This is an academic study for me. Trying to better understand why it seemed so much of what goes on in the world these days keeps leading back to this dark arena, I went searching for a bit of their doctrine and was able to obtain a fair amount of it. I wasn't very impressed by it I must say. I did answer one question though. That being "Why is it that so many of the worlds richest and most powerful people seem to gravitate toward the occult?'. Well, I believe that if one develops a love of money and spends their entire life amassing an un-Godly fortune and takes their greatest pleasure in wielding power and control over other people than Heaven may not be a place you really want to go. The worship of Satan promises you to be able to keep that and teaches one how to alleviate one self of things like guilt and sin. These two things don't exist in there world nor does compassion for that matter. No wonder they can keep doing what they do with out even batting an eye.

Here is a video shot by the FBI of a raid on a Satanic Cult. I believe it was in the early 80s I'm not sure. It's pretty shocking. Viewer discretion is advised. You will need Real Player to view it.
http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.co...ts/current.ram

I compressed all of the literature I was able to find into one zip file and uploaded it to zshare. If you are interested in studying this then these files will shed some light on the subject but for the spiritually timid out there this might not be for you. Like I said this is purely an academic for me and it helped me understand the mind set but may prove to be a little to much for some people so I urge caution. I am not joking. http://www.zshare.net/download/41024338d5d2a8/


Cheers
Jack

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By the definition of the word "occult", God is part of the occult world. So, I hesitate to equate occult with evil.

I don't know how you were able to see anything of value in this video as it was all shadows on my player. Yes, this is a fairly new computer, and new version of Real Player. As far as I could see, we were looking at bacteria under a microscope.

I need someone to explain what it is I'm to be seeing in this video. I really can't make anything out, but rust colored shadows.


Thanks for sharing this, and I wish I could discuss it with you.

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I guess your right Star---Occultic does mean, by definition, God Almighty as well as other agencies of supernatural powers.

And thats something I was not aware of; And I couldn't watch the video because I guess I don't have a current real player. Will have to work on that and try again later. I can't wait to see those shadows. Who knows, maybe it is God hiding amongst us....

cheers-
phil

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"In disquisitions of every kind there are certain primary truths, or first principles, upon which all subsequent reasoning must depend." --Alexander Hamilton

Yes, and humanity, as a rule, fears what it doesn't at first understand, and much of what it can't empirically experience. We tend to label "bad/evil" that which we fear.

I don't know if God would appear quite so dark and rusty LMAO Unfortunately, the best and possibly most dangerous way to learn about this kind of thing is to go into the trenches of the "dark". It's eyeopening, disgusting, and at times makes the strong at heart, weak in the knees. I was blessed ... or cursed with the opportunity to take a peek as part of some charitable work I was involved with. I met a young woman that was a victim of a local group in that city. From this meeting, I was led to a bit of an education that I wasn't sure I'd really asked for. This group held their rites in an area beneath the streets/railroad tracks down by the river. They would gain entrance through manhole covers. It was quite a setup. I don't know if this still continues down at that site, as I stepped out of the "know" about 8 years ago now. I will say a lot of ritualistic violence took place in which the woman mentioned above was the guest of honor

I understand Jack's draw to the dark side of the force but I would recommend not being drawn too close to this. Contrary to what some people believe, some of this stuff really works. Some of it is self-fulfilling prophecy at work. Either way, this stuff is equally "creative" as what we believe "light/good" to be.

Edited: I forgot to turn on the green here!

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I know the video is diff-occult to make out (haha) but the dialog is mostly what is important and besides who really wants to look closely at that grisly shit any ways. I do realize that the word occult simply means " That which is not known." but it's largest component is of the dark variety and it is "knowable" as Donald Dumbsfeld would say, or was that "not knowable"? Oh well who really cares what that lier had to say any ways. He was a Satanist for certain. But any ways back to what I was saying. I think I made my self poignantly clear in my posting that this is/was a purely academic study for me and yes I'm aware that if one goes opening up boxes haphazardly they might not like what they get them selfs in to. As you said some of this stuff does work. The Ouija board is the fastest method of confirming that but it is not a toy and it should not be messed with.

I don't make it a habit of telling people this, but I'll make an exception here, being that it is October and all, not. I was exposed to some things first hand when I was a child. The house I grew up in was haunted. I say that in all seriousness and with a straight face. When you have the blankets ripped from off your bed and thrown down the hall way while you are under them, it's the kind of thing you don't soon forget. It leaves a lasting impression on you but there is one thing positive in that I have not one bit of doubt as to the existence of God. None. I had many experiences as a child and as a teenager and even one as a young adult. I'm not speaking of some vague experiences that can be explained away ether. They were real and you can laugh if you want to, it makes no difference to me whether any one believes me or not.

I guess my point with all of this to began with was simply to make sense of why it was that every trail kept leading back to the elites and there involvement in dark and nefarious practices. So if some one would volunteer to open up the door to the dark side, I'll toss in a couple hand grenades and maybe we will get lucky and take out the whole lot of them.

We couldn't be so lucky.

Cheers
Jack

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I disagree with your statement that the majority of the occult is evil or of the dark variety. Some positive spiritual tools become lost in the generalization. I agree that the people majorly responsible for the atrocities throughout history do indeed work for that side, the opposing team. I say here, that is one way of defining which side of the line a person walks ... through their behavior, and manner of speaking. What one believes shows up in what they say and do.

However, they do NOT carry full responsibility. We have sat back and rested on our laurels. How fucked up is that? Let's take responsibility where responsibility is due. You will never get me to believe that this couldn't have been stopped dead in its tracks. We didn't trust that God created all of us of equal value and power. We stood polarized in fear and mistrust of the strength that was God given. Now, when things have gotten so out of hand, and the DAY is drawing near we say "Those dirty bastards! Look what they've done to us! Prophecy was right!" I say to you, prophecy is to show us the path we are on. Free will, the power of choice; God given power of free will/choice could have created another DAY that is drawing near. We chose to allow prophecy to come upon us. And so it is! Unless, it is not!

As for opening up that door of darkness, no one is stopping you.

I sympathize with your being haunted, and scared as a child. It's incomprehensible to me that the "opposing team" needs to stalk the vulnerable to gain team members so to speak. God's side doesn't need to frighten the shit out of children to get people to see what happiness and power there is in loving one another, and honoring the Golden Rule.

Grenading those who choose to work within the arena of darkness seems to be under the guise of "fighting fire with fire". I'm a big believer in returning a favor. However, I'm only recommending that you walk on that side with a great deal of discernment and self-empowerment. There is a great deal of deceit, and promised power that can and IS tempting to many.

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ME? Hard on Jack??? :::: thud :::: :::: picking myself up off the floor ::::

I'm a reasonable person expressing reasonable concerns, and cautions to someone who is playing with fire. If I were being hard on Jack, I wouldn't express a care in the world.

No one can really say that there are elements of the dark arts that aren't appealing, tempting, and desirable; anymore than they can say it's not deceitful, violent, and nasty. The appealing, tempting, desirable goes alongside the deceitful implications of powerful-ness that draws one in. I have seen smarter people than me taken in by this.

I can't say there is one person on this forum, including that I would care to see hurt. I will not hesitate to voice my concerns for their wellbeing when I feel there is reason to be concerned.

And I did agree somewhat on the grenades ... I said "I believe in returning a favor with a favor" I totally understand his anger, and hurt over what has happened in our country, and around the globe.

'Nuff said! I just don't want our Jack hurt! I don't want anyone on this forum hurt. It's who I am darn it! ... but you already know that Phil

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Star said,

"I can't say there is one person on this forum, including that I would care to see hurt. I will not hesitate to voice my concerns for their wellbeing when I feel there is reason to be concerned.

'Nuff said! I just don't want our Jack hurt! I don't want anyone on this forum hurt. It's who I am darn it! ... "

How neat! I appreciate your feeling that way. Same goes for me regarding the members here.

Thank you!

I appreciate knowing you're of the same mind as I am in this. It would be horrible if something happened ... ugh. I don't want to even imagine it.

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To tired tonight to respond will see to it tomorrow.
Cheers
Jack

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