Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread...

Phil Jayhan · 26 Nov 2010 , 12:23 PM

I would like to ask all of you guys to find as many pictures of the world trade center which shows floor pans and/or anything to do with concrete. As you can see, finding a picture with one of the 4 cranes lifting a concrete pour bucket are hard, if not impossible to come by, even though tens of thousands of such buckets would have to be lifted by crane.

Equally impossible to find are any pictures which show the floor pans with any actual concrete in them. This thread is dedicated to finding these concrete pouring pictures and/or floor pans in any of the upper floors with concrete.

Can you guys find the concrete floors at the world trade center or pictures of a concrete pour bucket?? Will you take the "WTC Concrete challenge?"

Notice the concrete pour bucket at the new Freedom Tower WTC above: Not one of these pictures of a concrete pour bucket can be found from the old world trade center while being built. Not one! We actually can see 2 concrete pour buckets being lifted in one snapshot!

We must be looking in all the wrong places. There has to be a giant stash of them hidden away somewhere, with 220 acres of concrete pour between these two towering behemoths, nicknames David & Nelson.

So take the WTC concrete challenge! Find pictures of concrete floors being poured or cranes with concrete pour buckets being lifted.

Thanks for your cooperation!

The Management:

Cheers-
Phil

As far as I know these pictures below and one single video shot of a guy in a trolley with a bucket pouring a lower floor as well. There was some floors, some for use, and some for show and some for the "model office" type thing and photo-ops. Notice of all the pictures we ever see inside the WTC with furniture, that we never see a single person in the offices. With the exception of Edna Cintron.

YouTube - Building the World Trade Center and Twin Towers - 1 of 2

This 2nd youtube deals with all of the concrete and concrete pour shots with many shots of floor pans being raised. This is the better of the 2 for what we are looking for...Below;

YouTube - Building the World Trade Center and Twin Towers - 2 of 2

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**clive** · 26 Nov 2010 , 13:44 PM

The following photo's were taken supposedly on the 91st floor. Obviously it was either prior to or after the LMCC 'donated' this floor to various 'art students' to ply their wares.

There seems to be concrete but I do not know the thickness of it.

Also look at the 'storeroom' - does the side wall go all the way to the window and if so was it for extra shelving or an excuse to remove windows???

Regards Clive

Thanx to blandscape for these photos.

Iscribe2 · 26 Nov 2010 , 14:40 PM

good find Clive. I followed your directions. I clicked oon the title of the photo and was taken to the flicker site:

and there are MORE photos on that site

there are a lot of things wrong with this photo. There is a lot of questions regarding this photo.
Keep in mind this is purportedly the same floor as Gelatin B was in and George Sleigh worked on
The photographer claims this photo was taken in March, 2001--perhaps the guys here can exif data that.

the furniture seems new. There are even keys taped onto the two drawer beigh file cabinet (third cubicle down) One might think that a business could move the furniture from one place to another and save a lot of money rather than having to rebuy it

everything else has been trashed.
Papers everywhere,
plants knocked over,
the floor sunken in in the center of the aisle,
floorboards ripped up,
popcorns or some maybe silica stuff throw all over the desks and floor, boxes everywhere that appear to have enclosed brand new products
a little string that winds up from the left hand corner and on down through the center aisle that goes right through a light brown round thing
an old broom in an office life that was supposed to have been?
computer equipment that looks like a sledgehammer went at it--no computer equipment was left intact,
these guys should have lost their damage deposit

but it looks staged

Phil Jayhan · 26 Nov 2010 , 16:13 PM

This is what I am speaking of. No matter where along in the construction, we never see floor pans with concrete in them nor do we see any of the 4 cranes with concrete pour buckets as we do at the new WTC now being built; Watch the flash presentation here for the new WTC building, and notice the concrete pour bucket they are using;

Notice the concrete pour bucket at the new Freedom Tower WTC above: Not one of these pictures of a concrete pour bucket can be found from the old world trade center while being built. Not one!

This picture here below is for future reference; Notice how the total catastrophic failure ended at the Roman style beams, 6 floors above ground level?

World Trade Center Construction Footage Raw Video Aerial Shots

YouTube - World Trade Center Construction Footage Raw Video Aerial Shots

Admin edit: There are indeed some rare never before seen shots of construction in the above video, well worth the watch!

Phil Jayhan · 26 Nov 2010 , 18:31 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8534413@N03/

image hosted on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadcruiser1/

image hosted on flickr

View below to core under construction.

image hosted on flickr

"Column-free" interior view. Note the ties of floor joists to exterior columns that failed in a cascade as the walls buckled and the towers began to collapse.

image hosted on flickr

Interior deck and ironwork.

image hosted on flickr

2 WTC begins its ascent c. 1970

image hosted on flickr

image hosted on flickr

all photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/18528948@N00/

**Julia.M.Lazare** · 26 Nov 2010 , 20:46 PM

Perhaps
there is a way
to obtain records
of CEMENT companies, suppliers, etc
from 40 years ago?!?!?!?!?!?

Any New Yorkers out there?
Or New Jersey?

Just thinkin'.......................

**Bigtexan** · 27 Nov 2010 , 02:35 AM

I see in this picture ,,,, where the tiles have been removed (very bottom),,from a FINISHED floor,,,and the upper is a RAISED sub-floor system,,for which all walls,,and doors have to be special sized to accommodate the actual ceiling to floor height.
These raised floor office systems are used when there is a large amount of computer cabling,,,,,and are very expensive!
The raised floor system here consists of the risers,,floor trusses,,slot lock floor grids,,and carpet overlay squares.
(Note some ground strap anchors glued down to floor)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/3...c9fc79f6_b.jpg

It would be nice to know the floor number this was installed on.

**clive** · 27 Nov 2010 , 02:46 AM

According to the photo it was the 91st floor.

Regards Clive

Iscribe2 · 27 Nov 2010 , 02:58 AM

yup, 91st floor. maybe (according to someone viewing the pics w/me)

tile in between steel squares welded together or blasted together flat bar going in between the cement squares

a thought this person had:
the lower floors built w/ lot of solid cement flooring. the upper floors with not as much...perhaps not as much around the edges and the poured cement or squares would be closer to the center of the buildings to help them be able to sway
also the contractor could have saved $$ that way

which would mean no businesses around the upper floor window areas

but it was just a quick thought
??????

**Howie** · 27 Nov 2010 , 13:54 PM

911 TM

26 Nov 2010 , 13:44 PM	#2
clive Moderator Join Date: 3 Jul 2010 Location: Down Under Land Posts: 1,685 Threads: 119 Blog Entries: 123 Thanked 3,349 Times in 1,281 Posts	Re: Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread... The following photo's were taken supposedly on the 91st floor. Obviously it was either prior to or after the LMCC 'donated' this floor to various 'art students' to ply their wares. There seems to be concrete but I do not know the thickness of it. Also look at the 'storeroom' - does the side wall go all the way to the window and if so was it for extra shelving or an excuse to remove windows??? Regards Clive Thanx to blandscape for these photos. Last edited by clive; 26 Nov 2010 at 16:53 PM. Reason: adding extra info; added picture removed defunct links

26 Nov 2010 , 14:40 PM	#3
Iscribe2 Privileged Join Date: 7 Oct 2007 Posts: 738 Threads: 60 Thanked 799 Times in 372 Posts	Re: Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread... good find Clive. I followed your directions. I clicked oon the title of the photo and was taken to the flicker site: and there are MORE photos on that site there are a lot of things wrong with this photo. There is a lot of questions regarding this photo. Keep in mind this is purportedly the same floor as Gelatin B was in and George Sleigh worked on The photographer claims this photo was taken in March, 2001--perhaps the guys here can exif data that. the furniture seems new. There are even keys taped onto the two drawer beigh file cabinet (third cubicle down) One might think that a business could move the furniture from one place to another and save a lot of money rather than having to rebuy it everything else has been trashed. Papers everywhere, plants knocked over, the floor sunken in in the center of the aisle, floorboards ripped up, popcorns or some maybe silica stuff throw all over the desks and floor, boxes everywhere that appear to have enclosed brand new products a little string that winds up from the left hand corner and on down through the center aisle that goes right through a light brown round thing an old broom in an office life that was supposed to have been? computer equipment that looks like a sledgehammer went at it--no computer equipment was left intact, these guys should have lost their damage deposit but it looks staged __________________ --Isaiah 49:24 & 25 Last edited by Phil Jayhan; 26 Nov 2010 at 16:19 PM. Reason: Added picture: removed defunct links

26 Nov 2010 , 18:31 PM	#5
Phil Jayhan Admin Join Date: 23 Feb 2004 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 22,824 Threads: 2784 Blog Entries: 28 Thanked 7,881 Times in 2,899 Posts	Re: Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread... http://www.flickr.com/photos/8534413@N03/ image hosted on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadcruiser1/ image hosted on flickr View below to core under construction. image hosted on flickr "Column-free" interior view. Note the ties of floor joists to exterior columns that failed in a cascade as the walls buckled and the towers began to collapse. image hosted on flickr Interior deck and ironwork. image hosted on flickr 2 WTC begins its ascent c. 1970 image hosted on flickr image hosted on flickr all photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/18528948@N00/ __________________ Phil Jayhan 9/11 Blog \| Phil Jayhan.Com Video Host \| Frederick Bastiats Audio of "The Law"

26 Nov 2010 , 20:46 PM	#6
Julia.M.Lazare Thinker Join Date: 28 Apr 2010 Posts: 176 Threads: 32 Thanked 348 Times in 128 Posts	S U P P L I E R S Perhaps there is a way to obtain records of CEMENT companies, suppliers, etc from 40 years ago?!?!?!?!?!? Any New Yorkers out there? Or New Jersey? Just thinkin'....................... __________________ ‎"Little good is accomplished without controversy, and no civic evil is ever defeated without publicity." The Daily Anthem Newspaper Morgantown, West Virginia[/B]

27 Nov 2010 , 02:35 AM	#7
Bigtexan Moderator Join Date: 31 Jul 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 775 Threads: 86 Thanked 1,488 Times in 557 Posts	Re: Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread... I see in this picture ,,,, where the tiles have been removed (very bottom),,from a FINISHED floor,,,and the upper is a RAISED sub-floor system,,for which all walls,,and doors have to be special sized to accommodate the actual ceiling to floor height. These raised floor office systems are used when there is a large amount of computer cabling,,,,,and are very expensive! The raised floor system here consists of the risers,,floor trusses,,slot lock floor grids,,and carpet overlay squares. (Note some ground strap anchors glued down to floor) http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/3...c9fc79f6_b.jpg It would be nice to know the floor number this was installed on.

27 Nov 2010 , 02:46 AM	#8
clive Moderator Join Date: 3 Jul 2010 Location: Down Under Land Posts: 1,685 Threads: 119 Blog Entries: 123 Thanked 3,349 Times in 1,281 Posts	Re: Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread... According to the photo it was the 91st floor. Regards Clive

27 Nov 2010 , 02:58 AM	#9
Iscribe2 Privileged Join Date: 7 Oct 2007 Posts: 738 Threads: 60 Thanked 799 Times in 372 Posts	Re: Take the WTC "Where's the Concrete?" Challenge Thread... yup, 91st floor. maybe (according to someone viewing the pics w/me) tile in between steel squares welded together or blasted together flat bar going in between the cement squares a thought this person had: the lower floors built w/ lot of solid cement flooring. the upper floors with not as much...perhaps not as much around the edges and the poured cement or squares would be closer to the center of the buildings to help them be able to sway also the contractor could have saved $$ that way which would mean no businesses around the upper floor window areas but it was just a quick thought ?????? __________________ --Isaiah 49:24 & 25

27 Nov 2010 , 13:54 PM	#10
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