http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6gtq...eature=related

This is an interesting set of concepts.

Hmm....I dont know how old this video is but I think the whole "A group of men with box cutters couldnt have hi-jacked a plane" reasoning is flat out retarded.

Know, Im not saying that Im skeptic - but who's to say that the "terrorists" would not have told the passengers to "sit tight, know one will be hurt, this is a ransom."

Before these attacks, would the average person in America know what Arab terrorists do in such ransom situations? (ie: sawing your head off with a knife alive?)
No.
I not insinuating that Americans are stupid/uneducated but I have met and spoke to MANY americans that have NO CLUE where New Zealand is.
"Isnt that near holland?" is one response I've heard.
An entire continent and its basic location (ie: next to Australia) is basic geography; through this reasoning I bet that majority of the "passengers" were unaware of what Arab terrorists are capable of.

Having said that, if they were told to 'sit tight' chances they would have let it be since theres no point risking life if this is a ransom situation; I even bet that since the only 'weapons' they had were box cutters. the passengers would have been prepared to fight back had it come to a point where someone as threatened.

If a plane was hi-jacked TODAY by a bunch of Arab terrorists with box cutters EVERYONE would know the gravity of the situation and THEN I would say that chances are the "passengers" would have fought back before the "terrorists" achieved their objective.

All this aside; you gotta be careful when using info from Alex Jones and his affiliates.
(Alex Jones "hog-washes" the suggestion that the Vatican-Jesuits have something to do with this....misleading the truth-seeking public onto peripheral or even false ideas

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Look at the photos of the hijackers. All of them are a nearly the same. The background is close to them suppossedly Florida drivers licences. The shadows are close to the subjet. Now to make them menacing not one of them smiles. This is not natural, human nature makes at least most people smile for the camera. Even during mug shots for police you will have at least 35% of the idiots grinning. You cannot have a smiling terrorist, it would not wash. I have searched other Florida DL photos, none others show the shadow of a background screen. Cee Cee Lyles and John Tag.. show the same shadows. I still believe the CCL DL was lifted from another photo. They show her wearing the flight attendant uniform but she did not become a flight attendant untill Oct. 2000. Her Florida DL is from 1997, THE PHOTO IS A FAKE!

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JOHN316

Are you saying that you would have stayed put in your seat during a hi-jacking - knowing the hijackers have nothing more than box cutters? I hope I misinterpreted your post.

-MM

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it totally depends on the situation.
If Im at the back and theres 2 hijackers up front and one of them has his box-cutter up to a kids throat - It would be INSANE to try something.
If there is a hostage involved you dont have many options.

The point Im trying to make is that even IF the whole "hijackers" story was true; we dont know ANYTHING about the circumstances.
All the guyin the video has done has speculated heavily (about that specific point), and the croud just EATS it up without further thought.
This is bad because people hear that reasoning and use it in arguements with skeptics, eventually some skeptic will think it through and come up with a realistic possiblity that makes that one reason look half-baked.
Which I will do now:

EG: If there were passegners on the WTC planes, prehaps they had been told "sit tight this is a ransom, flinch and you're dead." <-- a probable statement made by the terrorists to keep the passengers from trying to stop them before accomplishing their true mission: crashing into the towers.

The passengers could have then devised that they were gonna do something only once they had landed (maybe the hijackers killed/mortally wounded the pilots so they cant overthrow the hijackers because no-one will be able to land= suicide.)

So in this scenario, it would explain why the passengers of the WTC planes did nothing.

To speculate as the man in the video did is careless; My above example shows that his reasoning (in that one statement/point/example) is totally flawed.
Its lucky Im not blind/a skeptic because if I WAS my example would just be another thing for skeptics to cling to as if it just debunked the conspiracy theory.

Its not even a half-baked reason.
It goes in the same box as "there were no planes!"

Some might ask then in response to that: "what of flight 93 then?"

But to fit into the whole BS "hijackers" fable; maybe 1 or a few passengers knew of what Arab terrorists do ie: suicide bombers etc and conlcuded that they were not in a ransom situation but a suicide attack hence; fought back in attempt to stop them, terrorist pilot rolls the plane to ensure that he gets his 71 virgins; plane crashes.

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John316, you would actually allow someone to do that?!!! PATHETIC!!!!!

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JOHN316 - I don't disagree w/ your point of view ... all things are possible (leaves even more room for serious speculation) - but more to my point - is the fact there was No recorded resistance in ANY of the hijacks. Consider this ... other than the fake cell calls ... 3 of the 4 planes were WELL WITHIN CELL PHONE TOWER RANGE. We have since learned the cell phone calls from the PA crash were faked - impossible to pull cell signal at Flight Level 33,000 - is that not enough for you to understand that box cutters did not hijack these aircraft? For me, in my humble hypothesis, it is.

While much is known of what really DID NOT happen - we have all been media knowledge injected that a box cutter is a lethal weapon!!??? What a great reason, for those in command, to set a command, that allows for a search and confiscate at our numerous Ports of Entry. The Port Authority NOW has the legal power to confiscate a BOX CUTTER! What's next? Tweezers?


Sit back - look at the entire picture/event - and you will realize that what we have been "told" to believe - is but pure fantasy BY THEIR DESIGN. By natural nature (redundant .. I know!), the next Human Being thinking is ... WHAT ARE THEY THINKING AND WHAT ARE THEY UP TOO ... AND WHY???.

These are the questions LetsRollForums seeks to answer. While we here do enjoy a good mind bender such as your box cutter post ... - as these types of thought have spawned many a new question -
the main mission is to prove scientific fact. A fact can be proven or disproved.

For what it is worth John316 (love your nick) ... I thought like you did - trying to explain it away. Keep that part up, it shows you are a seeker of knowledge ... but, I am here to tell you - BOX CUTTERS didn't do 9/11. Proof? NONE except what I would have done 'up there' had I been there. (yes .. I realize this substantiates your argument). I, for one, would not have sat complacent in my seat. There is no way, 4 hijackings of the same day, occurred because of box cutters! Your theory? One craft, with a jerk holding a cutter to a kid and how would we react? OKAY - message received ... possibly could have happened ... BUT FOUR!? NO WAY!!!

I ask - What ARE they up to?

Regards,

MM

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John, sorry for the harsh criticism.
But when I hear anyone say they would sit by and watch another terrorize a little kid, for any reason, and instead speculate and rationalize the outcome, it really dashes any hope of Americans standing up to the fascist usurpers.

The MAIN reason 911 was SO effective, in this country,especially, is because most Americans have been convinced to mistrust their own intellect, "don't believe what you think, let us tell you what to believe."

Your speculative scenario: That's insane? Isn't it more insane to sit back and allow this to happen?
Eventually, all the kids will be dead, and then they move on to the sleeping adults, who are dreaming that the bad men will disappear and leave them alone.

That said, I understand your reasoning, and agree it would have played a part in the hypothetical scenario we've all been fed. But I do find it hard to believe, that the crews of these planes let a few scrawny little men with PLASTIC BOX CUTTERS (yes,I'm very familiar with this particular weapon. Do you know how easy it is to break the blade on those things?)take over the plane and hold every person on board hostage!

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Trueblue, I think you've misinterpreted what I ment but not doing something in that situation:
*I* would not try something because I would be just too far away to get there in time; the dude would have slit the kids throat by the time i would have gotten half way.
It would be insane however if the guys up the front of the plane didnt do something even though they were close enough!

and just to make sure we're talking about the same weapon (maybe a "box cutter" down here in NZ is more dangerous than the "box cutter" in US?


If we're talking about this; yea the blade is easy to break off sure, its also real easy slice through your vital neck arterys.

However I still think that my scenario (pilots dead/mortally wounded, passsengers decide to wait until safe on ground [[believing that it is ransom situation]] before overthrowing the box-cutter-weilding-terrorists) is a likely explanation for why a plane hijacked by 4 dudes with crappy knives did not encounter any passenger resistance.

So to say that "no 4 dudes with box cutters could have done it" is almost the same as assuming this rediculous scenario:

Terrorist stands up the front: "ALRIGHT!...THIS IS A HI-JACKING!!...WE DONT HAVE ANY GUNS, BOMBS OR ANYTHING REMOTELY LETHAL...BUT!!! DONT EVEN FLINCH OR I'LL STAB YOU WITH MY 1.5" BLADE WHICH BREAKS RATHER EASILY AND I DONT HAVE ANY SPARES!!!...BUT WE HAVE FOUR EACH SO DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE GOTTA FLY THIS PLANE INTO THE WTC BUILDINGS OK!?!?"

If THAT was the scenario; I'd call BS too on the passengers not doing anything immiediately.
But we dont know the scenario and the limits to speculation are only limited to the imagination.

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You gotta admitt though MrMega, you can easily kill someone with a box cutter - maybe not instantly like a bullet to the head but a slice through the jugular and one would be gone fast.

Exactly, thats why I like this forum because it scrutinizes theories rather than just accepting the next new peice of probable evidence JUST because its consistent with the conspiracy.

Yeah the probablility of four identical scenarios are far-slim, but its enough for a skeptic to hang on to!

If I jump back into skeptic mode, I could think of 4 probable scenarios that the skeptic/debunkers group woul cling to, but lol its a waste of time as we already know the terrorist scenario ENTIRELY is fake.

Just the pentagon pictures and the PA pictures is enough for one to ask if those crash sites even WERE the planes....well, it was for me but obviously there are still some people that believe those ARE the sites.

Bewildering really. If they saw a pig fly surely by the same logic they'd say "what a beautiful duck!"

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