As usual, YOU and every other antagonist of the One, Holy, Cathoic and Apostolic Faith of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ always, always, ALWAYS must resort to some form of 'ad hominem' attack/conjecture tactic when ALL OF YOU become incapable of defending your 'bible-alone' positions and your 'christianity' subjected to the whims and will of your Subjectivism!

You and everyone else can make up any sort of conjecture or 'ad hominem' dispute against me - that don't matter one iota to me. What matters is what 'THE WORD OF GOD' - that thing you call your 'bible' - has to say about people like yourself and all across the entire face of planet earth who mitigate or marginalize what 'The Bible' ITSELF has to say about the Christian Faith.

Turn your 'attacks' against 'the word of God'!

"There remained faithful to THE TEACHING OF THE APOSTLES, to the brotherhood, to the breaking of Bread and to the (liturgical) prayers."
- Acts 2:42

"But what matters is that I preach what they preach, and THIS is what you all believed.' - St. Paul the Apostle - 1 Corinthians 15:11

"I know quite will that when I have gone fierce wolves will invade you and will have no mercy of the Flock. Even from your own ranks there will be men coming forward with A TRAVISTY OF THE TRUTH on their lips to induce the disciples to follow them." - St. Paul the Apostles - Acts 20:29

"Because any newcome (with bible in hand) has only to proclaim a new Jesus, different from the one we preached, or you have only to receive a new spirit, different from the one that you have already received, a new Gospel, different from the one you have already accepted - AND YOU WELCOME IT WITH OPEN ARMS." - St. Paul the Apostle - 2 Cor. 11:4

"These people are counterfeit Apostles, they are DISHONEST WORKMEN disguised as apostles of Christ. There is nothing unexpected about that; if Satan himself goes disguised as an angel of light, there is no need to be surprized when his servants, too, disguise themselves as the servants of righteousness. They will come to the end that they deserve." - St. Paul the Apostle - 2 Cor. 11:13-14

"I implore you, brothers, be on your guard against ANYBODY who encourages trouble or puts difficulties in the way of THE DOCTRINE you have already been taught. Aviod them." - St. Paul - Romans 16:17-18

"I proclaim Jesus Christ, the revelation of a Mystery kept secret for endless ages, but now so clear that it must be broadcast to pagans everywhere to bring them to THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH. This is only what Scripture has predicted, and it is all part of the way the Eternal God WANTS THINGS TO BE." - St. Paul - Romans 16:25-26

Just HOW MANY TIMES and just HOW MANY PASSAGES from everyone's 'Bible' must I quote from? How many? There are any number of OTHER passages from 'the word of God' - 'YOUR' BIBLES- which support every last blessed thing I assert! Passages such as:

1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9-10; 2 Peter 2:1; 2 John 1:9-10;
3 John 1:9-10; Jude 3-4; Revelation 2:24-25; Galatians 1:6; Ephesians 4:3-6.

I can quote, quote and quote again 'the word of God', 'YOUR' bible, 'til I'm blue in the face and ALL OF YOU anti-Catholic 'bible DISbelieving christians' - in your pride - will REFUSE to 'think better of it' and REPENT, thus submitting yourselves to THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH in the Revelation of God's Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ and His Divine Revelation, His Divine Minister to the human race via His Church's SACRAMENTS!

Admit - simply admit it - ya'll WANT a 'man-made religion'!

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Aren't we forgetting God isn't a religion, but a spiritual bond?

Better watch out or Tocarm will eat you for breakfast! He's an angry, angry man.. (I should know, so am I!! )

What on earth am I doing here WASTING MY TIME talking 'religion', talking 'Christian Scripture', talking 'Christian Creeds', talking 'Christian Dogma and Doctrine', talking Christian New Covenant, talking Christian Sacraments, talking Christian spirituality, talking Christian theology with people who give me nothing but A HARD TIME about every last thing I share with them with respect to CHRISTIANITY when they don't even know what the word 'RELIGION' MEANS!

'Religion' comes to us from the Latin word 'religio' which >MEANS< 'bond between man and God'!

If ya can't get people to understand the most simple, most basic, most fundamental, the most rudimentary DOCTRINE/DOGMA of Christianity and the Christian Church that

>GOD HIMSELF BECAME A MAN & WALKED ON PLANET EARTH 2,000 YEARS AGO<

then what possible good is it TO WASTE TIME 'talking religion' with any of them???

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Tokarm claimed that the catholic church's teachings are as true today as they were in the first century.

Does anyone else see the problem here?

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FIRST CENTURY TEACHINGS - from Christ Himself & His Apostle St. Paul

Jesus Christ Himself:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1;&version=31;

St. Paul, Christ's Own Apostle's Teaching to the Church in Corinth:

"For this is what I (Paul) received from the Lord (Jesus Christ), and in turn passed on to you: that on the same night that He was betrayed, the Lord Jesus took bread, and thanked God for it and broke it, and He said, 'THIS IS MY BODY, WHICH IS FOR YOU; do this as a memorial of Me.' In the same way He took the cup after supper and said, 'This cup IS the New Covenent in My Blood. Whenever you drink it, do this as a memorial of Me. ' Until the Lord comes, therefore, every time you eat this Bread and drink this Cup, you are proclaiming His Death, and so anyone who eats the Bread or drinks the Cup of the Lord unworthily will be behaving unworthily towards the Body and Blood of the Lord."
- St. Paul - 1st Century Church Apostle - 1 Corinthians 11:23-27

Now then, 'DOWN THROUGH THE CENTURIES'...the 8th Century, 13th Century, 14th Century, 15th Century, 18th Century and 20th Century:

http://biblia.com/jesusart/eucharistic.htm

Eucharistic Miracles of the 20th Century:

http://hometown.aol.com/bjw1106/euchmir.htm

'The Real Presence Of God In The Christian Eucharist'

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html

Now then, would you like for me TO POST LINKS to videos which capture the Divine Transubstantiation of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ? That, I can do 'in a heartbeat'!

Regarding 'Transubstantiation':

http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net...isticmiracles/

Now what should we do with those people, even with 'bibles' in their hands, who HAVE, ARE & WILL CONTINUE TO 'change' the 20 centuries worth of Apostolic Teaching of the Catholic Church???

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Who's changing the teachings?

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Trueblue, I'm glad you asked! Everybody on planet earth needs a little religious education:

To answer your question(s):

http://www.catholictradition.org/Euc...estantism1.htm

http://chastitysf.guidetopsychology.com/protestants.htm

http://www.catholic.com/library/Chri..._Eucharist.asp

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ247.HTM

For your personal viewing and personal discernment/discretion:

http://www.monksofadoration.org/Betania.html

http://www.monksofadoration.org/Betania2.html

http://www.monksofadoration.org/Audrey.html

So...in closing this 'Ecumenical Exchange'...simply ACCEPT Christ Jesus' Own Divine Teachings and....

>>> GO TO THE MASS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALREADY!!! <<<

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Ya know, as a Lay Carmelite, my religous Order 'requires' that I do whatever I can TO DO SOMETHING for the sake of the peoples of our 'world' so as to turn their hearts, minds, souls, spirits and their FREE WILL towards a mindful service to God in order TO WORK WITH HIM in bringing about His Divine Will as being 'DONE' down here on and across our planet earth.

Maybe gobs and gobs of people STAY AWAY FROM the Divine Liturgy, THE MASS, of the Catholic Church here on earth because they simply cannot grasp the spiritual/religious/theological significance there is in attending the Mass and receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in the Christian Sacrament of THE EUCHARIST.

Let me share with everyone what the Holy Spirit "told me to tell EVERYONE" about Jesus Christ, Eternally Begotten Son of the Living God our Father in Heaven and His Divine CHRISTIAN Sacrament commonly known as/called 'The Eucharist'. Maybe it might help somebody out there 'in Internet Video Land".

First off, NONE OF US are 'God'. We aren't our own 'Creator'. And all of us live in an 'All' of His Creating.

All of us are 'INCARNATE SPIRITS'. We have a physical/material body and we have our very own 'unseen spirit' which grants us our own 'persona', our own unique and individual 'being' totally seperate and wholly unique from every other creature and creation of God's Own creating.

If we were but BRUTALLY HONEST with ourselves and simply take notice of these material/physical bodies that are ours - if we HONESTLY examined our own bodies as to how they 'are' and how the 'function' within this seen All of God's creating - we cannot help but notice that we are 100% DEPENDENT on God's seen creation in order to sustain us, to nourish us, to keep us health, happy and ALIVE!

Our physical bodies REQUIRE the 'outside source' of AIR to breath. Our physical bodies REQUIRE the 'outside sources' of both FOOD and WATER to drink and eat. Our bodies REQUIRE the sunlight, gravity, the air around us to breathe and to help regulate our body temperatures. We REQUIRE the air in order to hear, to smell and to taste. Our PHYSICAL/BODILY natures are 100% 'all-the-time' DEPENDENT upon all manner of things and stuff that God Himself has Divinely Decreed should, ought and MUST BE in His Own seen Creation - SO THAT - His seen Creation - this 'All' in which we all move, live and have our being - SUSTAINS the living biological life of our physical/material natures!

This FACT of our physical/natural existance - that we are 100% DEPENDENT UP all manner of 'Stuff' that is OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES ought to give a solid, truthful and self-evidence witness and proof that ALL OF US are 100% dependent upon some 'Outside Source' for all manner of things we require for our physical/biological well-being and welfare!

'Stuff' that is 'outside of ourselves' is what can be properly described as 'TRANSCEDENT' from our own personal beings and existance.

If our physical/biological/mateial BODIES are 100% dependent on all manner of 'stuff' that is TRANSCENDENT to our own personal physical bodies - then it follows that our personal 'spirit' - that unseen part of ourselves that gives us the personal possession of our own selves, our own 'personas' - surely must be 100% DEPENDENT on an Unseen Transcedent Source for every manner of 'Unseen Thing' that is required for our unseen/spiritual well-being and welfare!

Our personal 'spirits' need SPIRITUAL NOURISHMENT just as our physical bodies need every manner of material type of nourishment - and that physical nourishment takes the forms of water, food, sunlight, air, warmth, etc.

The Transcendent Source of all things that are spiritual in nature is GOD!

Somehow, someway, an All-Good and All-Loving God HAS TO FEED & NOURISH & MAINTAIN OUR CREATED HUMAN SPIRITS AND SPIRITUAL NATURE! And since God Himself is the Transcendent Source of all spiritual life in either His seen or Unseen 'All' of His Creating - God 'has to' give us HIMSELF in some manner or way as our spiritual 'Nourishment'.

Hence, God Incarnate's Own Words as found in/recorded in 'The Bible':

"Take, eat - THIS IS MY BODY." "Take, drink - THIS IS MY BLOOD."

God is Simple. And God has created mankind simple. And as the author of the Book of Ecclesiastes tells it: Man's complex problems are of his own devising.

Just go TO MASS and let God 'be God' and do whatever manner, type and sort of 'Divine Spiritual Thing' that He knows needs to be done to you, with you, for you, among you SO THAT He can nourish, heal and sustain all of you.

Thank you.

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Right on Trueblue! Want to hear something that pisses off the Pope but pleases God Almighty himself?

Heres what 'saves' a man and brings him into ETERNAL SALVATION, believing this 'Good News' otherwise known as the Gospel;

That Christ Died for your Sins, and Rose on the third day.....

Believing this brings one into an eternal bond with God which only he himself (God) can break, and he has promised never to break such a bond repeatedly in scripture;

"All who come to me, I will in no wise cast away..."

The Pope HATES Pauls Gospel of the good news of salvation, by grace, through simple faith or believing of truth, in this case that Christ died for our sins. 1st Corinthians 15:1-4

Why? Because it leaves out ALL humans and leaves the person totally free in working out his salvation and enjoying fellowship with God through the sacrifice and Resurrection of Christ. With no need of pedophile priests or the Holy Roman Whore of Babylon. And all that that implies...

And the Popes office is the official office of Anti-Christ here on Earth.

He is the Anti-Christ, and the final Anti-Christ will be the 666th Pope.

Cheers-
phil

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