http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbuste...p-building.htm
One of my favorites. [I do not agree with all that is found at this site, or with "orthodox" protestantism.]

thanks for posting that,freeme,

pretty interesting, and the music is great, hadn't heard that one before!

curious, what is orthodox protestantism? All of the preachers mentioned in that presentation have a different spin, different agenda. Virtually all of them stray from the teachings of Jesus.

There really is no protestant version of the Catholic church, many have tried, all have failed.

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wow, amazing.
this is the ONLY thread I have ever been to that actually KNOWS about the true history of the catholic church.

council of trent 1501 state that anyone whom states that the eurichrist is symbolic is punishable by death.

this law hasnt been removed, the vatican STILL sees it as literally brings Jesus down from heaven and canabalising him.
its a frikin cracker.

revelations talks about a city with sevenhills
Vatican city is the only city that has seven hills

Revelations talks about the anti christ being one whom recieves a crown

Re:6:2: And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

the pope also carries a bowed crucifix (which is a blatant satanic symbol for christ rejection.)

I hope I dont come across 'hating catholics' b/c I dont. I hate what the vatican is and has always been up too.

has anybody here heard of Alberto Rivera?

The AntiChrist is the one spoken of to the Prophet Daniel in his vision. He is head of the New earth Federation, NWO or Novus Ordo Seclorum. This king/kingdom has a body of iron and 10 clay toes...

This would be the Roman Empire, not revived, for it has always been with us via the Holy Roman See, but it would be the Holy Roman See actually taking power, and starting to rule men with an iron fist, and a body which cannot be penetrated.

This makes me think we should go for his toes!

cheers-
phil

Mark, John316 -

Make sure you stick around, I have much to learn and am ignorant on a great many details of all of this, for which all of us are neccessary to bring these things to light and help each other in understanding...

Tell us everything you know about Albert Rivera. I need to learn about this man!

cheers-
phil

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"In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

For any of those who doubt the Vatican is the center of all other Onion skins, they need to read this post.

Enjoy!
phil

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Kissinger to Serve As Papal Adviser?

Pope Benedict XVI has invited Henry Kissinger, former adviser to Richard Nixon, to be a political consultant and he accepted.

BY EDWARD PENTIN

Register Correspondent

November 26-December 2, 2006 Issue

VATICAN CITY — Over the course of his long and controversial career, former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has had many titles. Now he reportedly has one more — adviser to the Pope.

According to the Italian newspaper La Stampa, Pope Benedict XVI has invited the 83-year-old former adviser to Richard Nixon to be a political consultant, and Kissinger has accepted.

Quoting an "authoritative" diplomatic source at the Holy See, the paper reported Nov. 4 that the Nobel laureate was asked at a recent private audience with the Holy Father to form part of a papal "advisory board" on foreign and political affairs.

As the Register went to press, Kissinger's office was unable to confirm or deny the report. La Stampa stood by its story, although the Italian press is less rigorous in its authentication of stories as is the United States Press.

If true, there is speculation on which issues Kissinger would advise the Holy Father. Relations with Islam, Palestine and Israel, and Iraq — Kissinger has been critical of the conduct of the war but opposes a quick withdrawal — are likely to be high up on the agenda.

It has also been speculated that, in view of the Muslim hostility to Benedict's recent Regensburg speech, Kissinger might provide advice on dealing with an increasingly fractious Islamic world.

Furthermore, like the Pope, Kissinger has analyzed the challenges of globalization and might provide advice in this area as well.

"The idea [of his appointment] sounds like a good one," said veteran Vatican journalist Sandro Magister. "But so would it also be to consult other experts on geopolitics with different orientations."

As possible expert advisers with different perspectives, Magister listed Catholic philosopher and former diplomat Michael Novak; Bernard Lewis, professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University; and foreign policy experts such as Charles Kupchan and G. John Ikenberry.

Expert Advice

The recruitment of Kissinger would not be unprecedented. Experts from a variety of disciplines, including the realm of economics, politics and philosophy, are regularly invited to advise popes and Vatican officials on current affairs.

Pope John Paul II was close friends with Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Polish-born national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter, partly because both had a common Polish heritage (though this caused the Soviets to suspect the Vatican of "fixing" the election of Karol Wojtyla, which occurred during the Carter presidency).

Similarly to John Paul and Brzezinski, Benedict and Kissinger are close in age and were both born in Bavaria (a Jew, Kissinger and his family fled Nazi Germany before World War II).

In recent years, other figures invited to share their expertise with the Holy See have included Paul Wolfowitz, a former President Bush adviser and now president of the World Bank; Michel Camdessus, the former director of the International Monetary Fund; American economist Jeffrey Sachs and Hans Tietmeyer, former governor of Germany's central bank.

The pontifical academies also regularly call on academic luminaries as consultants, such as Nobel laureates Gary Becker, the successor to Milton Friedman at the Chicago School of Economics, and Italian medical researcher Rita Levi-Montalcini.

In comments to the Register, Novak said that "many, maybe most" of these experts are not Catholic, but that the Pope "can call in certain experts he wants to talk to, or hear a paper from, with discussion in a small group."

Novak said this is true of both Benedict XVI and John Paul II, whom he described as having "very curious and searching minds."

Any appointment of Kissinger is likely to cause some unease, however. One Iranian radio station is already reporting the news as a "papal-Jewish conspiracy," while others object to the Pope consulting with someone who has been widely identified with the realpolitik school of political analysis, an approach that places practical considerations before morality.

'Different Voices'

Yet like Pope John Paul II, Benedict XVI is winning recognition for his intellectual ability and his capacity to discuss international issues with a diverse spectrum of world figures, ranging from the Dalai Lama to the late atheist polemicist Oriana Fallaci and to Mustapha Cherif, an Algerian Muslim philosopher whom he met this month.

"Such an appointment would really show Benedict XVI to be contrary to his media image, as someone who's willing to listen to other voices not in accordance with his views," said one Holy See diplomat about the reported enlistment of Kissinger as a papal adviser. "It's always helpful to hear different voices offering different views."

Edward Pentin

writes from Rome.

Chinese bishop ordained, Vatican upset
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BEIJING - China ordained a new bishop in its state-approved church Thursday without Vatican approval, a move that could further strain relations between Beijing and Roman Catholic authorities.

Wang Renlei, the 37-year-old vicar-general of the Xuzhou Diocese in the eastern province of Jiangsu, was ordained in a two-hour ceremony attended by about 1,000 people, said Liu Bainian, deputy chairman of the government-backed Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.

"The former Xuzhou bishop is over 90 years old. They need a new, younger bishop," Liu said in a telephone interview after the ordination was finished. "This is the holy order and shouldn't be disturbed."

AsiaNews, a Vatican-affiliated news agency, said Wang "is known as an easygoing person who is very timid toward the government." The agency reported Wednesday that two bishops who were ordained with the approval of the Vatican were detained in Hebei province, in China's north, with the aim of forcing them to take part in Wang's ordination.

"Detaining bishops under duress is becoming the Chinese government's only way to get bishops to attend unlawful ordinations," AsiaNews said. The news agency said priests in the official church are increasingly reluctant to ordain, or be ordained, without the Vatican's permission.

Video of Wang's ordination ceremony, carried on Hong Kong's Cable TV, showed throngs of people crowding around and taking pictures of Wang, who wore a white robe and carried a golden staff.

The church where the ordination took place was decorated with red banners, one of which read: "God lives in glory in heaven."

Liu, of the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, said the ordination was "proper" and should not concern the Vatican.

"It should not and will not hurt the relations between China and the Vatican," Liu said. "Wang's ordination has gone through all the proper processes. He is fully supported by the Xuzhou Diocese. So he deserves it."

China's ties with the Vatican were broken in 1951 after the communists took power.

A major obstacle to the resumption of formal relations is a dispute over who has the power to appoint bishops. The Vatican has said it wants the final say on appointments but is willing to listen to China's opinion. Beijing, however, doesn't appear ready to surrender control.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said the Vatican should "understand" the current system of naming bishops in China.

"We sincerely hope for the improvement of our relations with the Vatican and would like to further explore ways to do that," Jiang said at a regular briefing. She did not elaborate.

Beijing is also at odds with the Holy See over its recognition of Taiwan. The communist mainland claims the island as part of its territory and rejects relations with any nation that recognizes Taiwan's independent, popularly elected government.

Jiang said the Vatican should sever relations with Taiwan and not interfere in China's "internal affairs."

Wang's ordination is the third known to have been carried out this year by the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association without approval from Rome.

Earlier the Chinese church named Bishops Ma Yinglin in the southwestern city of Kunming and Liu Xinhong in the city of Wuhu, in the central province of Anhui.

China's government bars Catholics from having contact with the Vatican and allows worship only in government-monitored churches. Millions remain loyal to the pope and worship in secret, but priests and members of their congregations are frequently detained and harassed.

The two Vatican-approved bishops pressured to attend Thursday's ordination of Wang, Peter Feng Xinmao and Li Liangui, were taken away by officials from the Religious Affairs Bureau and driven to Xuzhou, AsiaNews reported Wednesday.

AsiaNews reported Xuzhou's outgoing bishop, Qian Yurong, "is one of the few bishops of the official Church who has not sought reconciliation with the Pope and ... is well known for his pro-government positions."

A man who answered the telephone at the Hebei Religious Affairs Bureau on Thursday said he was "unclear" about the situation and hung up.

The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association's Liu said he didn't have any information about Feng or Li. "I don't think people would be detained because they didn't attend the ceremony," he said.

Here is a 2 hour interview with Erik Phelps on Vatican Assassins 3.

A MUST LISTEN for those sceptical of Vatican influence in world affairs!

There's TONS of information here.
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Deagle/0611/2...Mon_Deagle.m3u

In my opinion, it's impossible to understand the real reasons for the mess we're in without this information.

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During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing held July 19, senior Senate staffers charged that Sen. Barbara Boxer's (D-Calif.) statements and demeanor exhibited a strong anti-Catholic bias. An observer of the hearing claimed that "Boxer treated the [Roman] Catholic Church as if it were a peculiar cult with 30 or 40 people rather than a world faith professed by more than 1 billion people."

Boxer chaired the hearing on the Bush administration's reinstatement of the "Mexico City Policy," which forbids U.S. taxpayer dollars from supporting overseas groups that promote or perform abortions. Boxer's allegedly anti-Catholic comments occurred during often-heated exchanges with Cathleen Cleaver, director of planning and information, secretariat for pro-life activities, for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Cleaver testified at the hearing to explain the Catholic Church's support for the "Mexico City Policy."

The most contentious moment came when Cleaver stated that Boxer would consider abortion a form of family planning. Boxer responded, "No, no, no, no, no. Time out. Time out. I don't tell you what you believe, and you don't tell me what I believe." Boxer also questioned if the Roman Catholic Church was being "intellectually honest" in its support of the Mexico City Policy. Boxer repeatedly asked Cleaver about the church's stance on artificial contraception. Cleaver responded, "Well, Senator Boxer, the position of the Catholic Church with regard to contraception is very clear and very well-known. Artificial contraception ..." Boxer interrupted, "Well, I don't know, so perhaps you can enlighten me because it may have changed from when I was paying attention to it." The tone of these remarks led one observer to label the senator's comportment toward Cleaver as "rude and embarrassing."
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Boxer sought to establish that the "Mexico City Policy" -- what opponents call the "global gag rule" -- "will cause women and families increased misery and death." According to Cleaver, "The truth of the matter is poor women in developing nations are not calling for help to abort their children. They are calling for food, housing and medicine for themselves and their children so that they can lead lives of full human dignity."

In July 2000, Boxer personally blocked a Senate endorsement of the Catholic Church's presence at the United Nations, which had passed the House of Representatives with only a single dissenting vote.

Boxer also voiced approval for the first international homosexual celebration -- World Pride 2000 -- that was held in Rome during the church's own celebration of the Jubilee Year. Boxer wrote, "I applaud this creative effort to celebrate diversity." Organizers of the event have said that they selected Rome so that "Christian pilgrims will have to share the city with gays and lesbians from Greenland to Afghanistan who are to converge on Rome to party, parade and polemicize. No wonder the Vatican is scared."

Senate observers increasingly are concerned that Bush nominees who are practicing Catholics will not receive a fair hearing from Boxer.

Austin Ruse is the president of the Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute (C-FAM), a New York-based watchdog organization that monitors and reports on political news at the United Nations.

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I watched some King James Bible thumping weirdo by the name of Leonard Schnobelen. He apparently USED to be in the Illuminati, but found the 'light of Jesus' and was turned Christian. Whether or not this man was really a disinformer, he still said a number of alarming things, as well as really interesting things.

#1 Jihad
Jihad was started by a group called "Hashishim" or the Hash Eaters, Muslim males drugged with Hashish and carried out all sorts of nefarious deeds by some man (forgot who...sorry). He got them stoned out of their minds, took them to some secret area with lots of women, pork, wine, you name it. They started "Jihad" which was really drug-based mind control.
#2 His 32nd Degree Freemason certificate (or whatever you'd call it)
He showed some of his credentials. Then went in to a lot of detail about what he learned as a witch, how he got people to sell their souls to the devil, et cetera. But what really astounded me in this area of his speech was that he said some interesting things...one of which was that in order to become a witch you had to become a catholic priest, and remain so for I believe seven years.

Then later on he talks about the "Royal Secret of Freemasonry." I've heard 3 versions of this "royal secret" and by far his was the worst.
#1. Michael Tsarion - it is that Freemasonry stems back to Egypt, and thus, back to Atlantis.
#2. Texe Marrs - The purpose of Freemasonry is to destroy the world
#3. Leonard Schnobelen - The royal secret is...

IMMORTALITY

How can immortality be obtained?

SODOMIZING CHILDREN.


I'm not going into detail. You have to watch this for yourself. It's called Illuminati Exposed. Good luck finding it anywhere on the internet other than Torrentspy. Search there for "Open Your Eyes 5", it's 4 gigs of conspiracy movies, but you can choose which ones you want to download. Illuminati Exposed is a 2 parter.

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-callmelooch-aim

Check this out; Great stuff!

cheers-
Phil :

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