Flight 175 Fraud: Timothy Ward - Exif Data 01.11.2000

Phil Jayhan · 20 Aug 2010 , 23:50 PM

Timothy Ray Ward - Alleged Flight 175 Passenger: Carefully Prepared Alias R.I.P. by; Phil Jayhan

It was a clear sunny morning when Timothy Ray Ward boarded and ill-fated flight, on a wayward course, with destiny calling his name from a distant shore. Little did he know when he boarded this flight that it's fate would lie in the hands of 5 men poised to take control of the aircraft and use it as a missile and smash it into the World Trade Center. Tim Ward, manager of Rubios Restaurants would perish, literally going out in a ball of fire. The only problem with this is that none of it is true. It was all a fictional story being broadcast to the masses on 9/11 and beyond. As we see here below with Tim Ward, his story actually ends here, today, on August the 20th, 2010. His picture, from the Web Archive of the CNN Memorial shows that the pictures Exif/IPTC data as 1/11/2000 as the picture being taken day, or the date of the last edit. The official story and fairy tale fell long ago. But with the release of this research, the fairy tale of the passengers and mock victims of 9/11 is also laid to rest.

Whats in a carefully prepared alias? After a careful examination of many of the pictures provided to us from CNN and the AP Breezewire, it can be seen that they used a variety of means and techniques for producing the carefully prepared aliases. See story here for the various categories of aliases used on 9/11 for the mock victims of 9/11. [Constructing the Victims]

There are some major issues and incriminating evidence in the digital IPTC data. And it is damning. Does anyone here think that it is a coincidence that Timothy Ray Wards picture was removed from the CNN Memorial archive, especially when we now know that the picture was prepared nearly 2 years before 911, complete with an obituary & has this information openly available in the Exif data? The original picture of Timothy Ray Ward showing the exif data of 01.11.2000 can still be viewed at the Web Archive/Timothy Ray Ward:

The picture being taken day, from our understanding is overwritten when the picture is edited, as in this case, with the white side bar which says Family Photo/AP Press and also the obituary which is embedded into the digital coding of the picture. For that picture being taken day to be anything before 9/11 is extremely damning, as long as the picture is like the one above, edited, with an obituary. This one is nearly 2 years before 9/11. Much like many in the Pentagon files. 1/11/2000.

When someone edits the picture, the IPTC data is overwritten and the picture being taken day is changed to the day of the last edit. Since this picture being taken day is 1/11/2000 it cannot be anything other then when the picture was last edited and prepared for it's 9/11 release. Nearly 2 years before 9/11!

Web Archive of CNN Memorial Picture Timothy Ward - Flight 175 - 9/11 - Lets Roll Archive on Right

Source: Web Archive CNN 9/11 MEMORIAL:

Name: Timothy Ray Ward

Age:38

Residence: San Diego, CA, United States

Occupation: information technology project manager, Rubio's Restaurants

Location: California

UA Flight 175

Related: Legacy.com tribute

Working Legacy Site NY Times "Sketch" Legacy.com Timothy Ray Ward

CNN Memorial Picture 404: 9/11 CNN Memorial Timothy Ray Ward

Web Archive CNN Memorial Picture: Timothy Ray Ward: AVAILABLE

Timothy Ward is not in the Social Security Death Index:

Victims Compensation Fund: YES (See below)

Exif/IPTC Data: 1/11/2000 (See below)

White Vertical Sidebar: YES: Family Photo/AP

Updated: March 10, 2002

Timothy Ward as you can see from the screen-shot below is listed in the Victims Compensation Fund Final Report: We were also unable to locate any records in the Social Security Death Index for Timothy Ray Ward. (SSDI)

Here we see the pattern that Larry wrote about in his NY Times Victims Fraud Fraud article. Purely emotional and meant to make you hurt and cry and feel all the pain, to draw you in and cater to your feelings and fears. Here we see Tim Ward was a "Valentines day child." Touching. The very reason for these NY Times "sketches" was to draw people away from critical thought and cause them to make all their decisions based upon their feelings and emotions.It was devious, clever, and extremely effective.

Whether Tim Ward is a real person, a fiction, someone dead before 9/11 or someone who wanted to disappear and was connected to the network, or various other categories of carefully crafted aliases we cannot say. But it is certain that Timothy Ray Ward did not die on 9/11, on Flight 175 at the World Trade Center as we were told. That was a lie. It never happened.

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Timothy Wards Legacy page:

Original link:
Timothy Ray Ward

United Flight 175

The Valentine's Child

Timothy Ray Ward came into the world on Valentine's Day in 1963, and immediately became the love of his mother's life. "He was everything to me," said his mother, Susie Ward Baker.

Mr. Ward, 38, lived in Scripps Ranch, Calif., with his longtime companion, Linda Brewton, and worked for Rubio's Baja Grill, a chain of Mexican restaurants based in Carlsbad, Calif. He was a systems administrator overseeing the chain's computer networks. On Sept. 11, he was aboard United Airlines Flight 175, heading home from a long weekend on the East Coast.

The tall, blond Mr. Ward loved animals, his mother said, starting with his shaggy white West Highland terrier, Sherman. He was a devoted fan of the San Diego State Aztecs, and would travel around to their football games even after he graduated. At the tailgate parties, people knew to check out what Mr. Ward was serving. He was an accomplished cook, who might pack two kinds of caviar in his picnic basket, along with a chocolate confection he had whipped up himself.

Next year, Valentine's Day will be painful for his mother. "I usually bought him a heart-shaped cake," she said.

Profile published in THE NEW YORK TIMES on November 16, 2001.

May the Fictional Story of Timothy Ray Ward R.I.P. 8/20/2010

by; Phil Jayhan - staff writer for the Lets Roll Liberty Gazette Copyright 2010

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PTC Metadata:

EXIF Data Similarities - VERY REVEALING INFORMATION

Video: Fraudulence on 9/11

Death Certificate #0001:

The Strange Story of Father Mychal Judge: Death Certificate # 0001 on 9/11

Social Security Death Payments & Other SSDI Related Evidence

Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims

The Hollow Towers & Pre-Demolition of WTC:

Fireman Actors on 9/11:

Fireman Joe Casaliggi: Professional Actor - Also on 9/11?

Stand In Actors on 9/11:

9/11 Stand In Actors.

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Media Complicity and Fraud:

Media 9/11 Memorial Frauds:

The 9/11 Memorial Wall:

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**The Surgeon** · 21 Aug 2010 , 06:48 AM

More Damning Evidence in the 9/11 Victim Timothy Ward Story Creation

Photo NOT in Newspaper Article

The "original owner" of Timothy Ward's photo is the San Diego Union-Tribune. The article which includes Timothy's story does not include his photograph.

This is the only story found in the San Diego Union-Tribune that mentions this Timothy Ward (there are two other articles from 2006 and 2008 about other Timothy Wards).

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/new...n12sdvics.html

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Some families lose loved ones; others hold on to hope

By Chet Barfield
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER September 12, 2001

<snip>
One San Diegan known to have been killed in the attacks was Timothy Ward, an executive with Rubio's Restaurants Inc. Robert Rubio said Ward was on the second plane that crashed into the World Trade Center.
<snip>
Timothy Ward, a 14-year-veteran and project manager in the information technology department at Carlsbad-based Rubio's Restaurants Inc.
He was aboard United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles, which crashed into World Trade Center, company officials said Wednesday.
"The only thing we can really say right now is that, obviously, we're in a terrible state of sadness and our thoughts are with the family," said Alison Glenn Delaney of Rubio's.

EXIF and IPTC Data Similar to Other Prepared Victims

Compare Timothy Ward's EXIF and IPTC data to Dora Menchada's data ...

The EXIF data is almost identical for all fields.

The IPTC data shows that while the photos supposedly are supplied by two different newspapers, some data is the same:

• Caption manufacturer both have the initials "DB".

Note: The AP Photos Members Guide Information instructions clearly state that these are the initials of the photographer, or person supplying the photo to AP.

• Subtitle has the family name only and in all CAPS: WARD - MENCHACA

• Title is the same: ATTACKS VICTIMS

• The upload numbers (look in Unknown (199)) are close: 172188 and 173480

**do2read** · 21 Aug 2010 , 12:16 PM

I remembered seeing a series of articles about Tim's mom Susie Ward and her valiant battle for her son's Remains.

link: http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_29...ersecures.html

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Volume 21, Number 29 | The Newspaper of Lower Manhattan | Nov. 28 - Dec. 4, 2008

Photos courtesy of Susanne Ward-Bake

Timothy Ray Ward, 38, posed for a picture with the Twin Towers in May 2001, four months before his plane crashed into the towers. At right, Ward with his mother, Susanne Ward-Baker, who has set up a memorial to her son in her home.

Mother secures son’s remains after 7-year bureaucratic sna

By Julie Shapiro

For seven years, 3,000 miles stood between Susanne Ward-Baker and her son Timothy’s remains.

Timothy Ray Ward, 38, was flying from Boston to Los Angeles on the morning of 9/11, on United Airlines Flight 175. After the plane slammed into the World Trade Center, all that was found of Ward were three shards of bone.

For seven years, those three pieces of bone sat in a Ziploc bag in a freezer at the New York City Medical Examiner’s office, waiting to be claimed. For seven years, Ward-Baker made phone calls to New York from her house in San Diego, searching a way to bring her son home.

“I’m just a mother who wants my son’s little teeny pieces of bone with me,” Ward-Baker told Downtown Express several weeks ago, beginning to cry during a telephone interview.

Ward-Baker, 67, finally got her wish on Nov. 14, when a seven-year impasse ended and her son’s remains arrived.

Last week Ward-Baker sat in her home in San Diego looking at the cherry wood box containing what’s left of her son, reflecting on the years of being separated from him.

“I can’t believe what-all I’ve been through,” she said. “I just can’t believe this is real.”

The Medical Examiner’s office identified Tim Ward several months after 9/11. While for many families, the identification of remains marked the beginning of closure, for Ward-Baker, it marked the beginning of a seemingly impossible struggle. Funeral homes quoted prices in the thousands of dollars to transport Ward’s remains, and lawyers told her the pieces of bone would have to be cremated, an idea Ward-Baker could not stand.

“They’ve already been cremated,” she said, referring to the conflagration when his plane hit the South Tower. “Why do they want to burn my son’s little tiny bones?”

Ward-Baker said one funeral home she called said they would need to use a hearse and stretcher to transport her son’s remains, necessitating a $3,500 price tag. She tried to explain that there was no corpse, only three bones, but they were rude and inflexible, she said.

“You can pick my son up in a rickshaw, as long as he’s treated with respect,” Ward-Baker said, her voice brightening momentarily. “He’d get a kick out of that.”

But she quickly turned serious again.

“It’s not even about the money,” she said. “It’s about these mortuaries trying to make a great big profit off of tiny shreds of bone.”

Ellen Borakove, spokesperson for the New York City Medical Examiner, said she had never heard of another battle like Ward-Baker’s. Of the 2,751 people killed at the World Trade Center on 9/11, 1,622 people have been identified. The city is still holding thousands of remains that have not been identified, along with many identified remains. But the city usually only holds identified remains if the family wants to wait to claim them or wants them to eventually be placed in the 9/11 memorial, Borakove said.

Leslie Francisco, owner of Francisco Funeral Home in Ozone Park, was horrified to hear of Ward-Baker’s struggle. She worked with the Medical Examiner’s office after 9/11, a particularly sensitive issue for her because her son was a paramedic with the Fire Department who rushed to the burning towers. He survived, but his partner in Tower 2 did not.

“There is no law saying a funeral home can’t charge full cost for this, but I would never do that to a 9/11 victim,” Francisco said.

The other funeral homes were thinking of Ward’s remains as though they were a complete body, in which case they would have to be embalmed or cremated in order to be shipped.

“But we’re not talking about a normal circumstance — we’re talking about three bone fragments,” Francisco said. “They’re going by the letter of the law because technically that puts more dollars in their pocket.”

Ward-Baker said a month ago she had all but lost hope that she and her son would be reunited. Then Francisco told Downtown Express she would do the job for minimal costs, but that turned out not to be necessary. Around the same time, Ward-Baker remembered an old friend she hadn’t spoken to in years, who had once been a medical examiner in San Diego.

Several weeks ago, he put her in touch with Dan Williams, a manager at Greenwood Memorial Park and Mortuary in Southern California.

“When I heard her story, it was heartbreaking,” Williams said. “To think she’s waited as long as she has, and come up against obstacle after obstacle… She needed to have some closure. She needs to have Tim home.”

Williams made a few calls and found an affiliate in New York City owned by his company. Charles Salomon, president of Riverside Memorial Chapel on the Upper West Side, agreed to help on the spot, and he promised not to charge any extra fees

“We recognize the tragedy — we’re not here to capitalize on that sort of thing,” Salomon said. “It’s an opportunity to step forward, be part of the community and act accordingly.”

Once Williams and Salomon were on board, everything began happening quickly. Salomon picked up the remains at the Medical Examiner’s office and shipped them to Williams, where they arrived two weeks ago. Greenwood Mortuary drove Ward’s remains to his mother’s house on Nov. 14, finally bringing him home. The total cost for paperwork, shipping and an engraved box came to a little over $400.

“It feels wonderful,” Ward-Baker said, though she choked up as she described memories of her son.

Tim Ward was an only child, born on Valentine’s Day in 1963. He was an agreeable boy who loved playing any sport, from flag football to baseball. Tall and blond, he played varsity basketball in high school and was voted president of his class. At San Diego State, Ward studied computer science and rooted for the football team — a tradition he continued after graduation, when he traveled around the country to see the team play as often as he could.

After college, Ward went to work at Rubio’s, a Mexican food chain based in Southern California. He started as a manager at one of the restaurants and rose to a computer systems analyst in the corporate office.

As a young boy, Ward liked helping his mother cook, a hobby he continued as he grew. He whipped up gourmet dishes with caviar and once cooked a wild turkey for Thanksgiving. Ward would bring Caesar salad and marinated chicken to football tailgates, and his homemade cheesecakes were the center of any gathering.

Ward himself, though, preferred to stay out of the limelight, his mother recalled. He could carry on a conversation but didn’t like it to be only about him. He never yelled at anyone at work, to the point where his boss once urged him to get angry.

Ward took a trip to New York City in May of 2001, where he was photographed with the Lower Manhattan skyline in the background, the Trade Center towers standing eerily behind him. He returned to the East Coast several months later to visit his girlfriend of 12 years, who was in Boston on a business trip. From Boston, he wired his grandmother a bouquet of flowers on Sept. 9, Grandparents’ Day. On the morning of Sept. 11, he boarded United Airlines Flight 175, bound home to Southern California.

In the wake of 9/11 and the years that followed, Ward’s friends and relatives have left comments on an online guest book, describing his smile and gentle manner, promising to remember him.

“He was such a sweet guy...fiercely loyal to his friends...the kind of guy who would come pick you up at the airport or let you crash on his couch without thinking twice,” wrote Michele Hintz, a former co-worker.

Last week, Ward-Baker recounted standing in front of her home in Escondido, Calif. on Nov. 14, her long wait nearly over, the Greenwood Mortuary about to arrive with her son’s remains. She and a friend placed four American flags in the planter outside her front door, beneath the larger American flag flying above.

“It looked like the president was coming or something,” Ward-Baker said.

The car from the funeral home pulled up, and one of the men told Ward-Baker to wait inside the house. After a moment, he followed her and placed the canister before her on the island in her kitchen.

“I just went up to it and put it in my arms and held it close to my heart,” Ward-Baker recalled, her voice faltering. “I got a little emotional, then I was okay. I’ve been gearing myself up for this — not to collapse.”

The three pieces of bone are in a cherry wood box, engraved with Ward’s name, dates of birth and death, and the flight number. Ward-Baker placed the box in a memorial she created years earlier, a hutch filled with photographs of Ward, American flags, cards from school children and a piece of W.T.C. steel.

When Ward-Baker dies, she plans to be cremated and have her remains placed with her son’s.

While Ward-Baker said it has been a relief and a blessing to have her son’s remains at home, her sense of loss still feels fresh at times. The other night she dreamed her son was alive and they were laughing together, over something she doesn’t remember. In the morning, Ward-Baker had trouble leaving her bed.

“I didn’t want to get up,” she said. “I wanted to go back to dreaming about it.”

Julie@DowntownExpress.com

She got special 911 permission to keep her son's bones.

And some people accuse us of being tacky and in bad taste.

If this story were true it would be an outrage. You can't make conversation pieces out of people's remains. You can't go around wearing a fingerbone necklace like cannibals, this is allegedly a man's Mortal Remains.

This woman's story is morbid and creepy, unless it's a crock.

I vote Crock.

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~~VonZolta~~ · 21 Aug 2010 , 13:58 PM

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**clive** · 21 Aug 2010 , 16:24 PM

Huueeyy!! said like someone throwing up

**do2read** · 21 Aug 2010 , 20:43 PM

Susie Ward Baker fought hard for a long time to receive her son's precious remains. They were very important to her. So important that she creepily keeps them in a "shrine" in her house.

There are only two facts to know about these remains. One is that they are bone fragments.

The other is how many there were.

In the story posted above, she receives 3 bone fragments.

In the story posted below, she clearly receives 4 bone fragments.

Only two facts related to her son's remains and she is inconsistent on one.

Link: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2.../?zIndex=63227

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A long, sad homecoming

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After 9/11 took her son's life, mother endured 7-year wait for return of his remains

By Jane Clifford
Sunday, March 8, 2009 at 3 a.m.

/ John Gastaldo / Union-Tribune
Susanne Ward-Baker created a testament to her son Tim's life, and death, in a cabinet in her Escondido home, including a photo taken by Tim's girlfriend Linda Brewton in May 2001.

- Laura Embry / Union-Tribune
Dan Williams, of Greenwood Memorial Park, helped Ward-Baker get her son’s remains home.

Timothy Ray Ward

Susanne Ward-Baker stood on the back porch of her Escondido home and beamed as brightly as the morning sun one day last week. It had been a long seven years. She worried she’d never get her son home. But he’s here now.
Ward-Baker walked to the china cabinet in her living room, opened the glass doors and lovingly lifted the dark cherry wood box, with its engraved brass plate.
Timothy Ray Ward … February 14, 1963 — September 11, 2001 … United Airlines Flight #175
Like so many thousands of family members, Ward-Baker and Tim’s father, Ray Ward of Visalia, sent saliva swabs to the New York City Medical Examiner’s Office in case any of Tim’s remains were found. By the end of that year, his mother’s DNA helped identify four of his bone fragments.
“I wanted them to stay there for a while,” she recalled. “They were still finding remains.”
She had no idea she would wait nearly seven years to get them back.
Just like she had no idea, on the morning of Sept. 11, that her only child was on the plane that crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center.
“I was sleeping,” she said. “My mother called me and told me to turn on the TV.”
She watched in horror and then she thought about Tim.
“I knew he had gone out of town. I didn’t know where. I got this feeling in my stomach. I knew something was wrong.”
She went to the phone and called Rubio’s corporate offices where Tim, a computer specialist, was an executive.
“When they answered, I said, ‘Hello, this is Tim Ward’s mom’ and the young lady who answered the phone just said, ‘Oh, just a minute please’ and put someone else on the phone.”
Tim had gone to Boston for the weekend with his girlfriend, but he had given Rubio’s his itinerary in case of a work emergency. He flew out Tuesday morning; his girlfriend stayed for a conference. After the planes crashed, Rubio’s checked Tim’s itinerary. They gently confirmed his mother’s fears.
• • •
When Ward-Baker was ready to bring Tim’s remains home after a year, she called the medical examiner’s office to find out the procedure. She would need to make arrangements with a New York City mortuary for pickup, preparation and shipment of four small packs, each containing a bone fragment.
“I called two different mortuaries, many times,” she recalled. “They told me they would go pick up his remains in a hearse. They would have to put them on a stretcher to take them from medical examiner’s office to the hearse. And he would have to be cremated.
“The cost would be going on $4,000,” she said, the anger rushing back. “I told them, ‘You do not need to do that. And you will not cremate my son’s bones. You will not.’”
She looked away, her eyes glistening.
“He had already been vaporized.”
She fought that for years. At one point, her Realtor was going to New York, so Ward-Barker sent a signed letter with the woman asking that the bones be released to her. Even the Realtor’s nephew, a New York attorney, tried to intervene.
“I kept running into dead ends,” Ward-Baker said.
She finally was able able to push down her crushing fear of getting on a plane and went to New York herself two years ago with her cousin, Michael Paige, who was her moral support.
“We toured the church,” she said referring to the memorial exhibit at St. Paul’s Chapel, part of Trinity Church just across the street from ground zero. “It was hard, it was really hard. To go down in there would have been even harder.”
And she made a stop at the medical examiner’s office, talked in person to the people she’d talked to so often on the phone.
“I was right on the other side of the wall from where Tim’s remains were being kept,” she said.
Everyone was nice about it but no one could do anything.
“I wanted to scream, ‘You can’t do this to me!’ ”
• • •
Another anniversary of 9/11 passed. In October, she thought of Dan Matticks, a friend who had retired from the San Diego County Medical Examiner’s office. She hadn’t talked to him for years, but maybe he could do something.
He put her in touch with Dan Williams.
“If anyone can help you, this man can,” Mattocks told her.
Williams, mortuary manager at San Diego’s Greenwood Memorial Park and Mortuary, still shakes his head over the situation.
“Here, this poor lady had been trying for I don’t know how long to get her son’s remains,” he said last week. “The fact that they wanted her to cremate them … There was nothing to cremate. It was ludicrous that somebody would require her to do that.”
Williams talked to the medical examiner’s office in New York.
“It had to be a New York state-licensed funeral director to be able to release the bones,” he was told. “I called one of our affiliates in New York City. I told him the story and asked, ‘Can you help me out? I need to get these remains released and shipped.’ He told me he’d get back to me.”
Within an hour, Williams heard from the funeral director at Riverside Memorial Chapel in Manhattan. They would pick up the remains and get them to California.
That was Oct. 29.
On Nov. 7, the four packs of bone fragments arrived in San Diego in a baby casket. Williams put them into the cherry wood box, sealed it and attached the engraved name plate. The bill was a little more than $400.
“No one charged for services here or in New York,” Williams said. Or for the cherry wood box or name plate or anything other than the airfare to finally bring Tim Ward home.
“He’s a wonderful man,” Ward-Baker said of Williams. “He learned about my Tim and he got him home.”
Williams looked out the window at his office on Imperial Avenue.
“I’ll never forget this, ever,” he said. “On the phone I could sense her pain. She just wanted her son home.”
He recalled that day, driving up to the house with the big American flag out front.
“It was very emotional,” he said. “She took hold of the box and hugged it and then just dropped to her knees.”
• • •
She kissed the box and put it back in the cabinet she special ordered to hold her memories. There are his bronzed baby saddle shoes, a piece of recovered steel and concrete from ground zero, a folded American flag, pictures of Tim as a child and all grown up with Sherman, his beloved Westie.
There’s an eerie one of him leaning on a rail with the Twin Towers in the background across the East River, pictures of him and his mom, him with his grandmother, who died in July.
“They were very close,” Ward-Baker said of her son and her mom. “He sent her flowers for Grandparents Day,” two days before 9/11.
Ward-Baker still dreams of her son, still cries a lot, still takes medication for what has been diagnosed as post-traumatic stress disorder. But it helps to have some closure.
On Valentine’s Day, Tim would have been 46. His mother, now 67, had a party for him. Michael Paige and two other cousins came down from Anaheim.
“I’m very close to them,” she said. “They came and spent the day, we went to dinner and then we had ice cream and cake.”
The wind chimes tinkled on the back porch. Ward-Baker took in the view that made her move here a year ago.
“I walked out on this porch and that was it,” she said, looking over the rooftops below her and out to the mountains.
“Up here, I’m close to heaven. Close to Tim.”

These bones are so important that she keeps them, against all convention, against all normal respect for human remains, against the laws in most (all?) States, right in a "Shrine" in her home. Yet she's not sure if there are 3 or 4?

The spoils won from a long battle, and she doesn't know the most basic thing about them.

Susanne Ward-Baker is like George Sleigh, who told us the landing gear was up/down.

She is full of it.

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**niko** · 11 Sep 2010 , 02:30 AM

Hello all, I'll cut to the chase.

Tim Ward is very much a real person. He did get on that flight, and he never came home.
I'm a family member (related on his fathers side) and am often hurt and confused over speculation of the events that happened 9 years ago today.

I don't want to argue over the media because I do strongly believe they manipulate and skew things to feed us the filth we crave and live through vicariously.
I just want you to know he is real, with real loved ones. Who aren't as 'creepy' as you make them sound.

I would like to hear your thoughts on why you think its gross his mother has created a 'shrine' to him and why you're referring to it as a 'shrine.' I wonder if you find it 'creepy' that people keep urns with their loved ones? Or keep pictures of their loved ones who have passed?

I'm looking for real, honest answers here. Not snarky replies.

**niko** · 11 Sep 2010 , 02:54 AM

I'd also like to add that there WAS a funeral service at the Methodist Church in Visalia, California. Their was 0 media coverage because the family was tired of people trying to leech/profit off the loss.

Phil Jayhan · 11 Sep 2010 , 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by niko

Hello all, I'll cut to the chase.

Tim Ward is very much a real person. He did get on that flight, and he never came home.
I'm a family member (related on his fathers side) and am often hurt and confused over speculation of the events that happened 9 years ago today.

I don't want to argue over the media because I do strongly believe they manipulate and skew things to feed us the filth we crave and live through vicariously.
I just want you to know he is real, with real loved ones. Who aren't as 'creepy' as you make them sound.

I would like to hear your thoughts on why you think its gross his mother has created a 'shrine' to him and why you're referring to it as a 'shrine.' I wonder if you find it 'creepy' that people keep urns with their loved ones? Or keep pictures of their loved ones who have passed?

I'm looking for real, honest answers here. Not snarky replies.

With all due respect, I understand your concerns and won't give you a snarky response. Personally, I do find it a little creepy about his mother keeping part of his body. And I also find it creepy when people keep their loved ones ashes in an urn. But hey, that's just me and you asked, so I am answering.

But there is a problem with Tim's picture; The problem with his picture is the picture being taken day, or the day of the last edit, is 1/11/2000.

The real problem lies in that little white sidebar which reads (Family Photo/AP). That was put on the picture on 1/11/2000. Because thats the VERY LAST edit of the picture. Had it been put on after 9/11, it would read the date it was edited, after 9/11/2001. In other words, this picture shows that Tim Ward was a pre-prepared victim. We already searched both the AP database as well as the AP library in New York and Tim Wards picture was never used publicly for anything other then 9/11. The only time "this picture" was used was for 9/11. Can you explain these discrepancies?

Sincerely,
Phil Jayhan
Site Admin

**niko** · 11 Sep 2010 , 03:37 AM

I do also find it a little unsettling when people keep urns in their homes, but keeping his remains was his parents choice.

I cannot explain to you why that specific picture is marked as such. I can assure you that Tim has been in local newspapers over his years (in things NOT related to 9/11)

I'm not trying to debunk anything and say your theories are wrong, because even I myself do have questions from time to time.

I would just like you to know that the family (and by 'the' family, I mean Tims fathers side. I cannot speak for his mothers side) finds the medias coverage and lack of information disrespectful to those involved.

But more importantly, I'd like you to know that he is a real person, who lived a real life and isn't some pawn the media (or whoever else) made up.

21 Aug 2010 , 13:58 PM	#4
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21 Aug 2010 , 16:24 PM	#5
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11 Sep 2010 , 02:30 AM	#7
niko Reader Join Date: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 3 Threads: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Hello all, I'll cut to the chase. Tim Ward is very much a real person. He did get on that flight, and he never came home. I'm a family member (related on his fathers side) and am often hurt and confused over speculation of the events that happened 9 years ago today. I don't want to argue over the media because I do strongly believe they manipulate and skew things to feed us the filth we crave and live through vicariously. I just want you to know he is real, with real loved ones. Who aren't as 'creepy' as you make them sound. I would like to hear your thoughts on why you think its gross his mother has created a 'shrine' to him and why you're referring to it as a 'shrine.' I wonder if you find it 'creepy' that people keep urns with their loved ones? Or keep pictures of their loved ones who have passed? I'm looking for real, honest answers here. Not snarky replies.

11 Sep 2010 , 02:54 AM	#8
niko Reader Join Date: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 3 Threads: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	I'd also like to add that there WAS a funeral service at the Methodist Church in Visalia, California. Their was 0 media coverage because the family was tired of people trying to leech/profit off the loss.

11 Sep 2010 , 03:37 AM	#10
niko Reader Join Date: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 3 Threads: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	I do also find it a little unsettling when people keep urns in their homes, but keeping his remains was his parents choice. I cannot explain to you why that specific picture is marked as such. I can assure you that Tim has been in local newspapers over his years (in things NOT related to 9/11) I'm not trying to debunk anything and say your theories are wrong, because even I myself do have questions from time to time. I would just like you to know that the family (and by 'the' family, I mean Tims fathers side. I cannot speak for his mothers side) finds the medias coverage and lack of information disrespectful to those involved. But more importantly, I'd like you to know that he is a real person, who lived a real life and isn't some pawn the media (or whoever else) made up.