Phil,
Thank you for ending that thread this way.

I've been wondering for some time what kind of Christian-type guy you are.

Sounds like you're my kind of Christian guy,Phil!

I'm not arguing with Tokarm in all these threads, just can't stand to have HUGE stumbling blocks thrown in front of people. It was Tokarm himself who taught me how evil the Catholic Church is , and your revelations about the Vatican fit perfectly in what I already had discovered.

Some time ago I received a PM from a member just wanting to say they had respect for me.

I respect you Phil! Not because you discovered the evidence that fit it all together for me (the POD! ) but because of your character.
It's great to know people like you , there are only a few ! The ultimate truth ,Jesus,is the most elusive truth for most people. Maybe because it's so simple?

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this thread is FAR from over, trust me. I was purposely straight-forward to provoke those who are most opposed to truth,,,

Sleep well, live as long as you can, believe Christ died for you, and enjoy all eternity on him, in him, as a special gift.....

Sweet dreams in other words....

cheers-
phil

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"In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

Amen brother ;)

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-Kathy

This is all a very, VERY SIMPLE matter...

"Everybody and their brother" is going around claiming they are spiritaul bosom buddies with Jesus Christ nowadays.

This is very simple - for EVERYONE who has the Divine Grace of a deeply spiritual and intimate relationship with Jesus, the Christ, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Word of God made flesh - why don't all of you simple GO ASK THE LORD JESUS CHRIST whether or not He spoke these words found in 'your' Bibles:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9;&version=31;

Then as you have the Attention of Jesus Christ while you are at prayer and spiritual communion with Him, GO ASK THE LORD JESUS CHRIST whether or not His Apostle St. Paul "got His Teachings right" in Paul's letter to the Corinthian Church:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...2;&version=31;

Then you call also ASK THE LORD JESUS CHRIST whether or not this is a photograph of His Body and His Blood which >>IS<< the New Chrisitan Covenant with all of mankind!

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html

Ya know....GOD HIMSELF is prefectly capable of SPEAKING FOR HIMSELF as well, you know!

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Does the following passage from Sacred Christian Scripture belong 'in the Bible' or not?

"It is not those who say to Me, 'Lord, Lord', who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the Will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your Name, cast out demons in Your Name, work many miracles in Your Name? then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!

"Therefore, everyone WHO LISTENS to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on rock...et al." - Mt. 7:21-27

Of the 27,000+ 'bible-belieiving/based' denominations in the entire world, which of those 27,000 denominations hold to the 'Biblical Truth' contained in Acts 2:42 which reads:

"These remained faithful to the teaching of the Apostles, to the brotherhood, to the breaking of Bread and to the prayers."

If the Catholic Church ain't teaching 'the teaching of the Apostles', then who in the 27,000+ "True Bible Based/Believing" churches is? Lots and lots of UNchurched and IRreligous people in our world 'want to know'!

Thank you for your sincere, honest, to-the-point reply!

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

Darn it all! I can't believe we got rid of that "ignore" button we had for a short time there. <grin>

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Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and The Life - the 9/11 truth WILL come out, He will not let the LIE stand! The word is getting out by leaps and bounds - let's stand together and be ready - because "the glass is about to overflow"!! ;)
-Kathy

It has been edited. It is easy to see. This isn't to say with some reading between the lines the original, true expression can't be seen! That part where it is said "away from me..." is false. Only those who think God and Jesus have limited compassion and understanding would think otherwise imo

"Alexander the coppersmith has done me a lot of harm; THE LORD WILL REPAY HIM FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE. Be on guard againt him yourself; because he has been bitterly contesting everything that we say."
- St. Paul the Apostle - 2 Timothy 4:14-15

How come Alexander the coppersmith wasn't allowed to do his 'editting' to Apostolic Teachings? Or did he attempt and/or succeed in doing so? And if he did succeed, then why on earth would an all Loving and Compassionate God even remotely Think about 'repaying him for what he has done'?

- tocarm
http://www.carmelnet.org

imo taking things too literally will create quandries like this and that is where the confusion lays

After reading all of Tokarm's links regarding the eucharist, I'm still trying to find the part where Jesus demands that Salvation will only be granted to those who bow and scrape for a priest of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic church , from it's very beginning, has changed the simple truth of Christ's teachings, and turned it into a RELIGION!

Jesus isn't talking about religion anywhere in the New Testament.
He's talking about TRUTH.

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