Let me say what so many of those murdered by this great whore cannot any longer say because they were tortured, murdered and dismembered by the Roman Catholic Church; Fuck the Roman Catholic Church! And fuck Roman Catholics!

Got an answer to that Martin?

Ya, would have been better off and falling on the sword. Too late for that now! Now you have to defend the indefensible!!

Do you believe in Jesus Christ, just out of curiousity? I want to know if I am even talking to a Christian or just some stupid Roman Catholic Protestant hating Idolater!

So which are you?

Cheers-
Phil

P.S. Do you think that the Iron Maiden was best for converting protestants? or do you think the huge triangle up your bloody bleeding asshole is better? So which do you think worked better martin? the Iron Maiden or the Huge triangle up your bloody bleeding ass? Am curious! Oh, for the love of God, why didn't everyone in the entire world cave into this Roman Catholic love syndrome? I mean, what could anyone have against Christians, or those posing as such, sending up a huge wooden triangle into your asshole to rip it apart and torture you to make you believe in something you would never believe in unless you had a huge wooden triangle shoved up your ass!!?? Ok, I love god already, can you now take that over-sized huge bloody wooden triangle from up my ass? NO!!! SAY JESUS IS LORD OR YOU GET THE HUGE OVER-SIZED TREE-SAW UP YOUR ASS AND RIP APART YOUR BALLS BLESSING!!! WTF?

For God so loved the world, that he didn't send a Roman Catholic to convert it.....And all that that implies!! Gosh your a sick individual to support this wickedness!!! Do you know that the forefathers of your faith thought that taking a tree saw up a persons asshole, a protestant persons asshole, would make him believe in your sick sadistic version of God? Ya, we see sick fucks who do this shit in movies like Friday the 13th and enjoy it like your "Holy Fathers" once did. Just remember something here Martin. Whatever it is you think the protestants were "responsible for" was nothing but a brutal bloody payback for so many abuses before it. You have no idea how wicked your so called "church" is. It deserves nothing better than to burn in an eternal inferno. Get the idea? Come on, bring it on! Lets see you catalogue this chain of protestant abuses. I WANNA SEE IT!! BRING IT ON!!

And please don't bother to complain that I speak in vulgarity. Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to speak of your church, in any other manner, because of its perfectly corrupt and murderous past. How dare you DEFEND these atrocities!

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And after your done answering that post, please answer me this as well; when, oh when, were the protestants ever in power to do such things to roman catholics? And after naming such a time when the protestants had the power to do such wicked acts, did they do so?

Please. I await your troubled answer, and I await your answer because it will be a long time in coming...As there is no such period in time. It, curiously, has always been the other way around!! which brings me to another troubling question. Why have roman catholics, all through time, exterminated protestants? I want an answer.

BTW, I would like to see a youtube, of a Pope with a tree saw ripping apart his asshole and balls, with a protestant minister telling him everything will be ok with him now and in the afterlife if he just asks Jesus
into his heart. I wanna see it!! Cause it NEVER happened!!

Wanna defend the indefensible Martin? Bring it on man!!

Cheers-
Phil

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"In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

Colossians 3:13 "Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

Of course I believe in Christ. And I do my best with the grace of God to live accordingly.

Do you really believe that it was the Catholic Church that came up with these contraptions and devices of torture? In any event, there is no justification for their use ... by the governments or members of the Church. In the example of the "Iron Maiden" ... actually it was a 18th century post-Reformation German torture device.

In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy. She forbade clerics to shed blood. In recent times it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors.

Nowhere can you find where i justified or defended the use of torture.

You really are ignorant of history then? Simply read some parts of the history of Europe. From the persecution of Catholics in England, Ireland, to the executions of so-called heretics and witches. Who do you think handled the "Witchcraft trials" in Salem, Massachusetts? It wasn't Catholics.

But for some Catholic martyrs ... I'll throw out a few names as examples (you can easily verify these by Googling):

John Fisher (tortured, hanged, drawn, and quartered) .... Thomas More (beheaded) .... Edmund Campion (tortured, hanged, drawn, and quartered) .... Margaret Clitherow (slowly crushed to death by the weight of rocks)

Or read about Oliver Cromwell's conquest, massacre, and religious persecution of Catholics in Ireland.

Or for a non-Catholic example, Google this one: "Michael Servetus".

Here's a webpage which details just some of these ... quoting prominent historians and theologians, both secular and Protestant.
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/...formation.html

An excerpt:

• The Protestant theologian Meyfart . . . described the tortures which he had personally witnessed . . . 'The subtle Spaniard and the wily Italian have a horror of these bestialities and brutalities, and at Rome it is not customary to subject a murderer . . . an incestuous person, or an adulterer to torture for the space of more than an hour'; but in Germany . . . torture is kept up for a whole day, for a day and a night, for two days . . . even also for four days . . . after which it begins again . . . 'There are stories extant so horrible and revolting that no true man can hear of them without a shudder.'(Janssen, XVI, 516-518, 521)

He gives also another typical instance of the treatment of Anabaptists:

• At Augsburg, in the first half of the year 1528, about 170 Anabaptists of both sexes were either imprisoned or expelled by order of the new-religionist Town Council. Some were . . . burnt through the cheeks with hot irons; many were beheaded; some had their tongues cut out.(Janssen, V, 160)

Here's a link I left in a earlier post from a few minutes ago:The Protestant Inquisition: "Reformation" Intolerance and Persecution

Seriously .... Do you actually believe some of the distortions and lies about the Jesuits?

The Jesuits are a religious order, not a military one.The Jesuits were the chief defenders of the papacy and were very successful in combating the Protestant rebellion. The wars or violence between rival Catholic and Protestant princes were instigated for many reasons, and not just because of religious differences.

I'm not defending the Inquisition. The Spanish Inquisition was state ministry, not papal organization. However kings of Spain used Dominicans (catholic order) as judges etc. because clergy (especially mentioned monks) were generally far more educated than ordinary people.

Having said that, most serious historians put the number of those executed during the 300 year long Spanish Inquisiton at approx 3,000-5,000 people out of the 100,000-150,000 tried.

The stories of "millions upon millions" of souls executed are lies put out by anti-Catholics. Even the BBC admitted in a TV special that the Spanish Inquisition was vastly more fair and just (especially compared to Spanish government courts) than what we hear about from anti-Catholic propaganda. Compare that to the 60,000-150,000 documented witch burnings elsewhere in Europe over the same centuries.

Just Google "Spanish Inquisition" and read something like the Wikipedia article about it.

Martin,
Yes, because I know the Bible. Furthermore, I know Jesus. There is not a single practice of the Roman Catholic Church that does not go directly against the teachings of Jesus!

I was hoping you would bring that up. The Salem witchcraft trials were orchestrated by very evil men like Cotton Mathers (head of one of the most prestigious universities in the United States) to once and for all put an end to persecution of those who study the dark arts.
I've done considerable research on this, and may blog a lengthy article on the subject in the future, if only to demonstrate how this kind of mass mind control works. The Salem witch trials were far more involved than most people are aware of, and not a single one of the original perpetrators was ever punished for their role in it! Even the ONE person who was certainly a practicing witch was punished less than a kid getting busted with a joint today!
Anyway, do some real research, not the writings of Jesuit apologists.

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So the kid getting busted with a joint would get a greater sentence than the nineteen who were hanged or being crushed to death by stones?

Try Googling "Giles Corey" as an example.

And that was just here in America ... and doesn't take into account the thousands who died in Europe.

The point is .... It wasn't just Catholics who persecuted people.

Ask yourself, why would the young women, who by any standards, were clearly possessed, and who studied under a woman who clearly practiced witchcraft, not in the least, punished for their role?
The whole pageant was a psy-op. Witch hunting was never the popular sport in America that witchcraft apologists make it out to be.
The whole thing was a public display, meant to shame anyone who would dare to stand up to evil practices. And, nothing more.

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You are right. Witchcraft trials were never a widespread practice in American ... unlike what the situation was in Protestant Germany or England.

For the sins of Catholics ... We must recognize past horrors, then repent and resolve not to permit them in the future.

No argument there!!!

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