Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims

**The Surgeon** · 24 Aug 2010 , 01:42 AM

Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims

The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) is often used by 9/11 researchers.

If a 9/11 victim is NOT in the SSDI, it is not possible to obtain death payments from Social Security.

No listing in SSDI = no money for spouse and children

Article with good overview of social security payments. Note the possibility for fraud.

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Social Security's Response to 9-11 Attacks

More than $3 million a month being paid to victims' families

By Robert Longley, About.com Guide

The Social Security Administration (SSA) reports having paid nearly $67 million in benefits to people affected by the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

As a result of September 11th, Social Security received 5,629 individual benefit claims from 2,281 families. Most of the assistance went to family members of those killed in the terrorist attacks. However, Social Security also helped workers get disability and retirement benefits.

Survivors Benefits: Family members of deceased workers may be eligible for Social Security survivors benefits. To family members of deceased 9-11 attacks victims, Social Security is currently paying monthly benefits to 2,375 surviving children and 853 surviving spouses. In addition to monthly benefits, one-time payments were made to 1,800 members of victims’ families.

Disability Benefits: When a worker is unable to work due to a disability that lasts or may be expected to last at least one year or to result in death, the disabled worker and certain family members may be eligible for Social Security disability benefits. Social Security is currently paying monthly benefits to 498 individuals disabled by the terrorist attacks of September 11th and 81 of their dependent spouses or children.
Nearly $67 million in benefits have been paid to people affected by the September 11, 2001 attacks.

The first payments to surviving family members (benefits for the month of September) were paid on October 3, 2001.

As of August 2003, Social Security is paying more than $3 million per month.Social Security responded to the September 11th terrorist attacks by activating special emergency procedures to give the fastest possible service to the families of the victims of the tragedies at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania.

These procedures allowed for acceptance of documents as proof of death that, under other circumstances, would not have been accepted. Airplane manifests, lists of employees furnished by employers and other statements that placed the worker at the scene of the attacks were accepted.

Social Security employees helped families at special assistance centers that were established in New York, Arlington, VA, and Shanksville, PA.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/waronterror/a/ss911.htm

Compensation for Losses from the 9/11 Attacks - Study by Rand Corp.

Excellent reference book. Download for free at following link.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG264/

9/11 LINKS INDEX - Victim Fraud, Media Fraud

Radio Shows - Jim Fetzer & The Real Deal:

Exif/I

PTC Metadata:

EXIF Data Similarities - VERY REVEALING INFORMATION

Video: Fraudulence on 9/11

Death Certificate #0001:

The Strange Story of Father Mychal Judge: Death Certificate # 0001 on 9/11

Social Security Death Payments & Other SSDI Related Evidence

Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims

The Hollow Towers & Pre-Demolition of WTC:

Fireman Actors on 9/11:

Fireman Joe Casaliggi: Professional Actor - Also on 9/11?

Stand In Actors on 9/11:

9/11 Stand In Actors.

Flight 11 Frauds:

Flight 175 Frauds:

Flight 77 Frauds:

Flight 93 Frauds:

The 911 Jumper Frauds:

North Tower Frauds:

Pentagon Fraudulent Victims on 9/11:

Media Complicity and Fraud:

Media 9/11 Memorial Frauds:

The 9/11 Memorial Wall:

The 9/11 Victims Memorial Wall in New York City - Was it a Ruse?

9/11 & WTC Corporate Fraud:

Pending Research Requests from Lets Roll Members:

MISC: Great Research Links on this Material above:

Former Stickies for the Hussled Masses:

Pictures of Extra Equipment on Look-A-Like Flight 175 (109,720 Views)
911 For Dummies Thread. Video, Picture Archive of 911 (7,513,922 Views)
Targeting Laser Light Spot at the World Trade Center! (121,515 Views)
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~~Gina~~ · 28 Feb 2011 , 14:23 PM

Well, I have been searching victims names from other tragedies in the Social Security Index, just out of curiosity.

I have good news and I have bad news. The good news I have not found any of the names listed as persons who died on April 19, 1995 in Oklahoma, although Timothy McVeigh is on the list as dying in New York sometime after that. Also, as I've posted elsewhere on this forum only one of the six adults killed in the WTC bombing of 1993 could be found.
That's the good news because chances are lives weren't lost like we were told. I'd rather find out I was duped by the media than to find out people really died, wouldn't you?

The bad news is in checking the TWA Flight 800 victims names, most of those are in the Social Security Death Index and listed as dying on July 17 or 18, 1996. That made my heart sink a little.

Note: I have found a few names from the Oklahoma bombing but it seems odd that I have found just as many are not listed in the SSDI.

**steph** · 10 Apr 2011 , 13:14 PM

My uncle absolutely, positively is dead AND his survivors received social security benefits. He is NOT listed in the SSDI database. I am not convinced that it is the most reliable source.

My grandmother, who received SS benefits and is also positively dead, also is not listed in the database.

Phil Jayhan · 10 Apr 2011 , 13:23 PM

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Originally Posted by steph

My uncle absolutely, positively is dead AND his survivors received social security benefits. He is NOT listed in the SSDI database. I am not convinced that it is the most reliable source.

My grandmother, who received SS benefits and is also positively dead, also is not listed in the database.

Regardless of whether one thinks it is the most reliable system or database isn't really the question is it? The SSDI boasts an 85% accuracy rating., Which means that 85% of the time it is spot on.

This means statistically, for every 100 people who died on 9/11, that we should see 85 of those 100 people listed in the SSDI.

But the numbers on 911 would be more then the 85% accuracy rating boasted by SSDI. Why? Because Social Security dispatched liasons to New York City and the other disaster sites to expedite the SSDI and make sure everything "went smoothly."

Statistically speaking we see the reverse. Roughly 15% of the people who died on 9/11 or less are listed in the SSDI.

There is a simple solution and answer to this. And that is that the people were mock victims in a huge hoax, and that they never died as we were told on 9/11. Just as was called for in Operation Norethwoods. Mock victims, mock funerals with a sniper tearing up the countryside by sniping Americans on the streets. (John Malvo)

Also, welcome to the forums Steph!

Cheers-
Phil

**steph** · 10 Apr 2011 , 14:26 PM

I typed in more people that I know are dead, and out of 10, I got three.

I *used* to think it was pretty accurate, but now I am not so sure. I think to test this, I will pull up obits from a newspaper ten months ago and see how many are there.

Also, I don't think guys who loved their wives and families (Jeremy Glick and Todd Beamer both had pregnant wives) wouldn't have at least tried to contact them on the sly if they were still alive. Disposable cell phones are readily available and no one can be watched 24/7.

Sadly, I don't believe they are alive.

**Bigtexan** · 10 Apr 2011 , 14:39 PM

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Originally Posted by steph

Also, I don't think guys who loved their wives and families (Jeremy Glick and Todd Beamer both had pregnant wives) wouldn't have at least tried to contact them on the sly if they were still alive. Disposable cell phones are readily available and no one can be watched 24/7.

Sadly, I don't believe they are alive.

Fictitious people are not alive,,,or have you missed the whole concept of "vicsims" ??

**steph** · 10 Apr 2011 , 15:34 PM

It is pretty much proven that Todd Beamer was not fiction. His ACTIONS on Flight 93 were, but not him as a person. He boarded a plane in NJ that morning and he is no longer around. There are photos, proof he graduated from Wheaton, that he worked for Oracle, etc. His children also looked like him.

Same with Mark Bingham, Jeremy Glick and CeeCee Lyons. I have no doubt in my mind that they boarded a flight. I just have no idea what happened to them after that point, other than the plane didn't crash in PA.

**andy tyme** · 11 Apr 2011 , 00:00 AM

Hey Steph.

I sure (as in Pumpitout's Shure) hope you are not another one of Dr. Sunstein's little helpers, but you are starting out here by singing a rather cognitive-infiltrative type of tune.

So... come on and give us the actual names, death dates, burial locations, etc. of all these "dead" people you claim to be unable to find in the SSDI.

And let us not forget that the SSDI so far is rather weak on the "artificial intelligence" hints-and-auto-corrections (regarding incorrect and alternate spellings) that we have all been spoiled by -- in making Yahoo and Google search entries.

**steph** · 11 Apr 2011 , 18:39 PM

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Originally Posted by andy tyme

Hey Steph.

I sure (as in Pumpitout's Shure) hope you are not another one of Dr. Sunstein's little helpers, but you are starting out here by singing a rather cognitive-infiltrative type of tune.

So... come on and give us the actual names, death dates, burial locations, etc. of all these "dead" people you claim to be unable to find in the SSDI.

And let us not forget that the SSDI so far is rather weak on the "artificial intelligence" hints-and-auto-corrections (regarding incorrect and alternate spellings) that we have all been spoiled by -- in making Yahoo and Google search entries.

Hey, I am (for the most part) agreeing with you.

My uncle, Robert VonSien, was in the military when he was killed, AND his family (wife, kids) received SS benefits as survivors. He is NOT in the database. His name is unusual enough that there would be no mistake. However, his 8 year old daughter, Lisa, IS in the database. Perhaps because she was receiving benefits?

But, then my grandma, who WAS receiving benefits, Marguerite Hanson, is NOT in the database.

Other people I checked? My own daughter, (I don't wish to reveal her name, but she isn't in there) my friend Mark Andersen (who was on SSDI at the time of his death. He died in 2004 in Austin, MN-born in 1959) and Solomon Schlossberg, who died at the age of 96 in 2006 (so born in 1910)

Of course, if you are already thinking that I am just trying to prove you wrong (which I am not) you can say I made up those names as well. Sorry if I don't want to reveal ALL of the names, but those are a few. I am going to try it again with obituaries published more than six months ago in th Minneapolis Star and Trib. Do you want to pick the date? I was going to pick July 12, 2010 since it's my birthday (and I will remember it). I can use your birth date as well, if you would like.

ETA: Here is the list of people and dates of death I will be checking, along with dates of death. All were published in the MPLS Star & Trib on July 12, 2010. I haven't done it yet, so I will update each one as I check. Feel free to double check me, because I could be doing it wrong.

Justin Norman Aaberg, age 15, died July 9, 2010
James Joseph Bias, born 10/12/1933, died 07/10/10 Safe to assume he was receiving SS benefits.
Mertis Mae Boehm (nee Baillie) age 65, died 07/09/10 (may or may not be on SS)
Donald L Butts age 87 died 07/10/10
Josephine Hall Carney, no DOB but was married for 64 years AND her husband preceded her in 2000, died 07/07/10
Janice K. Chadwick (nee Stordahl) age 71 died 07/08/10
Harold H Dierson, age 81, died 07/07/10
Walter W Farber, age 87, no date of death, but the funeral was on 07/13. Last address in Annandale, MN
Darlene M Gregory, age 71 (she is at peace with Jesus and Elvis! I loved that!) no date of death, funeral 07/15, Minneapolis
Pauline M Gustafson, age 82, no date of death, Minneapolis or Gull Lake
Sharon Hill, 70, July 10
Sharon Wells Hotchkiss 12-12-1936, no date of death, no city, but maybe Bloomington or Minneapolis
N/aomi Wood Johnson, age 94, died 07-10-10
James M Jordan, died July 10, no date of birth or age, but he was probably in his 50s by the photo (?)
Beulah Ax LaClare 06-17-1911 to 07-10-10
Darlow Madge age 68 died 07/05/10
Sandra Nelson, 60, July 9
Clifford Niesen, age 84, 07-08-10
Helen May Fairfield Peterson, 88, Hastings MN or Minneapolis, MN
Wayne Pickett, 82, Blaine MN
Fanny Berryman Posey, 83, 07-11-10
Wallace W Quass, age 78, 07-10-10
Lois Raaen, 86, Fridley, MN
Helen N Sheets, 86, 07/09/10
George R Shimshock, 81, 07-10-10
Arnold Smith, 85, 07-10-10
Jonathan Joel Taylor, 43, 07-10-10
Joseph R Vogel, 76, 07-09-10
Odessa Viola Williams, 95, 07-05-10
Frank L Woolsey, Jr, 87, 07-10-10
Joan L Wuebker 79, 07-08-10
Patrick William Ziegler, 33, 07-10-10
Boris Zuckerman, 86, 07/10/10

**steph** · 11 Apr 2011 , 19:58 PM

Damn, I lost the post with the research.

28 Feb 2011 , 14:23 PM	#2
~~Gina~~ Join Date: 10 Feb 2011 Posts: 667 Threads: 118 Blog Entries: 9 Thanked 1,480 Times in 512 Posts	Re: Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims Well, I have been searching victims names from other tragedies in the Social Security Index, just out of curiosity. I have good news and I have bad news. The good news I have not found any of the names listed as persons who died on April 19, 1995 in Oklahoma, although Timothy McVeigh is on the list as dying in New York sometime after that. Also, as I've posted elsewhere on this forum only one of the six adults killed in the WTC bombing of 1993 could be found. That's the good news because chances are lives weren't lost like we were told. I'd rather find out I was duped by the media than to find out people really died, wouldn't you? The bad news is in checking the TWA Flight 800 victims names, most of those are in the Social Security Death Index and listed as dying on July 17 or 18, 1996. That made my heart sink a little. Note: I have found a few names from the Oklahoma bombing but it seems odd that I have found just as many are not listed in the SSDI. Last edited by Gina; 28 Feb 2011 at 15:34 PM. Reason: edited info

10 Apr 2011 , 13:14 PM	#3
steph Reader Join Date: 10 Apr 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 60 Threads: 1 Thanked 72 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims My uncle absolutely, positively is dead AND his survivors received social security benefits. He is NOT listed in the SSDI database. I am not convinced that it is the most reliable source. My grandmother, who received SS benefits and is also positively dead, also is not listed in the database.

10 Apr 2011 , 14:26 PM	#5
steph Reader Join Date: 10 Apr 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 60 Threads: 1 Thanked 72 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims I typed in more people that I know are dead, and out of 10, I got three. I used to think it was pretty accurate, but now I am not so sure. I think to test this, I will pull up obits from a newspaper ten months ago and see how many are there. Also, I don't think guys who loved their wives and families (Jeremy Glick and Todd Beamer both had pregnant wives) wouldn't have at least tried to contact them on the sly if they were still alive. Disposable cell phones are readily available and no one can be watched 24/7. Sadly, I don't believe they are alive.

10 Apr 2011 , 15:34 PM	#7
steph Reader Join Date: 10 Apr 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 60 Threads: 1 Thanked 72 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims It is pretty much proven that Todd Beamer was not fiction. His ACTIONS on Flight 93 were, but not him as a person. He boarded a plane in NJ that morning and he is no longer around. There are photos, proof he graduated from Wheaton, that he worked for Oracle, etc. His children also looked like him. Same with Mark Bingham, Jeremy Glick and CeeCee Lyons. I have no doubt in my mind that they boarded a flight. I just have no idea what happened to them after that point, other than the plane didn't crash in PA.

11 Apr 2011 , 00:00 AM	#8
andy tyme Reader Join Date: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 63 Threads: 0 Thanked 138 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims Hey Steph. I sure (as in Pumpitout's Shure) hope you are not another one of Dr. Sunstein's little helpers, but you are starting out here by singing a rather cognitive-infiltrative type of tune. So... come on and give us the actual names, death dates, burial locations, etc. of all these "dead" people you claim to be unable to find in the SSDI. And let us not forget that the SSDI so far is rather weak on the "artificial intelligence" hints-and-auto-corrections (regarding incorrect and alternate spellings) that we have all been spoiled by -- in making Yahoo and Google search entries.

11 Apr 2011 , 19:58 PM	#10
steph Reader Join Date: 10 Apr 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 60 Threads: 1 Thanked 72 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Social Security Death Payments for 9/11 Victims Damn, I lost the post with the research.