

Been reading up on this Dov guy. I must say he fits the profile. He went to "Zionist summer camp" as a kid (no joke), and has been deep in shadowy defense circles since Reagan....
Waldo (Note: no passenger windows)

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/

Waldo, is the name phil gave to the missing Tanker Transport / Fuel Cargo plane prototype which later showed up with a missile delivery system at the south tower of the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001.

The pic above, though we are supposed to consider it an "artists rendering" is, I believe an image of a real plane photoshopped a bit (wings look painted), and then cropped in over the fake background, as was the jet fighter(s). Seemed they went to some lengths to give this impression. The background artists rendering over which the real (though perhaps touched up) plane was based on this photo (below), also on their website. Seems like a lot of trouble to go through (for the artist) in order to bolster the notion that the Tanker Transport image was entirely an artists rendering.



I first discovered this after a visit to Boeing's site where they were advertizing (since removed) the Tanker Transport aircraft, and that was back in December of 2002 or January 2003, so it's inconclusive as to when the image, and the site for that matter, first appeared.

Needless to say, everything was in place to make it by September 2001, and one would presume that there was a prototype out there somewhere. Making one disappear however, now that would take some heavy duty book cooking. Oh, wasn't this Zakheim the Comptroller at the Pentagon as well? Yes, that's right, and it was the DOD who were going to lease these Tankers from Boeing!

Interesting.
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Old 15 Aug 2004 , 21:23 PM   #12
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Based on what I've read, the system is very portable/scaleable/customizable...so it could certainly be set up anywhere(say WTC7). Although if this system was used on 9/11 they would certainly have gone the multiple transmitter route. The components are housed in standard rackspace, so it looks about as difficult to move and set up as music gear.
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Old 15 Aug 2004 , 21:43 PM   #13
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Thanks for that info rabbit. Very interesting.

With respect to the above (Waldo), please consider
this famous pic once again

And note the dark circle under the tail, what we call the refueling boom port circle or cover, where the refueling boom was removed.
Now some have stated that this circle is the mount for an avionics blade antenna, which is perhaps plausible. However, flight 175 was supposed to be a Boeing 767-*222* and in NO CASE - does that aircraft posses such a device. Somewhere in here, Locutus has found the actual plane itself (flight 175), which can be found at www.airliners.net if you run through enough images, it's there, along with a description of the actual aircraft (175). Might want to bookmark that for future reference eh?

See this graphic (look closely) of an Airbus 330-200 tanker

and you'll know what we're referring to. It's that small dark hole under the fish's tail, so to speak.

Btw, here are the two original CNN videos.
http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/...s.cnn.med.html
(requires Real Player to view)

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/...h.cnn.med.html
Note the explosion at the end - how truly MASSIVE it really is!


It obviously wasn't a "Sweet Deal" for the 3000 who died that day. Ironic, the towers in the foreground as seen from JFK. The no windows in this photograph we determined from the airliners.net image from which it came originally - are simply lost in the sunset reflection, so in this case we are not looking at a KC-767 but at a regular Boeing 767-200 or 222 probably, since it was used for the add.
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Old 15 Aug 2004 , 22:42 PM   #14
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Well the majority will go with the version of events trumpeted the loudest, and repeated the most. No surprise there.

I would still tend to believe the planes that crashed were not the planes we're told they were even without a shred of photographic or video evidence. For poorly trained Arabs to overpower a plane's crew, drop their craft down from 30,00 feet, pulling massive Gs in the process, orient it, then not only find their way to New York City, but to hit their targets dead on seems implausible to me.


I agree that the Zakheim angle is a great lead, and deserves further attention.
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Old 15 Aug 2004 , 23:04 PM   #15
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Richard Perle (Prince of Darkness) is involved as well.

Here's just a few good articles I found Googling for "Richard Perle" Tanker Boeing.

http://www.independent-media.tv/item...ichard%20Perle

http://www.americaforsale.org/perle.php

http://www.independent-media.tv/gtheme.cfm?ftheme_id=38

http://www.independent-media.tv/item...ichard%20Perle

Article - 2003-12-17
IMTV - This is in relation to the Pentagon Advisory Board members (including Perle) who were receiving money from Boeing, and lobbying congressman to support this, at the same time advising the President to go to war - ''The Pentagon has refused to release documents to the Senate Commerce Committee investigating a Defense Department contract to lease, then buy, Boeing Co. refueling tankers.''
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Old 16 Aug 2004 , 14:56 PM   #16
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Jables,
The Republican connection is good, but yeah, I think you may be heading off on a tangent there.

Keep looking into Aviation General, and see if you can find out anything more about *Strategic Jet*. That it disappeared in 2002 may be relevant. Why did Aviation General dump it? And what exactly did it do?
Strategic Jet "sold refurbished aircraft and provided advisory services to aircraft buyers and sellers." Why they were dump, I'm not sure yet, but I'll keep looking into it.

I did find an interesting tidbit though. Dan Cretsinger, who now works for an aircraft appraisal company, was the President of Strategic Jet Services. He also held manigerial positions with the FAA and the USAF.
http://www.aircraftappraisals.net/company_profile.htm
Something occured to me earlier today. Sometimes these things kind of percolate in the background and then...inspiration!


We have established that the plane which hit the south tower was not a normal Boeing, and that it was not flight 175 which has dissapeared.

The logical implication then, is that this reconfigured high precision engineered plane came from somewhere other than through the normal channels ie. directly from Boeing's plant and as one of the United Airlines fleet (flight 175) [post pic and description here from airliners/net]

Now, while Dov Zakheim WAS in fact the Comptroller at the Pentagon from May 2001 through 911, even still, making a Boeing plane disappear, even in collaboration with his and Perle's friends at Boeing would not be easy (though they are refusing to open up much of those books for review as per the posts above).

From the Tanker Transport info we have seen that the Cargo version (and the "Combi" variant) are in fact, re-engineered/reconfirgured variants of the already manufactured Boeing 767-200, and 300 (Spain)
see: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc767/ for more info

So maybe, this actual missile firing fuel cargo/tanker aircraft originated from somewhere else other than the normal channels ie: the missing KC-767 prototype sometimes fondly referred to as Waldo.

If so, who better than the president of Strategic Jet, one Dan Cretsinger, working with this Walker the 3rd fellow (another relative of Bush?), who was the CEO of Aviation General AND director of Kuwait-American AND one time CEO of that security company, Securacom/Stratesec,
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
which Bush's brother was on the board of 'til 2000 that handled the security at the WTC (full knowledge of the building) - who better than him and Strategic Jet and Walker - to seek out and find a low profile, unaccounted for Boeing to undergo the transformation??? If it in fact had no passenger windows, then that would make it a cargo plane.

Sure it may be somewhat speculative, but the interconnections are all there...

It would be interesting to know if Walker or Cretsinger or both are/were linked to Dov Zakhiem.
http://www.conspiracynewsnet.com/shadow.html
Systems Planning Corporation
http://www.sysplan.com/
Command Transmitter System
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/CTS
Through Bush's brother, both were linked to Bush and Bush Sr. (and Bush Sr. to Cheney) and to that Kuwaiti Royal, the companies themselves very likely established in the immediate aftermath of Gulf War one as a type of repayment of gratitude to Bush Sr. and Cheney, who served as Bush Sr.'s secretary of defence if I'm not mistaken.

See recent posts (pages 7, 8 and 9) of
9-11 The Explosive Truth Revealed - Controlled Demos at WTC for additional info.

If it can be established conclusively that Systems Planning Corporation was intimately involved in the War Games of 911, and if a link can be made between Dov Kakheim, and Walker and Cretsinger, well, the link is made through the Bush family isn't it? - then a chain of connectedness may be seen evolving here...

Story developing...
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Old 16 Aug 2004 , 15:53 PM   #17
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HERE SHE IS!

Actual Flight 175

Medium
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/205074/M/
Large
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/205074/L/

Aircraft Taken at
More: United Airlines
More: Boeing 767-222
More: New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK)
More: USA - New York, April 28, 2001

Remark
N612UA (cn 21873/41) On September 11, 2001, this aircraft was hijacked by terrorist swine and crashed in the south tower of New York's World Trade Center. RIP.
Photographer: Bill Hough
Contact Bill Hough

Could someone order this and make a JPEG of it please? This will prove very helpful for comparative purposes.

Two things of note:

1) Blade antenna(s) are not nearly large enough to account for what phil is describing as vapour producing jetsprays (I agree with that assessment now, I think)
2) No avionics blade antenna at the rear under the tail where we see what we believe is a refueling boom port.

Locutus first found this back in early June.
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Old 16 Aug 2004 , 15:57 PM   #18
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With respect to the above (Waldo), please consider
this famous pic once again

And note the dark circle under the tail, what we call the refueling boom port circle or cover, where the refueling boom was removed.
Now some have stated that this circle is the mount for an avionics blade antenna, which is perhaps plausible. However, flight 175 was supposed to be a Boeing 767-*222* and in NO CASE - does that aircraft posses such a device. Somewhere in here, Locutus has found the actual plane itself (flight 175), which can be found at www.airliners.net if you run through enough images, it's there, along with a description of the actual aircraft (175). Might want to bookmark that for future reference eh?

See this graphic (look closely) of an Airbus 330-200 tanker

and you'll know what we're referring to. It's that small dark hole under the fish's tail, so to speak.

Btw, here are the two original CNN videos.
http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/...s.cnn.med.html
(requires Real Player to view)

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/...h.cnn.med.html
Note the explosion at the end - how truly MASSIVE it really is!
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Old 16 Aug 2004 , 16:11 PM   #19
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Two more quick observations with respect to the above blowup of this rather prolific news photograph


1) Left wing and tail wing vanishing ie: 2 Jetsprays=Vaporbarrier
(see Even Fairbanks image and video for further confirmation and comparative analysis from upward angle at the base of the tower, which ALSO shows the pod btw.
2) Wheel well area:
Wheel well is UNCOVERED, and I believe it shows both wheels (see two light grey smudges in blowup above, and below)
- the entire landing (AND TAKOFF) gear system, having been completely re-engineered to get around the pod (see photos below for comparison). Why is it open? Why no doors? Good question.

I think it's open because the left wheel well door was rendered completely inoperable because of the huge pod, and so they simply left the right one off as well. This was a mistake however, since the absence of any wheelwell doors, magnifies substantially the shadow left by the pod itself - the darkness magnifying the presence of the pod as seen in the above news photo. Thus, the absence of any wheel well doors may have contributed to bringing the pod to everyone's attention, everyone with eyes to see that is. I suppose they figured that leaving both doors off would balance things off visually, as opposed to having only one door opposite the pod. Either way, they're screwed.





Now add one incendiary (ballistic?) missile, packaged with a fuel-air bomb, and the result is one Boeing 767 turned into a truly massive fuel-air bomb as you can see!
http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/...h.cnn.med.html
Note the explosion at the end - how truly MASSIVE it really is!
http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/...s.cnn.med.html
Wiley Wadical Muslims & Missiles 1
Wiley Wadical Muslims & Missiles 2
http://www.911uncovered.com/tower2.html [multiple clips at varying speeds]



What do you have to compare with, the incredulous sceptic asks?
Answer:
The first tower collision and explosion - a rather modest affair by comparison, to say the least!
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc1hit1/911.wtc.1.naudet.hit.1%20(divx%205.1).avi

Then again, all cameras were not trained on the WTC at that time, and so the fully design engineered pyrotechnic display was obviously reserved for the South Tower collision. Why waste a perfectly good fuel cargo carrying Tanker Transport when there's no one really to record the spectacular and spectacularly horrifying event?

Oh.
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Old 16 Aug 2004 , 17:26 PM   #20
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Take a peek at this plane: The bottoms look quite similar to the plane that hit the second tower..

http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...35/kc1351.html

Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker

<crosses her fingers this works>

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