Hello to you.

Bull. After Jayhan got done dumping on catholics with his load of hogwash about how the Catholic church is somehow equivalent to the Roman Empire under the Ceasars, you said:

I say good ridance to all of you ex-catholic traitors. Ya'll oughta be ashamed of yourselves, but unfortunately I've never known any Protestants who knew the meaning of the word shame. They think they don't need to go to confession because "once saved always saved" and that even if they do something wrong, well Jesus paid the price for all of their sins so there.

I see ol "Jerk-off Jimmy" Swaggart is back on the tube strutting around selling his Jimmy Swaggert Commentary on the Bible for $100 bucks a pop. That oughta be a big hit. Great.... oh well hope all you ex catholics are having fun out there in 23,000 Different Denomination Protestant Happy Fun World. Hey SOTL why don't you write a commentary on the Bible? I'll bet you know as much about the subject matter as Jimmy Swaggert does!

JimO

Hey JimBo!

Great to hear your rasping tones again. Though I confess publicly and privately to being less than Catholic, I still love civility and order. Something we can all observe when looking outward from our self centred view of our proud existential reasoning.

I like to see a good debate. I do think the TRUE church debate is BS though.

When you really get into your belief structure there is only one answer, .. that is a personal acceptance of a higher being. That's where I come from. As we all do!

I think!

At least I think I do

Stann

lol - Observer! Hey - it's the truth! ;)

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Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and The Life - the 9/11 truth WILL come out, He will not let the LIE stand! The word is getting out by leaps and bounds - let's stand together and be ready - because "the glass is about to overflow"!! ;)
-Kathy

Jimo - bitter????? Naaaawwwwwwwww. <raises one eyebrow>


OK - first of all - Phil doesn't "bash" Catholics - he may get irritated with "obsessive" Catholics who don't give anyone else a chance to talk <no names mentioned> - as I do, and I'm sure many others do. When I said I agreed with him - I absolutely agree with his concept of the evil in the history of the Catholic Church -because it's truth Jim - has nothing to do with 'Catholic bashing'. See, you make the mistake of taking it personal. You are, sadly, misled and blinded to this evil, as are many other people in the Catholic Church.

Second - "I" don't do any interpretation myself. It ALL comes from The Holy Spirit. See, if you would have read my last post with just a touch of an open heart, you would have understood what I was trying to say. But apparently, you just want to be rediculous. So have a nice day! ;)

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Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and The Life - the 9/11 truth WILL come out, He will not let the LIE stand! The word is getting out by leaps and bounds - let's stand together and be ready - because "the glass is about to overflow"!! ;)
-Kathy

This is absurd. Since this is a forum where everyone's comments get posted in the order they were recieved how would someone "not give anyone else a chance to talk" except by being a moderator and banning everybody besides themselves? When have any of the Catholic moderators here banned anybody? I don't even think there are any catholic moderators here, are there? Hmmm I wonder why that is.....

Yeah right. Post an article about how the Catholic church is the same thing as the bloodthirsty Roman Empire (Caligula, Nero etc) and just expect all the visiting Catholics to sit down, shut up and not be offended.

Tell you what, why don't you just let me just go on about how evil your wacky brand of religion is.... But don't take anything I have to say personal!

Yeah we Catholics are so busy going to confession and worrying about our own shortcomings that we are effectively "blinded" to any of the evils that might exist in the church. On the other hand for the protestants it's completely the other way around. Like I said b4 they don't need the Sacrament of Confession because "once saved always saved" and since they don't have to look inward at all they can spend all their time pointing fingers at everybody and everything else in the world.

Like I said...
I think that about sums it up...

Oh, yes excuse me, you are, after all, the self proclaimed "Soldier of the Lord" and everything you have to say comes from the Holy Spirit, of course. What was I thinking?

Oh I think I understand what you are trying to say. Any religion besides Catholicism is just OK as long as you mention Jesus or The Lord or the Holy Spirit in the title of it or at least somewhere in the opening paragraphs. 23,000 different denominations can't be wrong, can they?

Well, you know how it is! Some times I feel like being ridiculous, sometimes I don't....

Yes U2 SOTL!

JimO

Jimo said:


Very easily - they hog all the space on the thread and people who would like to reply are stuck in between these hours of hogged up space. You'll see 5 mile long posts from one person - one small one from someone who wanted to respond - then another 5 hogged up replies all over again. Now when someone comes and wants to read thru a thread, do you really think they want to read thru the hours of hogged up space before they can see any responses?? Rarely. That is what I meant.


It's up to the person if they choose to take offense personally.

See, I know I am nothing and Jesus is everything. So doesn't matter to me what people think of "me" you can insult me and what you call "my wacky brand of religion" all you want - has nothing to do with "me" - it's all Jesus. ;)

(PS - I have nothing to do with "religion" - I walk with Jesus everyday of my life)

Exactly my point. ;)


lol - "protestants" can think however they want to - whoever "they" are - as for me - I confess my sins to Jesus Christ, as He commanded us in His Word, every day that I possibly can. See, once Jesus lifted that veil from my eyes, I realized there's no point in having this guy "telling you" you're forgiven, since 2000 years ago, Jesus Himself already told us that, and as soon as we repent and ask for forgiveness, "it is finished".


LOL - can you say "B I T T E R"?? lol - Anyhow - I don't "proclaim" myself anything. I just obey my Father's Word in saying that I will spread the Gospel and fight for My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I don't know if you even understand what "religion" means - but I think I have been pretty clear in stating that I am not in any "religion" - I am a follower of Jesus Christ. And I will "mention" The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit ever chance I can get, no mater what the circumstance! ;) I am never ashamed of my Lord and Savior - because the Bible says if we are ashamed of Jesus - He will be ashamed of us before The Father.


Anyhow - look Jimo - not wanting to make this into one of "those" argument threads - just letting you know where I stand and speaking the truth. If you choose to continue, that's up to you. ;)

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Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and The Life - the 9/11 truth WILL come out, He will not let the LIE stand! The word is getting out by leaps and bounds - let's stand together and be ready - because "the glass is about to overflow"!! ;)
-Kathy

Christianity is more that simply responding to whatever the voices going off in one's own head are saying.

This matter of the Hiearchy of the Catholic Church.

The purpose the Lord places a hiearchy within His Church is to give it shape, structure, substance so that His Mystical Body has both order and form. Without an appointed hierarchy, without a recognized hierachy, all you wind up is with chaos, mob-rule, and a leadership which assumes leadership on account of his/her/their ability to speak louder or longer than anyone else.

To be truly a Protestant of any of the 27,000+ denominations currently in our world, one must exhibit a staunch arrogance in conjuction with an unwillingness to humbly admit one is in error, wrong and incorrect.

With respect to harboring a spirit of arrogance, let us consider these slanderous charges and accusations against the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church from all those who believe that owning a bible grants them instantaneous holiness of mind, heart, soul and spirit.

The very bible in their hands, in their possessions, is the result of the authority and leadership the Lord granted to His appointed and annointed leaders of His Church. The Lord grants His Authority to the Church's Hierarchy to teach and preach. Surely, this is most reasonable from a Divine Point Of View, no? Do you think Christ Jesus intended to entrust the teaching and preaching of His Divine Revelation to just about anybody who comes along or that anybody with some sort of voices going off in their heads or experiencing some sort of hallucination he/she believes to be some new Divine Revelation? But of course not!

So who are these individuals present here with their bibles to despise a Hierarchail structure in His Church here on earth? Each and every one of them with their character attacks on the entire Church Hierarchy choose to forget that it was the same Church Hierarchy who, as a preaching and teaching body within Christ's Mystical Body here on earth, defined and declared with books/writings were to be included in the bible!

Consider the arrogance of these bible weilding individuals on another point. Each and every last one of them implies that God the Holy Spirit abandoned the Church and that they, as owners/possessors of a bible, have to come along now in order to do the Work that God the Holy Spirit couldn't handle on His Own after so many centuries! Now that is human arrogance running amock and within its own finite human intellect's insanity, no?

And to be a Protestant entails never ever having to say "I'm sorry" or "I am wrong." or "I was wrong." Protestants implicitly take onto themselves both the spiritual qualities of infallibility and impeccability.

Has anyone on these forums or in real life ever seen a Protestant approach a Catholic and sincerely apologized and asked for forgiveness for any and all slanderous accusations, such as these charges levied against the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church by one Mr. Jayhan? Will we ever see any Protestant denomination ask for forgiveness from the Catholic Church as a Body for taking its own Canon of Sacred Christian Scripture and willfully choosing to start their own man made religion.

Will there ever be any Protestant denomination to ask for forgiveness from the Lord Himself for having so thoroughly butchered His Gospel these past centuries and for willfully rejecting Christ Jesus' very own Divine Revelation? No, no such thing will happen. And the reason for that is on account of the fact that in order to be a proper Protestant, one must be arrogant, one must elevate one's own opinions and assertions above that of God Incarnate Himself - making mere human will superior to the Divine Will - one must adopt a personal attitdue of both infallibility and impeccability, and that God the Holy Spirit wasn't doing His Duty down through the centuries since the time of Pentecost.

Protestants can never be honest and sincere enough to themselves and to the fellow members of whatever denomination they might hail from. For if the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church was not truly entrusted with the Divine Task of teaching and preaching to all the peoples of the world as the Lord clearly charges them with in the closing chapter of the Gospel of St. Matthew, then each and every last Protestant denomination the world over simply needs to discard their bibles and perhaps pick up some other religion's holy books and truly start a new, entire pure and pristine human man made religion.

Imagine that, a woman with her bible asserting that God the Holy Spirit is informing her that all the Christians, all the Saints, all the Holy Men, all the Hermits, all the Monks, all the Nuns, Sisters, Brothers, Deacons, Priests, Bishops who dedicated their entire lives to the service of Jesus Christ in His Church for the past 20 centuries were all duped, deceived, misled, mistaught - in short, they wound up wasting their entire lives and lifetimes living life as a Catholic Christian - and she knows this because none of those who lived the past 20 centuries weren't as spiritually atuned as she is since she reads the bible and hears silent voices speaking to her in her head and to her heart!

St. Vincent Ferrer raised people back to life from the dead. And Catholic Priests who offer the Sacrifice of the Mass witness the bread and wine on the Altar turning into actual Body and Blood of Jesus Christ Himself - and these women with their bibles in their hands and silent voices in their heads and hearts call the Divine Liturgy of God Himself a satanic ritual!

We are all either saved Christ Jesus' Way, or we choose to save ourselves our own way. How is it that so many people nowadays allow themselves to play foot loose and fancy free with their own immortal souls by conjuring up and starting their own personal religion is beyond me. Surely, its human folly to actually believe that any mortal human being is capable of out doing and improving on Christ Himself and His Holy Spirit!

- Lazarus

[quote]"Do you hear what I hear!"
"Do you hear what I hear!"
lol

"I CAN TALK LOUDER AND LONGER THAN ANYBODY!!!" hehehehe

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Ok - lol - Ok - lol - you talk about arrogance - not that I even want to get into this with you, but "just" the fact that Catholics call any non-Catholic - a "Protestant" - just because - of course - the root word "protest" - and of course ANYONE who doesn't choose to be Catholic MUST be protesting right?? Shoot - that's what I always used to think as a Catholic! (I was super heavy duty, no playin games, magisterium Roman Catholic for 31 years - by the way - so I know exactly where you're coming from - yet STILL - I choose to keep that veil off my eyes that Jesus lifted and live in freedom. ;) )


But do you realize how "arrogant" and "prideful" it is to think everyone in the world who isn't Catholic is protesting??


Acts 2:17 - In case your priest hasn't read this to ou yet. ;)

"'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.



Big deal - Catholics helped to put the final Bible togther as it is today - that doesn't mean they "own" it - did they "write" it? Did THEY inspire it?? Call me crazy - thought all that stuff was done by God Himself through His chosen few. ;)

Oh yeah - I'm never wrong! I'm PERFECT! Haaaahahahahaha!

It's the truth - it's history - check the books. You will see it all on paper for yourself. No apologies needed.


Yep! ;) Amen!


Yep! ;) Amen!

Amen - and I pray that you find the freedom that your spirit has been searching for.

It's called "FREEDOM" - and a "personal realtionship with Jesus Christ". ;)

Yeah - no doubt! Amen to that! Do you think you could forward this little quote to the Vatican, and maybe that might help them. ;)

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Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH, and The Life - the 9/11 truth WILL come out, He will not let the LIE stand! The word is getting out by leaps and bounds - let's stand together and be ready - because "the glass is about to overflow"!! ;)
-Kathy

1. God does not place any heirachy in any Church. churches are a man made thing and the heirachy is also man made. we are all brothers and sisters equal.
ROTFL@ "Without an appointed hierarchy, without a recognized hierachy, all you wind up is with chaos" lool! You mean like we have right now? lol do you like the perfect peace, harmony and serenity we live in today thanks to the heirachy in the church? sex rings and death are all a result of this lovely heirachy. *if I've misinterpreted the point here np.

2. "we choose our own way"? our own way? our own way IS the way of the light. all paths are the path of the one same loving God and logos. drawing distinctions like this helps chaos imo. (not implying criticism)

So on one hand here is a woman with her bible denouncing the members making up the hierarchy of the Catholic Church who made her possession of a bible possible, and on the other - a man I presume 'Observer' - asserting that God has not placed any hierarchy whatsoever in His Church
who likewise denounces the hierarachy of the Catholic Church. Hence, there is no need for a bible to begin with at all from his point of view. Yet both these people are kindred spirits in denouncing the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Surely, this is a most twisted sort of pairing. Two mutually antagnostic individuals with respect to the bible and Christ's Divine Revelation who are at peace with one another and yet are vehemently aligned against an ecclesiastical hierarchy within the Christian Church!

The woman with her bible comes out to call the Divine Liturgy satanic, and she gets others with their bibles to publicly agree with her! And the man who couldn't care less about the bible and where it came from and who decided which writings were to be included in the Church's Canon of Sacred Christian Scripture disagrees with her and her followers. Amazing!

Mr. jimostr indicated in a previous posting that it is an apparent waste of time presenting links to reference other documents, materials, references or even the bible itself in order to establish a point or to refute any and all crass, insipid, banal, childish, immature, ignorant and uneducated arguments individuals make regarding the Church as none of the enemies of the Church have any real courage in reading them.

But for the sake of those other individuals who might be adversely affected by the arrogance and haughtiness of the free wheeling self asserting enemies of His Church, certain links must be presented here at this time.

With respect to the woman with her bible asserting the Church's Divine Liturgy is satanic, here are the words of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom from the Syriac Orthodox Church. Would the woman with her bible make the effort to quote which words and prayers she finds satanic?
http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/Anaphora/Chrysostom.html

From the Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Rite of the Catholic Church, the words and prayers of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom again:
http://esoptron.umd.edu/ugc/liturgy1.html
Again, would the woman with her bible please quote which words or prayers she considers satanic?

When our Beloved Lord ascended by His Own Power back into the Divine Presence of His Eternal Father in Heaven, He commissioned a group of men to preach and teach to all the peoples of the world in order to make them His Own disciples. A disciple places himself or herself under discipline to his or her Teacher, Master and Lord. A disciple does not tell his or her Teacher what it is that He taught or is supposed to teach.

Christ Jesus Himself, by the power of His Own Divine Omniscience, recognizes who are those who still bear His Apostles' apostolic teaching and preaching authority. Despite the nearly millenium old schism within His Own Church which has resulted in the Catholic-Orthodox split nearly 1,000 years ago, both the Catholic and Orthodox Church have retained their valid Apostolic succession.

Now if Christ Jesus, our Master, Teacher, Saviour, Judge and Lord performs a yearly Supernatural Miracle at His own earthly tomb in Jerusalem in recognition of the prayers of the Patriarch of Jerusalem, it is Christ Jesus Himself Who is recognizing those with hierarchial standing within His Apostolic Church. That yearly Supernatural Miracle for one and all to witness for themselves is the Miracle of the Holy Fire. Read all about it here: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/holyfire.aspx

When the woman with her bible and her quick and flippant comments regarding the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can explain why Christ Jesus is wrong for listening to and responding to the yearly Easter prayers of the Patriarch of Jerusalem,
then perhaps people ought to take her exposition on and teachings about the Lord's Own Christian Church seriously. When that Miracle of the Holy Fire stops on account of her advising/teaching the Lord, then we will know she is right.

And finally, yes! There is real and true meaningful hope for all those with their bibles and who also denounce the hiearchy of the Church yet who call themselves Evangelical Christians as witnessed to by this indivdual:
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....ab-catholicism

One ought to be very careful who one attacks and who one aligns and allies himself or herself with.
http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2...sco-hates.html

"What I suggest, therefore, is that you leave these men alone and let them go. If this enterprise, this movement of theirs, is of human origin it will break up of its own accord; but if it does in fact come from God you will not only be unable to destroy them, but you might find yourselves fighting against God." - Gamaliel - Acts of the Apostles - Acts 5:38-39

There is a huge difference between biblical translation(s) and biblical interpretation.

- Lazarus