OK now let us get one thing straight here so there is no confusion about this. I am not opening any doors or walking any paths of darkness or doing any thing that could possibly get me hurt I promise you all that. I do appreciate the concern for my safety though it is quite flatering. I thought I had made it clear that this was an academic study and was one that I had concluded. My whole purpose was to make sense of the fact that so many times I set out to research some aspect of this mess and all the avenues kept leading back to this dark "Occult" area. So I apologize if my knowledge of the occult is not of a broader scope as to see the good side of it. I more than likely know of it but just don't recognize it as being occult thats all. The answers that I went looking for, I was able to find and they had nothing to do with any thing good, thats for certain. As for the handgranading thing I think Phil got my point.

The experiences I had as a child I mentioned because they gave me a concrete platform to establish my belief system upon. I have no doubt what so ever that an existence beyond what most of us see and recognize here in our three dimensional world does absolutely exists. I have seen both sides of it. It would appear that duality is the way it is on "the other side" as it is here. The skeptics, nay sayers and phycologists are welcome to say what they will, and, they will be wrong. It isn't something I am willing to debate with them though. It is what it is. It will answer it's self in time, that I guarantee.

Till Then Cheers
Jack

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Nice post Jack! I really do understand what you're saying here. I've experienced the "other" side of things, and not all of it is demonic as some people fear. Some people don't believe that God continues to "speak" to us. I believe it is the fear that creates the impression that what they experienced was "dark". Not understanding what it was that was experienced creates fear, which creates the impression of a "dark" phenomenon as well. Of course, we know that there is also a great deal of demon shit there as well.

Now, not directing this at you, but using this post as an opportunity to say that when someone wants to actively open the door, and/or challenge the "dark" side, so to speak, that certain someone needs to be VERY strong in their own belief system ... and be able to stand strong in it. They need to be very aware that "evil/darkness" cannot be eradicated ...

As far as the hand grenade comments. I was in complete agreement there. After all our buds have done to us, with 9/11 being the most unbelievable ... again, I say "I believe in returning the favor" A hand grenade is the least of their karmic debt. If that is all that is brought to them for their deeds in this lifetime, they should be considered the most blessed of souls in the Universe. Unfortunately for them, I don't believe God has blessed their souls quite THAT much!

Again, good post, and congratulations on your new moderator position!

Edited to add: I am glad you took my earlier comments in the light they were meant to be taken. In no way was I meaning to be hurtful to you! Thank you for seeing this!

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See, I told you he didn't open any doors for evil and darkness to enter in! Told you, told you, told you! Na na na na na na. Anyone knows that Jack A Lopes don't do witchcraft. Just check Wikipedia. Na na na na na na. <Sticks phingers in ears and flubbers my tongue at Star making gross and very unadult flubbering noises>

cheers-
phil

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ROFLMAO Jack A Lopes don't do witchcraft; and FLUBBERS, FLUBBERING????????????? I LOVE that word! It's almost up there with ferkin' and lurg! (Thanks Stann!) You NUT! Always keeping us on our toes

( You big lug! No, I wasn't accusing him of doing witchcraft. My concern for anyone opening the door is that once one starts to poke around, again, even just to do research is that they need to be very strong in their own beliefs, whatever that might be.)

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like the mafia they are born into it (the majority)...

Here Star, what do you think of this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...95115331&hl=en

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There's a lot here. What parts did you want comment on?

In general, and I've only had time to watch 1/2, the other 1/2 comes later tonight, much of this I looked at back in late 80's - early 90's. It falls in line with what I've already been exposed regarding the Bible, Messiah stories etc.

So far, there is nothing here that is new. I'm not sure what else to say. Not much here that I disagree with in a big way. We'll see what the other 1/2 has to bring.

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What percentage would you say on this? I'm not being a smartass or asking for sources. I'm asking your opinion here. I felt the two groups were moving closer together in numbers, with the manipulation of the right of religious freedom.

There has been a great increase in the use of the dark arts in the past 50 years or so. Are you saying this is due to generational practitioners raising their children in this belief system; a "children live as they learn" concept? In my limited sphere I've come across a great deal of newbies/recruits that entered due to the false assumption of empowerment through the assumed power over other people ... through the use of these wonderful "powers". (I guess it's all about powerful-ness.)

Our current administration is certainly encouraging the practices. I mean look at this little man, and his buddy, who are about as self-empowered as my desk chair, using our military and financial resources to give themselves the illusion that they are powerfilled men because they have a buck in their pocket more than the other disempowered people they work with. Even though they are using the power of the White House, rather than standard sorcery the outcome is the same.

Of course, as I said above, this is just my opinion, and my 3.3 cents' worth before taxes.

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Mostly the first half. The second half is well done but nothing new. Just wanted your opinion (all 3.3 cents worth) on the religious part of it more than any thing.


Cheers
Jack

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Star,
in your post, you spelled out the reality of what the"occult" is really all about, and it clearly backs up what observer is saying. These people are raised believing they are smarter, wiser, and more POWERFUL, than the common man or woman, who they really do consider to be useless eaters!

It should not even be a question; are the rich different from the rest of us. It should be obvious THEY at least believe so.

It's not their practices as much as their mindset that is generational.

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