What Happened to the Passengers? - The "4" Flights of 9/11

Phil Jayhan · 6 Mar 2010 , 23:27 PM

The "4" Flights of 9/11 - What about the Passengers? What happened to them?
by Phil Jayhan

Most people are not aware that there are issues with the 4 groups of people who flew on the 4 flights of 9/11 from 3 locations. There are so many issues it would take a newsroom full of dedicated reporters a long time to sift through it all. There are problems with the boarding of passengers on 3 flights. And on the 4th flight we find 2 boardings, an unusual event to say the least. Two of the aircraft, we are to believe didn't even take off on 9/11, as this is what registers in the BTS database for flights 11 & 77 on 911. Two of the aircraft that allegedly struck the towers, can be plausibly shown to be drones, calling into question both passenger and crew from those respective flights. (11 & 175) While flight 77 obviously didn't crash at the Pentagon from all evidence shown, and flight 77 is one of the 2 flight which BTS shows no departure time for. While flight 93 wasn't even a regular flight on 9/11, it was created in the last 2 hours before it flew. And as you will see are good reasons to believe Flight 93 was boarded twice at Newark. If this sounds confusing, it is because it was meant to be so. But I believe this article shows it is possible to make some simple sense out of the days events and tie them all together.

What was alleged to have been Flight 11, crashing into the North Tower on 9/11/2001 at 8:46 AM. Notice the bright flash at the towers face just prior to impact.

This was taken by the Naudet brothers, filming a documentary of 911. Below is a screen-shot of the BTS database, Bureau of Traffic Statistics. Oddly it shows that Flight 11, with no wheels off time, or departure time, showing that it never took off on 9/11. This exact same oddity is duplicated regarding the Flight 77, the other American Airlines flight on 9/11 which allegedly took off from Dulles. The BTS database shows that the 2 American airlines planes, flights 11 & 77, as having no wheels off time or departure times. This is actually a key to understanding 9/11 as well as the mystery of the planes & passengers.

One mystery compounds into another creating a chain or sequence of events that become confusion. The largest blunder that 911 investigators have made is to be aware of this BTS discrepancy and then act as though it wasn't there. Nearly everyone who becomes aware of this BTS discrepancy, then go on to assume that these passengers somehow still ended up on flight 11. The passengers did disappear after all, did they not? And we were all told that they boarded and were on flight 11, right? We have Air Traffic controllers as eye witnesses saying that flight 11 was seen on radar, and followed all the way to the North Tower of the World Trade Center complex. We also then have the cell phone calls from the passengers themselves, to bolster this story, do we not? Thus the path of least resistance to the investigator of 911 is to assume that the BTS discrepancies regarding flight 11 & 77 is just a snafu or a glitch. Or perhaps, facing all of the obstacles above, the 911 investigator thinks it less difficult to shift focus into other areas of investigation, of which, thanks to the planners of 911, there is an abundance. Please see the rest of story below the chart below;

BTS - Bureau of Traffic Statistics showing Flight 11 never departed from Boston Logan international Airport on 9/11/2001.

The problem with nearly all 911 research regarding this issue of the BTS discrepancies of flights 11 & 77 is it all ends here, and no more questions are asked. If you ask the right question, you usually get the right answer. If you ask the wrong question, you usually get the wrong answer. If you ask no more questions at all, you will get no more answers. And thus, it is left there, with no more questions. So lets start asking some of the questions which have never been asked or pursued.

Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer: No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist.

Question # 2. How does a passenger purchase a ticket for a Flight which will not fly on 9/11?

This is conceivably possible. Flights are canceled all the time and combined with other flights according to the dictates of the airlines and passenger loads any given day. Yet there are no records of any such occurrences on 9/11. The official story is set in stone. The people boarded Flight 11. They boarded AT Flight 11's gate.

Question #3. How does a passenger fly on a flight which never takes off on 911?

Now this is impossible. This is where the tougher questions are needed. The passengers all disappeared and that, seamlessly, on 911. This is beyond dispute. And yet they never could have boarded a flight that did not take off. They might have conceivably purchased tickets for these flights, but they could have never actually gotten onto flight 11, boarded and then taken off. Why? Because the BTS database is accurate and also definite. Flight 11 did not depart on 911. Unfortunately this presents a conundrum and a wall of confusion that none stepped over till now.

Question # 4. Where did the passengers go, if not onto flight 11?

Were they herded into rooms at the airports as some theorists have assumed? Were they tricked onto boarding another flight, which they thought was flight 11, a sort of 'patsy plane' if you will? These are all legitimate questions because we do after all have the collective disappearance of of 92 souls. They had to have gone somewhere, because they couldn't have gone nowhere. They didn't board or fly on flight 11. We have no reports of any disturbances at any of the airports, much less Boston Logan, which would likely happen if airport officials tried to sequester 92 people trying to board a flight inside an International airport with hundreds of witnesses all around, and yet they collectively disappeared. Not onto flight 11. And not sequestered at the airports. Then where?

At this point we are running out of ground to walk on unless we pass over the most difficult bridge of all and ask the most unpleasant of all questions;

Question # 5. Were any of the passengers on flight 11 or any of the 4 planes part of the conspiracy of 9/11?

As an investigator, all things need to be considered. Regardless of peoples emotions, and all lines need to be investigated. The fact that there were no disruptions at any of the airports, indicates that the passengers disappeared seamlessly. Without struggle. Without commotion. Without notice. And without video surveillance. The fact the government has not produced a single video showing any of the passengers is likely because if they did so, it would prove upon analysis that the passengers were in a part of the airport they never should have been on 9/11. This is why the government cannot produce the video of any of the passengers on 911 at the airports, with the possible exception of Flight 93 which we will touch on later.

The fact that the passengers disappeared seamlessly would indicate that they were willing participants by and large. It is plausible to believe that some passengers were just regular people, and randomly chosen for death & disappearance on 9/11. The planners after all were doing as much for 3000 people at the World trade Center. A few more is nothing to them. But it is not plausible to believe this is the case for all of the passengers.

This item is what I believe is an issue which cannot be answered without more data. Whether or not regular passengers were chosen and incorporated into these flights, or whether or not they were all in one way or another part of the conspiracy. Perhaps it is a mixture of real passengers and conspirators. It is beyond the scope of this article to deal with all of the passengers and possible connections to 911 planning, although there is a mountain of supporting evidence, when there should be none. And for at least 3 of the planes passengers in question, their disappearance at the airports deserve further investigation, for we know that the 3 groups of people from flights 11, 175 and 77 were not passengers on their respective flights. The fact that the passengers from these 3 groups, at 2 airports disappeared so seamlessly is indicative that they were possibly willing participants. Combined with the lack of video the government has released showing any of the passengers at any of the 3 airports, it surely isn't implausible to believe that they are in a position where they cannot produce the video without incriminating themselves. My belief is that they do have video of the 3 groups of people at the 2 airports (93 is not included here) but cannot release it because it will show the passengers in a part of the airport they were never supposed to have been. Which would of curse help citizen investigators come closer to determining how 911 was operationally pulled off regarding the passengers and 4 planes. Why else would they withhold it?

It should be noted that all of the above, regarding Flight 11 was also repeated at Dulles International Airport. Done twice at 2 airports. The 2 flights which the BTS shows as never having taken off, flight 11 & 77, the two American airlines planes. One from Boston, one from Dulles. The passengers for the other ghost flight, 77, the flight which the BTS shows as never having taken off, by and large mirror what is described above with flight 11. All of the passengers of flight 77 disappeared, seamlessly, yet they didn't get onto or take off on flight 77, because the BTS shows it as never having taken off on 9/11. And likewise, no reports of commotion or disruptions at Dulles, as one would expect if an entire plane-load of passengers were being redirected against their wills, in a public International airport. I emphasize, that they disappeared seamlessly. Without notice. Without commotion, & as the passengers on the other ghost flight of 911, flight 11 at Boston Logan, without video surveillance.

This constitutes our 2nd conundrum regarding the passengers and the 4 flights on 9/11. 2 groups of people, one from flight 11 at Boston and one from flight 77 at Dulles would both seamlessly disappear under similar circumstances. And both groups of people would never board either of the flights, 11 or 77. Because the BTS database tells us this flight never departed. Let the conundrum remain for now, and don't ignore it, because in it lies part of the solution to understanding how they operationally pulled off at least one layer of 911.

We encounter our third conundrum with the photographic evidence of flight 175. Even from a casual observance of all the evidence of pictures and video we have of flight 175, it is quite obvious it was not a commercial airliner, much less flight 175 which had passengers on board.

Thus if commercial flight 175 did not hit the South Tower as we were all told, our third conundrum now becomes what happened to those passengers on flight 175? A third group of missing people. If they were not aboard that plane, and all evidence tells us they weren't, then where did the passengers from flight 175 go to? Were the planes switched in mid-air? Taken over by remote control and flown into the towers? Where o where did this third group of people, the passengers from flight 175 disappear to? Is anyone starting to see a pattern here? One group after another of the 4 groups of people on 911 have all sorts of difficulties with their stories and the story of their disappearance.

As we move along to Flight 93 we will find even more issues. Though not quite the same, and as a matter of fact, we will get a glimpse of the key to understanding this mysteries outlined above. Something nobody was ever intended to read or see. It is simply an unintended consequence of 9/11 and something the planners of 911 couldn't ever plan for or forsee.

Flight 93 was boarded twice. By two groups of people at two separate locations at Newark Airport. We know this because of two credible eye-witnesses. This is also more then likely the reason why flight 93 was 41 minutes late in taking off on 9/11. We were never supposed to know or learn of this 2nd boarding for flight 93, this was one of those things they couldn't forsee. After closing it's door at the terminal, Flight 93 reopened the door to the plane, to allow Mark Bingham aboard. Mark Bingham has for all intents and purposes totally messed up and missed his plane. They literally re-opened the door to the airplane at the terminal jet-bridge and allowed him onto the plane.

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Mark Bingham: Flight 93

One passenger was late. Mark Bingham had overslept and his friend, Matthew Hall, drove madly from Manhattan to Newark. They screeched to a halt outside Terminal A at 7:40. Bingham leapt from the car, lugging the old, blue-and-gold canvas bag he'd used as a rugby player at the University of California at Berkeley a decade earlier. United attendants reopened the door to the boarding ramp and let him on the plane. Lucky he was that Flight 93 was 41 minutes late or he might have missed his flight.

After pulling away from the gate, flight 93 goes around the corner to pick up another 'charter' for the days flight, a second group of people. This was never reported on. Nor were you ever intended to so much as get a glimpse of this 2nd boarding. It happened as the result of a planning snafu.

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Triton's Clayton White on other side of recruiting

"You might say Clayton White's life has come full circle since February 1996.

White’s career didn’t end there, however. He eventually made the NFL’s New York Giants as a free agent and spent three seasons in the league, the last one in 2002 with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

But the most lasting memory of White’s time in New York had nothing to do with football. "We had played a Monday night game in Denver, and flew back home the next morning," White said. "We landed in Newark, N.J., about 6:45 in the morning. We usually get off the plane on the tarmac and board a bus to get to our cars.

"I noticed another plane sitting next to ours because the people were walking to the plane across the tarmac instead of through the jetway.

"Two weeks later, as we’re taking another plane to a game, one of the stewardesses informed us the plane that had been boarding next to us was Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11. That was a very eerie feeling." - Fayetteville Observer (01/31/06)

Triton Clayton White saw something he wasn't supposed to see, because the planners of 911 did not take into consideration the possibility of charter flights offloading on the same tarmac they were to pick up this 2nd group of people with Flight 93. Triton Clayton White (New York Giant Football player) saw FLIGHT 93 being boarded on the Tarmac at Newark, which is another separate boarding then when they picked people up at the terminal using a jet-bridge. That self same terminal at Newark, to this day, has a flag at it, where the hero's of 9/11 boarded their fateful flight. Make no mistake about it, the first group of people boarded at the terminal, and a 2nd group of people boarded on the Tarmac. All onto flight 93, and all of this at Newark on 9/11.

But who is this 2nd group of people being boarded onto flight 93, and why the cloak and dagger boarding of a 2nd group of passengers onto Flight 93 on the tarmac, AFTER the boarding at the terminal?

This presents us with our 4th conundrum. There appears to be incredibly serious issues with each of the flights, their boardings, their departures, identities, destinations, and now this?

STATUS: NO DEPARTURE: NO BOARDING: On flight 11, we have passengers which boarded and disappeared onto a plane which never took off and which video evidence plausibly shows to be a military drone.

STATUS: DEPARTURE & BOARDING: On flight 175, we have a different issue, as the plane which struck the towers was not commercial flight 175, with those passengers aboard, and also all sorts of plausible evidence that shows this plane to be a military drone as well.

STATUS: NO DEPARTURE: NO BOARDING: On flight 77, we have passengers which allegedly board and depart on a flight which never departed that day, according to BTS.

STATUS: DEPARTURE & TWO BOARDINGS: On flight 93, we have an unusual late passenger being let on the plane after missing it, as well as a second boarding on the tarmac after its first initial boarding at the terminal using a jet-bridge.

This is as far as my research has gone, sorry I cannot supply any answers or solutions beyond this, but feel free to chime in with your own research and ideas. Psyche. Just kidding. Actually, if your still with me, we are nearly done with wrapping up all the loose ends and tying it all together and seeing what happened on 911 as well as the most plausible explanation to all of the mysteries regarding the passengers and flights.

From here out, it is actually very simple. At Boston they did a variation of the disappearing coin trick, with an additional coin thrown in, Delta flight 1989, as we will see, and at Dulles, they used the disappearing deck trick. Simply put, the passengers of flight 77 at Dulles are the same group of people who we see on the SECOND BOARDING AT NEWARK AIRPORT. The passengers at Dulles caught an earlier flight which took them to Newark where they were to rendevouz with Flight 93, and did so successfully. Howbeit, there is a witness to this deception, Triton Clayton White, the New york Giant who saw Flight 93 boarding ON THE TARMAC. After its FIRST BOARDING AT THE TERMINAL.

At Boston Logan International Airport, they used a similar deception. Here, the passengers from both flights 11 & 175 are combined into one flight. It would eventually become delta flight 1989 and land at Cleveland International Airport... While flight 93, now having also the passengers from flight 77 from the 2nd boarding at Newark, will head to the same destination; Cleveland International Airport.

Stuart Air Force Base Mystery - Explained

Above Stuart air force base we are told that flight 11 and 175 nearly collided they got so close. We were also given snippets of this through air traffic control tapes. The explanation for this is as plausible as it is logical. This is where the 2 military drones which were to strike to world trade centers took off from. They would replace the flight path of Flight 175 as well as the path of flight 11, which up to this point was provided for by an electronic warfare plane which was one of "4" such aircraft in the air for the War games which were taking place on 9/11/2001. Sometime shortly after this, Flight 175 NOW HAVING BEEN REPLACED BY A MILITARY DRONE ON RADAR will change its transponder to Delta 1989, and make an emergency landing at Cleveland, with reports of a bomb aboard. This plane would contain roughly 200 people, and not only is it plausible that these people were the people from flights 11 & 175, it is highly probable and likely. Another plane, Flight 93, would also land at Cleveland airport. This was confirmed by both the Mayor of Cleveland, and United Airlines who publicly acknowledged on 911 and confirmed flight 93 landed in Cleveland. Flight 93 would end up being sequestered at one end of the airport, at the NASA Glenn hangar, while the other flight containing the other passengers from 11 & 175, now designated as Delta 1989, would be sequestered at the other end of the airport, at the I-X Exposition center. The two flights, Delta 1989 and United flight 93 had roughly 260 some people between them, the same number as the "4" flights, 11, 175, 77 & 93.

The Cleveland Airport Mystery - Explained

The following is from Woodybox, a diligent 911 researcher. In a nutshell he explains why it was 2 separate aircraft which landed at Cleveland. In my above article, the reason why is obvious.

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We can conclude that Delta 1989 landed at 10:10, and at 12:30 the 69 passengers were taken into the FAA headquarter. Flight X landed at 10:45, and at 11:15 the 200 passengers were taken into the evacuated NASA Center.

Cleveland Hopkins Airport - note that the blue runways were in planning yet on 9/11. The big black rectangle in the South is the I-X Center

5) The exact location of the plane

This is the final proof that we have to do with two different planes. Both planes were sitting on a runway, but miles away from each other. One plane was at the west end of runway 28/10 near the NASA center (point 10 in the map). This is confirmed by Associated Press and an eyewitness (5A). The other plane was sitting at the south end of runway 18/36 near the I-X-Center (point 36), also confirmed by two eyewitnesses (5B). The geographic conditions on the airport suggest that the passengers at the West end were taken to the NASA Center and the passengers at the South end to the FAA headquarter.

We summarise our findings:

.................................................. ........Delta 1989...................Flight X

Moment of landing................................10:10...... .....................10:45

Begin of evacuation...............................12:30.... .......................11:15

Number of passengers............................69.......... ......................200

Passengers brought to............. ..........FAA/Airport...................NASA

Exact location.................................Runway 18/36 ............Runway 28/10

.................................................. ...near I-X Center..........near NASA Center

For the full complete story that this was taken out from by Woody is here below, full & complete. Just press the spoiler button to see it all.

Spoiler:

Not only does this explain the mystery of what happened to the passengers from the 4 planes, it also gives a plausible explanation for just about every other mystery regarding the 4 flights that day. The passengers from all 4 flights, 11, 175, 77 and 93 all ended up at Cleveland Airport, and not coincidently, in the same planes were were told made emergency landings because of reports of a "bomb" aboard. Delta 1989 & Flight 93. e.g. Delta 1989 was the bomb aboard "story" and also gave plausible and good reasons why Cleveland International airport could be closed & evacuated, so that total & complete control could be taken for these 'special passengers' from Delta 1989 & flight 93.

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United Air Flight 93 air traffic recording with "flight 93 & a bomb abaord"

This shows the air traffic control tape between "flight 93 with a bomb aboard talking to Cleveland:"

YouTube- United Air Flight 93 air traffic recording

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HoGrkNNgB4

The Mayor of Cleveland later confirmed that this plane, "Flight 93" landed safely at Cleveland International Airport.

This plausibly explains the following;

Hijacker mystery
Why the Cell phone calls needed to be made & were faked
Lack of Video of Passengers at 4 airports on 911
Why the 2 American Airlines flights, 11 & 77 show in the BTS database as not having flown
Stuart Air Force base mystery
Why there is video and photographic evidence showing both 11 & 175 to be military drones
Cleveland International Airport Mystery
Mystery of the missing people from 4 planes on 911

And it also gives an incredibly plausible explanation for the sequence of events regarding the passengers of the 4 planes and the mysteries surrounding them. All of the passengers, from 4 groups, and 3 locations, ended up in 1 central location, Cleveland International Airport. They had seamlessly & successfully disappeared.

What happened after Cleveland is anyone's guess. All air traffic was closed. If any planes flew, it is doubtful there was recordings of them, especially if they contained the passengers from any of these 4 flights. All that lied ahead of them at this point is their new lives and new identities. And as pointed out earlier, it is possible some real passengers were added to the planes, but this is beyond the scope of my research and beyond the scope of this article.

There is what I believe happened to the passengers. For the first time in 9 years I believe we have come as close as we can without a full fledged honest open inquiry into the crimes of 911 in understanding all the mysteries of the missing passengers & planes. Perhaps you believe the passengers were all real, and then eliminated afterward. Regardless of your viewpoint on this issue, I believe I have outlined the most plausible explanation as to what occurred on 9/11 regarding the 4 planes and passengers. Adapt this scenario as neccessary as it meets your knowledge of the events of 911.

I hope this helps many come to a better understanding of that days crimes and how they performed those crimes.

Cheers-
Phil Jayhan

Site Admin

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Phil Jayhan · 7 Mar 2010 , 04:03 AM

Look in this slot later as it will be filled with part II and the conclusion and summary.

More to come!

**SoldierOfTheLord** · 7 Mar 2010 , 18:12 PM

Sounds like that pretty much sums it up! I always believed that they were all shuffled off and their identities were changed - it makes the most sense.

Also makes sense why "Mrs. Beamer" bout a 2 million dollar house - wasn't that how much it was? Yep - this puts all the pieces together.

**Rings of Saturn** · 7 Mar 2010 , 19:03 PM

Good work! The Cleveland airport thing was always a red flag for me...and it would be easy to take that over with all the chaos. I'll also buy that decks were switch with these planes and everyone ended there.

But I'm sorry...I can't buy the idea that ALL or most of those people were in on it...and IDs changed etc etc. Nope...can't by it. We're again expecting everyone to keep quiet about a major operation...and that just is a HUGE liability. Even for military brass or other personell....its too much of a risk. There is NO way an operation like this could be pulled off with 200-1000 people in on it..and not squeal or talk. Cover up afterwards....perhaps a few people...but NOT being in on it before.

If anything..these were regular people....relocated to Cleveland...then were reboarded onto another plane...and helplessly sent to the bottom of the sea somewhere. Unsuspecting and not knowing...they were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time...and no one made it out alive. The very few perpetrators probably duped the contollers and workers at Cleveland that the "off the radar" flights were for re-location...to help....and they never knew the difference.

The war games were all a part of the plan to confuse...and those culprits prolly had know idea either...till afterwards..to which they were silenced, somehow.

Like a good majic trick...it was all too easy to pull off...

Phil Jayhan · 7 Mar 2010 , 19:28 PM

Good feedback ROS --

I will put in an alternate ending with that hypothesis so the general concept won't be pitched because it doesn't meet someones threshold or own 911 view. I'll add that tonight ROS. But I beg to differ with you on the passengers being in on it.

We already have done research and in my opinion deposed roughly 10 people from the 4 flights. While we might disagree on particulars, my own initial breakdown at this point in investigating this is this;

Control Group -- All Military people aboard any of the 4 flights -- (20-25% of passengers)

Control Group -- All Military Industrial people, Raytheon, Boeing, etc. (25-30% of passengers right here)

Control Group -- Misc Criminal network ties. e.g. Eric Hartano, 20 year old student on Flight 175. Seems innocuous enough and hard to depose, right? Until you find out his father was Sam Hartano, who was being prosecuted for ripping off the Indonesian CENTRAL BANK. Sam Hartano, oddly, went missing from Indonesian law about 1 year after Eric hartano, his son, allegedly perished on 911.

Control Group --- High profile people. Presidents, Vice Presidents, CEO's, CFO's, Directors, Project Managers, Playwrights, Actors, Producers, Actors who were supposed to fly on 911 on 93,. There was inordinately high numbers of all these types of people aboard all 4 flights. It is a statistical improbability to say the least and an impossibility to say it like it is.

Control Group -- Dead people. We have several instances of dead people on the passengers manifests. Also, people from other flights were added into the passengers manifest, in at least one instance with 2 people. They tried to have this corrected but am not sure how far they actually got in rectifying it.

I think you get the idea. I don't think that the problem regarding this issue is my theory as much as it is your own imagination. The people who did 911 are part of a huge criminal network, and they recycle people and identities on a daily basis. They do after all have all the powers of this government and most others around the world. To recycle a few hundred people and give them new lives and identities is childs play for them.

-- Check out this link -- Eric Hartano. Seemingly innocuous. Young. No ties to the underworld or crime. Allegedly a passenger on flight 175. BUT WAIT! Lets see who his father is; http://letsrollforums.com/mystery-pa...942#post173942 (thanks to firetown and elishevadpw for their research in this) As an investigator we have to ask the question; Did any of the passengers on an of the 4 flights have motives or reason to disappear and if so, did they have any connections to the international crime network. And in both cases, the answer is yes for Eric Hartano.

ROS -- I have also changed the ending of the article per your feedback and will change it in the middle of the article as well, to give the reader a choice of passenger conspirators or passenger victims, or perhaps both. Thanks for the positive feedback!

Cheers-
Phil

**Rings of Saturn** · 7 Mar 2010 , 20:56 PM

I guess I have too much faith in my fellow Americans. That's why I cant swallow an "official black op" -- 911. The main reason is the logistics of keeping people quiet...and by some people's ideas...you're talking HUNDREDS of people.

I am in an industry where I try to keep my business and other projects quiet...it NEVER happens. This is with 10-20 people...and wild ideas always fly around. They're the ROS conspiracy theorists...always talking and theorisizing what i am up to. Its kinda like the cheating wife...she always gets caught.

I can buy that SOME may have been in on it..or thought they were in on another Black Op...maybe a drill? Then, they were eliminated or IDs switched. Maybe the passenger lists were faked..and some didnt even exist. Maybe only 30-40 people were REAL the rest were fakes...like the Northwoods Docs...they proposed FAKE people and funerals for the operation.

So many possibilities...and the truth is likley in the middle here soemwhere...but I just cant buy a PILE of people being in on this...with that, I agree with skeptics. It'd be a logistial nightmare keeping them all quiet. It'd be easier to dupe them all...like the personell with the war games...duped into participation...

Phil Jayhan · 7 Mar 2010 , 21:15 PM

Well, I hear and am going to start a thread where we are going to go through all 265 people, once and for all, and try and depose them, look for suspicious ties, networks, patterns. I am sure that there are many on the flights, where we won't be a lucky as were were with Eric Hartano, whose father was part of the criminal network, and ripped off the Central Bank in Indonesia.

Once we get this entire thread done, everyone here will be surprised I think. We have so many Actors, Producers, CEO's, CFO's Presidents, Vice Presidents, TV News Anchors, Project Managers, Military Brass, Pentagon people, Military Industrial people, Playrights, Fraternity Presidents, Restaurant Chain owners, it isn't even believable. And I mean that as in not believable. Is there this many famous people or VIP's on every 4 flights that takes off from those 3 airports? Not even close. You would be lucky to find even one person in the categories above on any 4 flights. It is a statistical implausibility which begs reason.

Every famous person or who's who was on one of the 4 flights. the only famous or VIP not on any of the flights I think was Alice in Wonderland, because she was filming her new film in Holly-wood.

Can you see where I am coming from? And we haven't even gotten to any of the stranger coinkidinks, if you want to call them that.

And lets not forget about all the famous people who missed one of the 4 flights; Numerous reports from numerous famous people, EVEN MORE ACTORS AND VIP's claiming they missed one of the planes, or were going to fly on 911. They knew that the 4 flights were going to be fake, because they of course were planning this, and knowing this over compensated to kingdom come for the passenger list to convince Americans there were really 4 planes with real passengers.

I hate to sum it up like this, but sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words; "Thou (them) protesteth too much..."

The only reason nobody has really pursued the passenger angle is for the fear of it. But I am telling you I believe this is their weakest link. Just wait a few weeks after we make a few more threads and I get my famous people on the 4 flights thread going. Then see what you think...

I can see having maybe one famous or VIP person on 1 of the flights to make it believable. But 15-20? 50? This is so far off the charts. It is disproportionate on a scale that makes it not believable. I mean this is an important clue. It shows beyond doubt the passenger list was manufactured beforehand, and it also shows a larger criminal network then you presently imagine. And I agree with you. The answer on the passengers is somewhere in the middle. What do you think of the rest of the ideas presented in the article?

Cheers-
Phil

**Rings of Saturn** · 9 Mar 2010 , 17:07 PM

Phil, I have been having problems with the site...i think I have a bug...it freezes up and messes up on replies. Sorry i didnt get to this till now...

Its excellent work...keep it up...the truth is in here somewhere...

Like I have always said...its probbaly so simple, we'd be shocked to know how they pulled it off...

Phil Jayhan · 9 Mar 2010 , 17:19 PM

Please take the time to read this through and aquaint yourself with this information. The story of the passengers cannot bear any inquiry at all without the whole entire story breaking down and shattering to pieces. The story of the flight crews also cannot bear any honest inquiry, as you will see, the entire story is implausible. From beginning to end, it is full of discrepancies, lies, fabrications, and outright unbelievable odds. Take a look at how many of the Pilots and Flight attendants were not scheduled to fly but somehow, against all odds, ended up on these fateful flights. Had they published the many stories like this in the state run media, heads would have rolled long ago, because no one would believe any of this if they were told even the truth as it is on those 4 flights.

Also see how many of the passengers had 'last minute' changes onto the planes, as well as how many of our 'hero's' on flight 93 weren't even scheduled to fly on 93. Read the story below and tell me if it is as abrasive to your own sense of reason as it is to mine.

Snippets: Flight Crews

Flight 11: There were nine flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11 the morning of 9/11. At least four of them were not originally booked to be on this flight
Flight 175: There were seven flight attendants on this plane on 9/11, at least four of whom had only recently been assigned to it.
Flight 77: Of the four attendants on this plane, at least two were not originally scheduled to be on it.
Flight 93: At least three of the five attendants on this flight were not originally booked to be on it.

Snippets: Passengers

Flight 175: Touri Bolourchi "was not supposed to be aboard Flight 175
Flight 77: Barbara Olson, who flew on Flight 77 on 9/11, was originally "scheduled to fly to Los Angeles on the night of Sept. 10," but "changed her schedule
Flight 93: Environmental lawyer Alan Beaven arranged to take Flight 93 on 9/11 the day before ***
Flight 93: A number of the Flight 93 passengers were originally booked on United Airlines Flight 91

*** How can Alan Beaven arrange to fly on flight 93 the day before 9/11? Flight 93 was not even created until about 2 hours before it flew on 9/11.

But wait, there is a whole lot more; these are just 'snippets.' All of this is once again on the not believable scale.

Cheers-
Phil

Original link:

Here's my latest blog entry, with some new details about 9/11 you probably haven't read before. The original is here:

http://shoestring911.blog...ilots-passengers-and.html

Last-Minute Pilots, Passengers, and Flight Attendants: The Unexplained Oddity of 9/11

In all the valuable research that has been conducted into 9/11, a significant detail has so far been mostly overlooked: An examination of news reports and other accounts reveals that a surprising proportion of the people on the four targeted planes had only been booked onto those flights at the last minute, often the day before or even the morning of September 11. Pilots on three of the four planes, more than half of all the flight attendants, and many passengers--including almost half those on Flight 93--were not originally booked to be on those flights.

It is difficult to dismiss all this evidence as mere coincidence. There must be specific reasons that we do not yet know about. For the truth to be uncovered will require further study by independent researchers, scrutiny by the press, and proper formal investigations of the 9/11 attacks.

Below is a summary of these latecomers to the four planes: American Airlines Flights 11 and 77, and United Airlines Flights 175 and 93.

REPLACEMENT PILOTS

The pilot at the controls of Flight 11--the first plane to hit the World Trade Center--before it was supposedly hijacked was John Ogonowski. However, as the Georgetown Record reported: "American Airlines Captain Walter Sorenson of Groveland was scheduled to fly Flight #11 on Sept. 11, 2001. He was disappointed when he was replaced by Captain John Ogonowski, who had seniority over Sorenson and requested to fly that day. ... The last-minute change of pilots ... spared Sorenson's wife Sarah the untimely loss of a young husband." [1] On Flight 77, which supposedly hit the Pentagon, the pilot and co-pilot were Charles Burlingame and David Charlebois. But, as the New York Times reported: "Bill Cheng, an American Airlines pilot who normally flies Flight 77, changed his plans in late August [2001] and applied for time off on Tuesday [September 11] so he could go camping. When another pilot signed up for the slot, Mr. Cheng's application was accepted." [2] Whether it was Burlingame or Charlebois that replaced him is unstated. And the pilot of Flight 93 was Jason Dahl. But according to the Denver Post: "Dahl piloted United Flight 93 on Sept. 11 because he asked to. At his request, [his wife] traded for the flight on their home computer. He'd wanted to get back to Ken-Caryl Valley sooner to start celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary. Days after the request, Dahl's terrorist-invaded plane took a nose dive in a Pennsylvania field." [3] Dahl took Flight 93 in exchange for a flight he'd been booked on later that month. [4]

UNSCHEDULED FLIGHT ATTENDANTS

Flight 11: There were nine flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11 the morning of 9/11. At least four of them were not originally booked to be on this flight, but had recently been assigned to it. Barbara "Bobbi" Arestegui "was not scheduled to work Flight 11 that day but had accepted extra flights. She was saving up vacation to take a trip with her boyfriend to Vermont at the end of this month." [5] Jeffrey Collman "didn't normally work the Boston-to-Los Angeles route but made an exception to get vacation time at the end of the month." [6] Jean Roger was a relatively new flight attendant, and every third month was placed on a "standby" work list. On September 11, "Someone called in sick and she had to go." [7] And Sara Low also "was not originally scheduled to work the flight." [8]

Flight 175: There were seven flight attendants on this plane on 9/11, at least four of whom had only recently been assigned to it. Robert Fangman was a reserve attendant for Flight 175, and was on it by chance. He replaced Elise O'Kane, who'd been on the flight regularly for the previous six months. When she was signing up for her flights for the month, O'Kane entered an incorrect code into the computer, which scheduled her instead for flights from Boston to Denver. She later said "she had never made such an error in 16 years as a flight attendant." She had subsequently "made several attempts to switch onto the flight, but had computer problems." [9] Another original attendant was Elaine Lawrence. However, "because she was going on vacation, she traded shifts with her close friend, Amy Jarret." [10] Lauren Gurskis was also one of the original attendants. "In August of [2001], however, she switched assignments--trip-traded, as flight attendants call it--so that she could drive her son to his first day of kindergarten." According to the Boston Globe, Kathryn Laborie was most likely the attendant that replaced her. [11] One more of the original attendants, Barbara McFarland, had "decided to spend an extra day with her son," and so she "swapped shifts with another attendant." The name of this attendant is unstated. [12]

Flight 77: Of the four attendants on this plane, at least two were not originally scheduled to be on it. Michele Heidenberger regularly flew from Washington's Reagan National Airport to Dallas, but on 9/11 was unusually flying out of Dulles Airport on Flight 77. When Heidenberger phoned her friend Toni Knisley, an administrator at Reagan Airport, shortly before boarding her plane, Knisley was surprised, saying: "What are you doing at Dulles? Aren't you flying your regular turn to Dallas today?" Heidenberger explained: "I'm working Flight 77 to LA because I want to take time off in October to go to Italy with [my husband] and the kids." [13] Renee May was only assigned to Flight 77 during the morning of 9/11. American Airlines had earlier called another attendant, Lena Brown, and asked her to take the flight, but Brown said she would be unable to get to the airport in time. "Renee May, the next flight attendant on American Airlines' list, accepted." [14]

Flight 93: At least three of the five attendants on this flight were not originally booked to be on it. Sandra Bradshaw "liked working first class," but "was in economy because she'd picked up Flight 93 late in the planning." She had "switched flights with another attendant." [15] Wanda Green "had been scheduled to fly Sept. 13, but Green, who also worked as a real estate agent, realized she had to handle the closing of a home sale Sept. 13. She'd phoned her best friend, fellow flight attendant Donita Judge, who opened United's computerized schedule and shifted Green to the Sept. 11 flight." [16] Deborah Welsh "usually avoided early-morning flights," and "was not originally slated to be on Flight 93, but was assigned to the flight when she swapped shifts." [17]

It wasn't just pilots and flight attendants who'd joined the doomed flights late. A large number of the passengers had similarly not originally been booked on these aircraft.

LAST-MINUTE PASSENGERS

Flight 11: Alexander Filipov "originally held a ticket for a Delta flight, but switched at the last minute to American Flight 11." [18] Edmund Glazer had got a call from his company's home office in Los Angeles the night of September 10, asking for his help on a major project. "In his obliging way, Mr. Glazer boarded Flight 11 the next morning." [19] Pendyala Vamsikrishna "was to leave Boston on Sept. 10, but hadn't finished his job, and rescheduled for the following day on American Airlines Flight 11." [20] Brian Dale "was supposed to have flown Monday night. But the Warren, NJ, man instead opted to fly out Tuesday morning." [21] Peter Hashem "had been scheduled to take an earlier flight but postponed the trip in order to make time to attend his son's soccer game." [22] Robin Kaplan had also been scheduled to take an earlier flight, but "she would have had to get up too early, so she didn't." [23] David Angell and his wife Lynn "were on board [Flight 11], even though they had originally planned to take a later flight." [24] David Kovalcin "wasn't supposed to fly to California until later this week." But his company's managers "were looking for someone to leave on Tuesday to discuss a hardware problem with a supplier. He volunteered." [25] Christopher Mello had originally "planned to return home on a red-eye flight the next day." [26] And Kenneth Waldie "was supposed to leave Wednesday, but he got the flight the day before." [27]

Flight 175: Touri Bolourchi "was not supposed to be aboard Flight 175, but she decided to stay a few extra days in Boston to visit her daughter and two grandchildren." [28] Francis Grogan "was not originally booked on Flight 175, but overcrowding on his original flight bumped him." [29] Mark Bavis "was originally scheduled for the 11 a.m. departure but pushed it up a few hours." [30] And Daniel Brandhorst, Ronald Gamboa, and their adopted son David, "changed their flight plans so they could return to Los Angeles from Boston on Sept. 11." Brandhorst's mother had "thought her son was flying the previous night." [31]

Flight 77: Barbara Olson, who flew on Flight 77 on 9/11, was originally "scheduled to fly to Los Angeles on the night of Sept. 10," but "changed her schedule ... to be with her husband on the morning of his 61st birthday." [32] Barbara Edwards "had gone to Connecticut for a wedding and was supposed to return home Saturday [September 8]." But, "her friends talked her into staying with them so she took the flight that crashed into the Pentagon." [33] Vicki Yancey "had planned to leave Washington earlier, but ticketing problems delayed her departure." [34] After a vacation with their daughter, husband and wife Shuyin Yang and Yuguang Zheng were "scheduled to leave for China on September 10." But as they had only finished their vacation on September 9, their daughter "felt it might be a hassle for my parents [to] leave [in] just like a couple hours and to get on the plane. So, I have them to reschedule their flight ticket to September 11." [35] Dora Menchaca was in Washington for two days of meetings. "The meetings ended late Monday [September 10], a day earlier than expected." So, "The next morning, flying on standby, she caught an earlier-than-scheduled departure to California." [36] Ruben Ornedo was originally scheduled to fly two weeks after 9/11. But "during a lull in an extended Washington business trip he seized the chance to rush home for a day or two and see his wife." [37] One group of passengers on Flight 77 comprised eight individuals: three teachers and three 11-year-old students who had been selected to participate in a program at the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, accompanied by two staff members of the National Geographic Society. According to a close friend of one of the teachers, Sarah Clark, "She was originally supposed to go to Florida, but two weeks [before 9/11] they changed it and told her she was going to California." [38]

There were likely more passengers who were only booked onto these flights at the last minute, but I have simply not yet come across the reports describing this. And it seems reasonable to assume there were even more of these late additions to the flights, where the details of these individuals' travel arrangements have so far gone unreported.

In the case of Flight 93, however, since the official story revolves around the heroism of the passengers who supposedly fought back against terrorists, we have the fortune that a lot more has been written about these individuals and how they came to be on that flight. What has been reported is extraordinary: Of the 33 passengers (excluding the four supposed hijackers), at least 16 had only recently been booked onto the plane. Some only joined it early in the morning of September 11.

Flight 93: Environmental lawyer Alan Beaven arranged to take Flight 93 on 9/11 the day before, as he was duty-bound to go to San Francisco to help settle a case after talks had just broken down. [39] "Normally," passenger Todd Beamer "would have left [for San Francisco] the night before." But on September 10 he had returned from a trip to Italy and wanted some time with his children before flying out. [40] Edward Felt "was on a last-minute business trip to San Francisco." [41] Sisters-in-law Patricia Cushing and Jane Folger had "moved up the time of their flight" in the days before 9/11. [42] Mark Bingham "had missed his plane the day before because of a hangover from a friend's birthday party." [43] Jeremy Glick "was supposed to leave Monday night, but there were problems at the airport: He decided to wait 'til Tuesday morning." [44] Nicole Miller's "Monday night ... flight back to the Bay Area was canceled due to weather. Miller re-booked on a flight the next morning." [45] Lou Nacke "only booked his seat the night before. He had a customer on the coast with an inventory problem and offered to fly out first thing Tuesday morning to fix it." [46] When she'd checked in at the airport on September 11, Georgine Corrigan switched to Flight 93, as it was non-stop, whereas her original plane would be making two stops on the way to San Francisco. [47]

A number of the Flight 93 passengers were originally booked on United Airlines Flight 91, scheduled to depart 1 hour 20 minutes after Flight 93, at 9:20 a.m. Deora Bodley "was supposed to take United Flight 91, but decided the night before to take one an hour earlier so she could get home sooner to her family and boyfriend." [48] Christine Snyder "called to check on her flight, Flight 91," early in the morning of September 11, and "moved up to Flight 93 for an earlier start." [49] Lauren Grandcolas "had been scheduled for United 91, but her car service had arrived at the airport early." [50] Husband and wife Donald and Jean Peterson "arrived at the airport early for United Flight 91 ... so they switched to Flight 93." [51] Tom Burnett, according to author Jere Longman, "had changed his plans. ... He would be leaving at 8 a.m. instead of taking Flight 91." (The San Francisco Chronicle said, however, that he'd originally been booked on a Delta Airlines flight that afternoon.) [52]

NOTES

[1] Sally Applegate, "Flight 11 Crew Not Forgotten." Georgetown Record, September 18, 2003. Credit to Woody Box for having found this little-known information.
[2] Elaine Sciolino and John H. Cushman Jr., "A Route out of Washington, Horribly Changed." New York Times, September 13, 2001.
[3] Susan Besze Wallace, "Legacy of Sept. 11 Pilot Comforts Widow." Denver Post, December 16, 2001.
[4] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back. New York: HarperCollins, 2002, p. 1.
[5] "The Attack on America Hits Home." Cape Cod Times, September 10, 2002.
[6] "Among the Lost: Victims Included CEO, Researcher." Seattle Times, September 17, 2001.
[7] "Jean Destrehan Roger." Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2001.
[8] "American Flight 11 Victims at a Glance." Associated Press, September 25, 2001.
[9] Wendy Killeen, "Flight Attendant Changes Course." Boston Globe, May 22, 2005; "Twists of Fate: Stories from 9/11." CNN Presents, CNN, October 8, 2005.
[10] Michael Taylor, "Airline Passengers Keeping Eyes Peeled." San Francisco Chronicle, October 23, 2001.
[11] Joseph P. Kahn, "The Flight Not Taken." Boston Globe, September 8, 2002.
[12] Meg Murphy, "Flight Workers: 'It Could Have Been Any of Us.'" Cape Cod Times, September 14, 2001; Meg Murphy, "Three Cape Flight Attendants Reflect on Returning to Air." Cape Cod Times, March 10, 2002.
[13] Tom Murphy, Reclaiming the Sky: 9/11 and the Untold Story of the Men and Women Who Kept America Flying. New York: AMACOM, 2006, pp. 42-43.
[14] Eunice Moscoso, "Not All Airline Pilots Want to be Armed." Atlanta Journal-Constitution, August 9, 2002; Cynthia Kopkowski, "Stewardess Returns to Work after Passing on Ill-Fated Flight." Daily Reflector, September 11, 2002.
[15] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 28, 2001; Maria C. Johnson, "Mother Wants People to Remember Bradshaw, Sept. 11." Greensboro News-Record, September 3, 2006.
[16] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny."
[17] Kim Barker, Louise Kiernan, and Steve Mills, "The Heroes of Flight 93." Chicago Tribune, October 2, 2001; "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash." Associated Press, September 9, 2006.
[18] "Their Lives, Deaths Touch Us All." Chicago Tribune, September 13, 2001.
[19] "Charming the Snake and the Husband; Making the Fire Drills Count." New York Times, June 2, 2002.
[20] Steve Lopez, "When Love Stands Bravely against Unbearable Grief." Los Angeles Times, October 24, 2001.
[21] "Bittersweet Memories of Lives Cut Short." Chicago Tribune, September 17, 2001.
[22] "Region Remembers Terrorism Victims." Boston Globe, September 16, 2001.
[23] Alice Dembner and Bella English, "Firm and Families Mourn Seven Women." Boston Globe, September 13, 2001.
[24] Amy Goldstein and Cheryl W. Thompson, "Jet Crash Victims' Stories Start to Emerge." Washington Post, September 12, 2001.
[25] Liz Kowalczyk and Beth Healy, "After Tragedy, Executives Feel Invincible No More." Boston Globe, September 13, 2001.
[26] Ibid.
[27] "American Flight 11 Victims at a Glance."
[28] "Calls to Family ... Then Silence." Chicago Tribune, September 14, 2001.
[29] "United Flight 175 Victims at a Glance." Associated Press, September 25, 2001.
[30] Jim McCabe, "Team Players Bavis Was at Center of Extended Family." Boston Globe, September 16, 2001.
[31] John Glionna and Joe Mozingo, "Lurched into Grief, Families Are Left Only with Questions." Los Angeles Times, September 13, 2001; "A Spitball-Shooting Executive, a Frank Zappa Fan, and the Lawn King." New York Times, March 31, 2002.
[32] "Barbara Olson: A Sparkling Celebrity 'Full of Energy.'" Newsday, February 27, 2002.
[33] Shawn D. Lewis, "Memorial Day Recalls Pain of 9/11." Detroit News, May 27, 2002.
[34] "Calls to Family ... Then Silence."
[35] United States of America v. Zacarias Moussaoui. United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division, April 11, 2006, pp. 59-60.
[36] John Scheibe, "Thousand Oaks, Calif., Scientist among Dead in Hijacking." Knight Ridder, September 14, 2001; "Dora Menchaca." Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2001.
[37] "Ruben Ornedo." Los Angeles Times, September 17, 2001.
[38] "Team from National Geographic Killed in Pentagon Crash." National Geographic News, September 12, 2001; "Maryland's Lost." Baltimore Sun, September 19, 2001.
[39] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination." San Francisco Chronicle, September 17, 2001; Peter Hecht, "A Spiritual Journey Aborted on Flight 93." Sacramento Bee, September 30, 2001.
[40] Angie Cannon, "Final Words from Flight 93." US News and World Report, October 21, 2001.
[41] "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash."
[42] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 35.
[43] Karen Breslau, "Courage in the Air." Newsweek, September 27, 2001.
[44] Jane Pauley, "No Greater Love." NBC News, September 11, 2006.
[45] Oakley Brooks, "School Daze." Saratoga News, September 26, 2001.
[46] Jane Pauley, "No Greater Love."
[47] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 12; "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash."
[48] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination."
[49] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny."
[50] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 12.
[51] Ibid. p. 16.
[52] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination"; Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 8.

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**Rings of Saturn** · 9 Mar 2010 , 22:16 PM

Excellent work...with reliable sources. And I am sure there are more...

Ok, so do you have a theory or conclusion as to WHY these people were on these planes...how they got there and where they went? Do you think they were agents of some sort...or maybe some were..some weren't? Some eliminated...some relocated?

Also...you say that there were 9 flight attendents on Flight 11? You mean stewardesses and pilots? I have never seen so many people on even a big flight.

7 Mar 2010 , 04:03 AM	#2
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,823 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Look in this slot later as it will be filled with part II and the conclusion and summary. More to come! __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

7 Mar 2010 , 19:28 PM	#5
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,823 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Good feedback ROS -- I will put in an alternate ending with that hypothesis so the general concept won't be pitched because it doesn't meet someones threshold or own 911 view. I'll add that tonight ROS. But I beg to differ with you on the passengers being in on it. We already have done research and in my opinion deposed roughly 10 people from the 4 flights. While we might disagree on particulars, my own initial breakdown at this point in investigating this is this; Control Group -- All Military people aboard any of the 4 flights -- (20-25% of passengers) Control Group -- All Military Industrial people, Raytheon, Boeing, etc. (25-30% of passengers right here) Control Group -- Misc Criminal network ties. e.g. Eric Hartano, 20 year old student on Flight 175. Seems innocuous enough and hard to depose, right? Until you find out his father was Sam Hartano, who was being prosecuted for ripping off the Indonesian CENTRAL BANK. Sam Hartano, oddly, went missing from Indonesian law about 1 year after Eric hartano, his son, allegedly perished on 911. Control Group --- High profile people. Presidents, Vice Presidents, CEO's, CFO's, Directors, Project Managers, Playwrights, Actors, Producers, Actors who were supposed to fly on 911 on 93,. There was inordinately high numbers of all these types of people aboard all 4 flights. It is a statistical improbability to say the least and an impossibility to say it like it is. Control Group -- Dead people. We have several instances of dead people on the passengers manifests. Also, people from other flights were added into the passengers manifest, in at least one instance with 2 people. They tried to have this corrected but am not sure how far they actually got in rectifying it. I think you get the idea. I don't think that the problem regarding this issue is my theory as much as it is your own imagination. The people who did 911 are part of a huge criminal network, and they recycle people and identities on a daily basis. They do after all have all the powers of this government and most others around the world. To recycle a few hundred people and give them new lives and identities is childs play for them. -- Check out this link -- Eric Hartano. Seemingly innocuous. Young. No ties to the underworld or crime. Allegedly a passenger on flight 175. BUT WAIT! Lets see who his father is; http://letsrollforums.com/mystery-pa...942#post173942 (thanks to firetown and elishevadpw for their research in this) As an investigator we have to ask the question; Did any of the passengers on an of the 4 flights have motives or reason to disappear and if so, did they have any connections to the international crime network. And in both cases, the answer is yes for Eric Hartano. ROS -- I have also changed the ending of the article per your feedback and will change it in the middle of the article as well, to give the reader a choice of passenger conspirators or passenger victims, or perhaps both. Thanks for the positive feedback! Cheers- Phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

7 Mar 2010 , 21:15 PM	#7
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,823 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Well, I hear and am going to start a thread where we are going to go through all 265 people, once and for all, and try and depose them, look for suspicious ties, networks, patterns. I am sure that there are many on the flights, where we won't be a lucky as were were with Eric Hartano, whose father was part of the criminal network, and ripped off the Central Bank in Indonesia. Once we get this entire thread done, everyone here will be surprised I think. We have so many Actors, Producers, CEO's, CFO's Presidents, Vice Presidents, TV News Anchors, Project Managers, Military Brass, Pentagon people, Military Industrial people, Playrights, Fraternity Presidents, Restaurant Chain owners, it isn't even believable. And I mean that as in not believable. Is there this many famous people or VIP's on every 4 flights that takes off from those 3 airports? Not even close. You would be lucky to find even one person in the categories above on any 4 flights. It is a statistical implausibility which begs reason. Every famous person or who's who was on one of the 4 flights. the only famous or VIP not on any of the flights I think was Alice in Wonderland, because she was filming her new film in Holly-wood. Can you see where I am coming from? And we haven't even gotten to any of the stranger coinkidinks, if you want to call them that. And lets not forget about all the famous people who missed one of the 4 flights; Numerous reports from numerous famous people, EVEN MORE ACTORS AND VIP's claiming they missed one of the planes, or were going to fly on 911. They knew that the 4 flights were going to be fake, because they of course were planning this, and knowing this over compensated to kingdom come for the passenger list to convince Americans there were really 4 planes with real passengers. I hate to sum it up like this, but sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words; "Thou (them) protesteth too much..." The only reason nobody has really pursued the passenger angle is for the fear of it. But I am telling you I believe this is their weakest link. Just wait a few weeks after we make a few more threads and I get my famous people on the 4 flights thread going. Then see what you think... I can see having maybe one famous or VIP person on 1 of the flights to make it believable. But 15-20? 50? This is so far off the charts. It is disproportionate on a scale that makes it not believable. I mean this is an important clue. It shows beyond doubt the passenger list was manufactured beforehand, and it also shows a larger criminal network then you presently imagine. And I agree with you. The answer on the passengers is somewhere in the middle. What do you think of the rest of the ideas presented in the article? Cheers- Phil __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

9 Mar 2010 , 17:19 PM	#9
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,823 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Last-Minute Pilots, Passengers, and Flight Attendants: The Unexplained Oddity of 9/11 Please take the time to read this through and aquaint yourself with this information. The story of the passengers cannot bear any inquiry at all without the whole entire story breaking down and shattering to pieces. The story of the flight crews also cannot bear any honest inquiry, as you will see, the entire story is implausible. From beginning to end, it is full of discrepancies, lies, fabrications, and outright unbelievable odds. Take a look at how many of the Pilots and Flight attendants were not scheduled to fly but somehow, against all odds, ended up on these fateful flights. Had they published the many stories like this in the state run media, heads would have rolled long ago, because no one would believe any of this if they were told even the truth as it is on those 4 flights. Also see how many of the passengers had 'last minute' changes onto the planes, as well as how many of our 'hero's' on flight 93 weren't even scheduled to fly on 93. Read the story below and tell me if it is as abrasive to your own sense of reason as it is to mine. Snippets: Flight Crews Flight 11: There were nine flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11 the morning of 9/11. At least four of them were not originally booked to be on this flight Flight 175: There were seven flight attendants on this plane on 9/11, at least four of whom had only recently been assigned to it. Flight 77: Of the four attendants on this plane, at least two were not originally scheduled to be on it. Flight 93: At least three of the five attendants on this flight were not originally booked to be on it. Snippets: Passengers Flight 175: Touri Bolourchi "was not supposed to be aboard Flight 175 Flight 77: Barbara Olson, who flew on Flight 77 on 9/11, was originally "scheduled to fly to Los Angeles on the night of Sept. 10," but "changed her schedule Flight 93: Environmental lawyer Alan Beaven arranged to take Flight 93 on 9/11 the day before * Flight 93: A number of the Flight 93 passengers were originally booked on United Airlines Flight 91 * How can Alan Beaven arrange to fly on flight 93 the day before 9/11? Flight 93 was not even created until about 2 hours before it flew on 9/11. But wait, there is a whole lot more; these are just 'snippets.' All of this is once again on the not believable scale. Cheers- Phil Original link: Here's my latest blog entry, with some new details about 9/11 you probably haven't read before. The original is here: http://shoestring911.blog...ilots-passengers-and.html Last-Minute Pilots, Passengers, and Flight Attendants: The Unexplained Oddity of 9/11 In all the valuable research that has been conducted into 9/11, a significant detail has so far been mostly overlooked: An examination of news reports and other accounts reveals that a surprising proportion of the people on the four targeted planes had only been booked onto those flights at the last minute, often the day before or even the morning of September 11. Pilots on three of the four planes, more than half of all the flight attendants, and many passengers--including almost half those on Flight 93--were not originally booked to be on those flights. It is difficult to dismiss all this evidence as mere coincidence. There must be specific reasons that we do not yet know about. For the truth to be uncovered will require further study by independent researchers, scrutiny by the press, and proper formal investigations of the 9/11 attacks. Below is a summary of these latecomers to the four planes: American Airlines Flights 11 and 77, and United Airlines Flights 175 and 93. REPLACEMENT PILOTS The pilot at the controls of Flight 11--the first plane to hit the World Trade Center--before it was supposedly hijacked was John Ogonowski. However, as the Georgetown Record reported: "American Airlines Captain Walter Sorenson of Groveland was scheduled to fly Flight #11 on Sept. 11, 2001. He was disappointed when he was replaced by Captain John Ogonowski, who had seniority over Sorenson and requested to fly that day. ... The last-minute change of pilots ... spared Sorenson's wife Sarah the untimely loss of a young husband." [1] On Flight 77, which supposedly hit the Pentagon, the pilot and co-pilot were Charles Burlingame and David Charlebois. But, as the New York Times reported: "Bill Cheng, an American Airlines pilot who normally flies Flight 77, changed his plans in late August [2001] and applied for time off on Tuesday [September 11] so he could go camping. When another pilot signed up for the slot, Mr. Cheng's application was accepted." [2] Whether it was Burlingame or Charlebois that replaced him is unstated. And the pilot of Flight 93 was Jason Dahl. But according to the Denver Post: "Dahl piloted United Flight 93 on Sept. 11 because he asked to. At his request, [his wife] traded for the flight on their home computer. He'd wanted to get back to Ken-Caryl Valley sooner to start celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary. Days after the request, Dahl's terrorist-invaded plane took a nose dive in a Pennsylvania field." [3] Dahl took Flight 93 in exchange for a flight he'd been booked on later that month. [4] UNSCHEDULED FLIGHT ATTENDANTS Flight 11: There were nine flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11 the morning of 9/11. At least four of them were not originally booked to be on this flight, but had recently been assigned to it. Barbara "Bobbi" Arestegui "was not scheduled to work Flight 11 that day but had accepted extra flights. She was saving up vacation to take a trip with her boyfriend to Vermont at the end of this month." [5] Jeffrey Collman "didn't normally work the Boston-to-Los Angeles route but made an exception to get vacation time at the end of the month." [6] Jean Roger was a relatively new flight attendant, and every third month was placed on a "standby" work list. On September 11, "Someone called in sick and she had to go." [7] And Sara Low also "was not originally scheduled to work the flight." [8] Flight 175: There were seven flight attendants on this plane on 9/11, at least four of whom had only recently been assigned to it. Robert Fangman was a reserve attendant for Flight 175, and was on it by chance. He replaced Elise O'Kane, who'd been on the flight regularly for the previous six months. When she was signing up for her flights for the month, O'Kane entered an incorrect code into the computer, which scheduled her instead for flights from Boston to Denver. She later said "she had never made such an error in 16 years as a flight attendant." She had subsequently "made several attempts to switch onto the flight, but had computer problems." [9] Another original attendant was Elaine Lawrence. However, "because she was going on vacation, she traded shifts with her close friend, Amy Jarret." [10] Lauren Gurskis was also one of the original attendants. "In August of [2001], however, she switched assignments--trip-traded, as flight attendants call it--so that she could drive her son to his first day of kindergarten." According to the Boston Globe, Kathryn Laborie was most likely the attendant that replaced her. [11] One more of the original attendants, Barbara McFarland, had "decided to spend an extra day with her son," and so she "swapped shifts with another attendant." The name of this attendant is unstated. [12] Flight 77: Of the four attendants on this plane, at least two were not originally scheduled to be on it. Michele Heidenberger regularly flew from Washington's Reagan National Airport to Dallas, but on 9/11 was unusually flying out of Dulles Airport on Flight 77. When Heidenberger phoned her friend Toni Knisley, an administrator at Reagan Airport, shortly before boarding her plane, Knisley was surprised, saying: "What are you doing at Dulles? Aren't you flying your regular turn to Dallas today?" Heidenberger explained: "I'm working Flight 77 to LA because I want to take time off in October to go to Italy with [my husband] and the kids." [13] Renee May was only assigned to Flight 77 during the morning of 9/11. American Airlines had earlier called another attendant, Lena Brown, and asked her to take the flight, but Brown said she would be unable to get to the airport in time. "Renee May, the next flight attendant on American Airlines' list, accepted." [14] Flight 93: At least three of the five attendants on this flight were not originally booked to be on it. Sandra Bradshaw "liked working first class," but "was in economy because she'd picked up Flight 93 late in the planning." She had "switched flights with another attendant." [15] Wanda Green "had been scheduled to fly Sept. 13, but Green, who also worked as a real estate agent, realized she had to handle the closing of a home sale Sept. 13. She'd phoned her best friend, fellow flight attendant Donita Judge, who opened United's computerized schedule and shifted Green to the Sept. 11 flight." [16] Deborah Welsh "usually avoided early-morning flights," and "was not originally slated to be on Flight 93, but was assigned to the flight when she swapped shifts." [17] It wasn't just pilots and flight attendants who'd joined the doomed flights late. A large number of the passengers had similarly not originally been booked on these aircraft. LAST-MINUTE PASSENGERS Flight 11: Alexander Filipov "originally held a ticket for a Delta flight, but switched at the last minute to American Flight 11." [18] Edmund Glazer had got a call from his company's home office in Los Angeles the night of September 10, asking for his help on a major project. "In his obliging way, Mr. Glazer boarded Flight 11 the next morning." [19] Pendyala Vamsikrishna "was to leave Boston on Sept. 10, but hadn't finished his job, and rescheduled for the following day on American Airlines Flight 11." [20] Brian Dale "was supposed to have flown Monday night. But the Warren, NJ, man instead opted to fly out Tuesday morning." [21] Peter Hashem "had been scheduled to take an earlier flight but postponed the trip in order to make time to attend his son's soccer game." [22] Robin Kaplan had also been scheduled to take an earlier flight, but "she would have had to get up too early, so she didn't." [23] David Angell and his wife Lynn "were on board [Flight 11], even though they had originally planned to take a later flight." [24] David Kovalcin "wasn't supposed to fly to California until later this week." But his company's managers "were looking for someone to leave on Tuesday to discuss a hardware problem with a supplier. He volunteered." [25] Christopher Mello had originally "planned to return home on a red-eye flight the next day." [26] And Kenneth Waldie "was supposed to leave Wednesday, but he got the flight the day before." [27] Flight 175: Touri Bolourchi "was not supposed to be aboard Flight 175, but she decided to stay a few extra days in Boston to visit her daughter and two grandchildren." [28] Francis Grogan "was not originally booked on Flight 175, but overcrowding on his original flight bumped him." [29] Mark Bavis "was originally scheduled for the 11 a.m. departure but pushed it up a few hours." [30] And Daniel Brandhorst, Ronald Gamboa, and their adopted son David, "changed their flight plans so they could return to Los Angeles from Boston on Sept. 11." Brandhorst's mother had "thought her son was flying the previous night." [31] Flight 77: Barbara Olson, who flew on Flight 77 on 9/11, was originally "scheduled to fly to Los Angeles on the night of Sept. 10," but "changed her schedule ... to be with her husband on the morning of his 61st birthday." [32] Barbara Edwards "had gone to Connecticut for a wedding and was supposed to return home Saturday [September 8]." But, "her friends talked her into staying with them so she took the flight that crashed into the Pentagon." [33] Vicki Yancey "had planned to leave Washington earlier, but ticketing problems delayed her departure." [34] After a vacation with their daughter, husband and wife Shuyin Yang and Yuguang Zheng were "scheduled to leave for China on September 10." But as they had only finished their vacation on September 9, their daughter "felt it might be a hassle for my parents [to] leave [in] just like a couple hours and to get on the plane. So, I have them to reschedule their flight ticket to September 11." [35] Dora Menchaca was in Washington for two days of meetings. "The meetings ended late Monday [September 10], a day earlier than expected." So, "The next morning, flying on standby, she caught an earlier-than-scheduled departure to California." [36] Ruben Ornedo was originally scheduled to fly two weeks after 9/11. But "during a lull in an extended Washington business trip he seized the chance to rush home for a day or two and see his wife." [37] One group of passengers on Flight 77 comprised eight individuals: three teachers and three 11-year-old students who had been selected to participate in a program at the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, accompanied by two staff members of the National Geographic Society. According to a close friend of one of the teachers, Sarah Clark, "She was originally supposed to go to Florida, but two weeks [before 9/11] they changed it and told her she was going to California." [38] There were likely more passengers who were only booked onto these flights at the last minute, but I have simply not yet come across the reports describing this. And it seems reasonable to assume there were even more of these late additions to the flights, where the details of these individuals' travel arrangements have so far gone unreported. In the case of Flight 93, however, since the official story revolves around the heroism of the passengers who supposedly fought back against terrorists, we have the fortune that a lot more has been written about these individuals and how they came to be on that flight. What has been reported is extraordinary: Of the 33 passengers (excluding the four supposed hijackers), at least 16 had only recently been booked onto the plane. Some only joined it early in the morning of September 11. Flight 93: Environmental lawyer Alan Beaven arranged to take Flight 93 on 9/11 the day before, as he was duty-bound to go to San Francisco to help settle a case after talks had just broken down. [39] "Normally," passenger Todd Beamer "would have left [for San Francisco] the night before." But on September 10 he had returned from a trip to Italy and wanted some time with his children before flying out. [40] Edward Felt "was on a last-minute business trip to San Francisco." [41] Sisters-in-law Patricia Cushing and Jane Folger had "moved up the time of their flight" in the days before 9/11. [42] Mark Bingham "had missed his plane the day before because of a hangover from a friend's birthday party." [43] Jeremy Glick "was supposed to leave Monday night, but there were problems at the airport: He decided to wait 'til Tuesday morning." [44] Nicole Miller's "Monday night ... flight back to the Bay Area was canceled due to weather. Miller re-booked on a flight the next morning." [45] Lou Nacke "only booked his seat the night before. He had a customer on the coast with an inventory problem and offered to fly out first thing Tuesday morning to fix it." [46] When she'd checked in at the airport on September 11, Georgine Corrigan switched to Flight 93, as it was non-stop, whereas her original plane would be making two stops on the way to San Francisco. [47] A number of the Flight 93 passengers were originally booked on United Airlines Flight 91, scheduled to depart 1 hour 20 minutes after Flight 93, at 9:20 a.m. Deora Bodley "was supposed to take United Flight 91, but decided the night before to take one an hour earlier so she could get home sooner to her family and boyfriend." [48] Christine Snyder "called to check on her flight, Flight 91," early in the morning of September 11, and "moved up to Flight 93 for an earlier start." [49] Lauren Grandcolas "had been scheduled for United 91, but her car service had arrived at the airport early." [50] Husband and wife Donald and Jean Peterson "arrived at the airport early for United Flight 91 ... so they switched to Flight 93." [51] Tom Burnett, according to author Jere Longman, "had changed his plans. ... He would be leaving at 8 a.m. instead of taking Flight 91." (The San Francisco Chronicle said, however, that he'd originally been booked on a Delta Airlines flight that afternoon.) [52] NOTES [1] Sally Applegate, "Flight 11 Crew Not Forgotten." Georgetown Record, September 18, 2003. Credit to Woody Box for having found this little-known information. [2] Elaine Sciolino and John H. Cushman Jr., "A Route out of Washington, Horribly Changed." New York Times, September 13, 2001. [3] Susan Besze Wallace, "Legacy of Sept. 11 Pilot Comforts Widow." Denver Post, December 16, 2001. [4] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back. New York: HarperCollins, 2002, p. 1. [5] "The Attack on America Hits Home." Cape Cod Times, September 10, 2002. [6] "Among the Lost: Victims Included CEO, Researcher." Seattle Times, September 17, 2001. [7] "Jean Destrehan Roger." Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2001. [8] "American Flight 11 Victims at a Glance." Associated Press, September 25, 2001. [9] Wendy Killeen, "Flight Attendant Changes Course." Boston Globe, May 22, 2005; "Twists of Fate: Stories from 9/11." CNN Presents, CNN, October 8, 2005. [10] Michael Taylor, "Airline Passengers Keeping Eyes Peeled." San Francisco Chronicle, October 23, 2001. [11] Joseph P. Kahn, "The Flight Not Taken." Boston Globe, September 8, 2002. [12] Meg Murphy, "Flight Workers: 'It Could Have Been Any of Us.'" Cape Cod Times, September 14, 2001; Meg Murphy, "Three Cape Flight Attendants Reflect on Returning to Air." Cape Cod Times, March 10, 2002. [13] Tom Murphy, Reclaiming the Sky: 9/11 and the Untold Story of the Men and Women Who Kept America Flying. New York: AMACOM, 2006, pp. 42-43. [14] Eunice Moscoso, "Not All Airline Pilots Want to be Armed." Atlanta Journal-Constitution, August 9, 2002; Cynthia Kopkowski, "Stewardess Returns to Work after Passing on Ill-Fated Flight." Daily Reflector, September 11, 2002. [15] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 28, 2001; Maria C. Johnson, "Mother Wants People to Remember Bradshaw, Sept. 11." Greensboro News-Record, September 3, 2006. [16] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny." [17] Kim Barker, Louise Kiernan, and Steve Mills, "The Heroes of Flight 93." Chicago Tribune, October 2, 2001; "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash." Associated Press, September 9, 2006. [18] "Their Lives, Deaths Touch Us All." Chicago Tribune, September 13, 2001. [19] "Charming the Snake and the Husband; Making the Fire Drills Count." New York Times, June 2, 2002. [20] Steve Lopez, "When Love Stands Bravely against Unbearable Grief." Los Angeles Times, October 24, 2001. [21] "Bittersweet Memories of Lives Cut Short." Chicago Tribune, September 17, 2001. [22] "Region Remembers Terrorism Victims." Boston Globe, September 16, 2001. [23] Alice Dembner and Bella English, "Firm and Families Mourn Seven Women." Boston Globe, September 13, 2001. [24] Amy Goldstein and Cheryl W. Thompson, "Jet Crash Victims' Stories Start to Emerge." Washington Post, September 12, 2001. [25] Liz Kowalczyk and Beth Healy, "After Tragedy, Executives Feel Invincible No More." Boston Globe, September 13, 2001. [26] Ibid. [27] "American Flight 11 Victims at a Glance." [28] "Calls to Family ... Then Silence." Chicago Tribune, September 14, 2001. [29] "United Flight 175 Victims at a Glance." Associated Press, September 25, 2001. [30] Jim McCabe, "Team Players Bavis Was at Center of Extended Family." Boston Globe, September 16, 2001. [31] John Glionna and Joe Mozingo, "Lurched into Grief, Families Are Left Only with Questions." Los Angeles Times, September 13, 2001; "A Spitball-Shooting Executive, a Frank Zappa Fan, and the Lawn King." New York Times, March 31, 2002. [32] "Barbara Olson: A Sparkling Celebrity 'Full of Energy.'" Newsday, February 27, 2002. [33] Shawn D. Lewis, "Memorial Day Recalls Pain of 9/11." Detroit News, May 27, 2002. [34] "Calls to Family ... Then Silence." [35] United States of America v. Zacarias Moussaoui. United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division, April 11, 2006, pp. 59-60. [36] John Scheibe, "Thousand Oaks, Calif., Scientist among Dead in Hijacking." Knight Ridder, September 14, 2001; "Dora Menchaca." Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2001. [37] "Ruben Ornedo." Los Angeles Times, September 17, 2001. [38] "Team from National Geographic Killed in Pentagon Crash." National Geographic News, September 12, 2001; "Maryland's Lost." Baltimore Sun, September 19, 2001. [39] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination." San Francisco Chronicle, September 17, 2001; Peter Hecht, "A Spiritual Journey Aborted on Flight 93." Sacramento Bee, September 30, 2001. [40] Angie Cannon, "Final Words from Flight 93." US News and World Report, October 21, 2001. [41] "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash." [42] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 35. [43] Karen Breslau, "Courage in the Air." Newsweek, September 27, 2001. [44] Jane Pauley, "No Greater Love." NBC News, September 11, 2006. [45] Oakley Brooks, "School Daze." Saratoga News, September 26, 2001. [46] Jane Pauley, "No Greater Love." [47] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 12; "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash." [48] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination." [49] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny." [50] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 12. [51] Ibid. p. 16. [52] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination"; Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 8. Please see these supporting threads; The "4" Flights of 9/11 - What about the Passengers? What happened to them? Mystery of the Passengers & Planes of 911 Solved? 4 Passengers lists of 911 & Occupations of Victims Phantom passenger -alive and well- how many more?? ( 1 2) Flight 93: Forty lives, one destiny Passenger: Todd Beamer Pictures of Extra Equipment on Look-A-Like Flight 175 Targeting Laser Light Spot at the World Trade Center! 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7 Mar 2010 , 18:12 PM	#3
SoldierOfTheLord Moderator Join Date: 17 Dec 2004 Location: Northeast US Posts: 4,001 Threads: 629 Thanked 877 Times in 438 Posts	Sounds like that pretty much sums it up! I always believed that they were all shuffled off and their identities were changed - it makes the most sense. Also makes sense why "Mrs. Beamer" bout a 2 million dollar house - wasn't that how much it was? Yep - this puts all the pieces together. __________________ Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and The Life - the 9/11 truth WILL come out, He will not let the LIE stand! The word is getting out by leaps and bounds - let's stand together and be ready - because "the glass is about to overflow"!! ;) -Kathy

7 Mar 2010 , 19:03 PM	#4
Rings of Saturn Academic Join Date: 9 Oct 2007 Posts: 900 Threads: 104 Thanked 221 Times in 114 Posts	Good work! The Cleveland airport thing was always a red flag for me...and it would be easy to take that over with all the chaos. I'll also buy that decks were switch with these planes and everyone ended there. But I'm sorry...I can't buy the idea that ALL or most of those people were in on it...and IDs changed etc etc. Nope...can't by it. We're again expecting everyone to keep quiet about a major operation...and that just is a HUGE liability. Even for military brass or other personell....its too much of a risk. There is NO way an operation like this could be pulled off with 200-1000 people in on it..and not squeal or talk. Cover up afterwards....perhaps a few people...but NOT being in on it before. If anything..these were regular people....relocated to Cleveland...then were reboarded onto another plane...and helplessly sent to the bottom of the sea somewhere. Unsuspecting and not knowing...they were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time...and no one made it out alive. The very few perpetrators probably duped the contollers and workers at Cleveland that the "off the radar" flights were for re-location...to help....and they never knew the difference. The war games were all a part of the plan to confuse...and those culprits prolly had know idea either...till afterwards..to which they were silenced, somehow. Like a good majic trick...it was all too easy to pull off...

7 Mar 2010 , 20:56 PM	#6
Rings of Saturn Academic Join Date: 9 Oct 2007 Posts: 900 Threads: 104 Thanked 221 Times in 114 Posts	I guess I have too much faith in my fellow Americans. That's why I cant swallow an "official black op" -- 911. The main reason is the logistics of keeping people quiet...and by some people's ideas...you're talking HUNDREDS of people. I am in an industry where I try to keep my business and other projects quiet...it NEVER happens. This is with 10-20 people...and wild ideas always fly around. They're the ROS conspiracy theorists...always talking and theorisizing what i am up to. Its kinda like the cheating wife...she always gets caught. I can buy that SOME may have been in on it..or thought they were in on another Black Op...maybe a drill? Then, they were eliminated or IDs switched. Maybe the passenger lists were faked..and some didnt even exist. Maybe only 30-40 people were REAL the rest were fakes...like the Northwoods Docs...they proposed FAKE people and funerals for the operation. So many possibilities...and the truth is likley in the middle here soemwhere...but I just cant buy a PILE of people being in on this...with that, I agree with skeptics. It'd be a logistial nightmare keeping them all quiet. It'd be easier to dupe them all...like the personell with the war games...duped into participation...

9 Mar 2010 , 17:07 PM	#8
Rings of Saturn Academic Join Date: 9 Oct 2007 Posts: 900 Threads: 104 Thanked 221 Times in 114 Posts	Phil, I have been having problems with the site...i think I have a bug...it freezes up and messes up on replies. Sorry i didnt get to this till now... Its excellent work...keep it up...the truth is in here somewhere... Like I have always said...its probbaly so simple, we'd be shocked to know how they pulled it off...

9 Mar 2010 , 22:16 PM	#10
Rings of Saturn Academic Join Date: 9 Oct 2007 Posts: 900 Threads: 104 Thanked 221 Times in 114 Posts	Excellent work...with reliable sources. And I am sure there are more... Ok, so do you have a theory or conclusion as to WHY these people were on these planes...how they got there and where they went? Do you think they were agents of some sort...or maybe some were..some weren't? Some eliminated...some relocated? Also...you say that there were 9 flight attendents on Flight 11? You mean stewardesses and pilots? I have never seen so many people on even a big flight.