bgfawcett

Dear friends,

This forum looks extremely promising and I wholeheartedly look forward to the discussions we'll have. However, one thing we have to be careful not to get sidetracked on are sexual predators in the clergy. Now, I wholeheartedly believe the rampant pedophilia and fornication among Catholic priests is largely the result of the doctrine of clerical celibacy, that vile heresy borrowed from the spiritual brothels of heathenism. However, the recent Ted Haggard scandal should remind us that the problem is not just limited to those struggling with their sexual urges within the confines of seminaries and cathedral walls. Married men of the cloth are breaking the seventh commandment with just as much vigour. Although sexual immortality has been prevalent in the Catholic Church for generations, we are in the last days, and, as Paul predicted, moral conditions are generally deteriorating. Divorce, children born out of wedlock, and homosexuality are formidable problems in the world at large. Devoting our energy and effort to documenting all the sex crimes the clergy are perpetrating, with the basic SIN problem (from which all this immorality flows) going neglected, is not only a waste of time, it's missing the point- the point of Scripture's diagnosis of human nature, and missing the point of exposing Catholicism.

The Vatican has covered up innumerable cases of abuse by priests. For this, it should be recognized as a disgusting, corrupt, un-Christian institution. The Jesuit Order, its secret service which has no regard for human rights, currently controls the world, and wants to replace the Gospel with worship (in a form based on paganism) and submission to a religious tyrant with a God complex. For that, it is the Whore of Babylon.

Catch my drift?

I don't object to people posting about Catholic sex crimes here, but remember: All you're proving is the depravity of man, not showing the Antichrist for who he is.

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In Christ, and for the Gospel of the Kingdom,
Brett

trueblue

Some good points, Brett.

Another way of saying would be that it's not just some of the clergy, but the institution itself that is corrupt, and was from the beginning.

I think your point about singling out the perverted clergyman is valid, and we need to focus our energies against the Beast that controls them.

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Phil Jayhan

Brett or Brent??

I agree and disagree. I once believed as you did but now, after absorbing the Franklin Cover Up, and everything else beyond, believe that the sexual abuse and pedophilia has nothing to do with men having a hard time controlling their sexual urges due to celibacy, or general immorality. I believe that pedophilia itself is institutionalized, taught to the Jesuits and Priests, and done as an actual doctrine and practice; Don't believe me? Check out what Paul said was going on in 1st Corinthians 5-6 at the Temples at Corinth. Remember, the Holy Roman See, if you don't know already, is and was the Holy Roman Empire who ran these same temples of sexual perversions, were the members did such vile things as having sex with their own children, animals, you name it, things which ought not to be mentioned;

So I know where your coming from but you need to watch Albert Riveros interview, ex Jesuit, and see how the Jesuits, out of Georgetown University alone, train some 8-900 Jesuits in the art of becoming Protestant ministers, and subverting the Christian churches with the same filth. And thats just ONE university. 8-900 people a year which are being trained to become pastors in christian churches. So yes, we will soon see a rampant rise in sex crimes of so called 'protestant' ministers, because it has come from the Jesuits mostly and these churches have been infiltrated by them, so that it mirrors the sex crimes of the Mother Harlot, Rome.

There is far more to this than meets the eye Brett. Take a long study before you make hard decisions and make up your mind. And because so many Children are involved, do not wiegh in on the scales of mercy. Just in this nation alone my guess is a few million kids in some way or another get molested each year by Catholic Priests alone.

Just some thought to help keep you sober minded when researching this material. If you lean in any direction, lean in the favor of the poor helpless and defensless children whose lives are forever corrupted, soiled and ruined by these abominations they call Preists and Jesuits.

cheers-
phil

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PrussianBlue

Hi dude.

None of these things are problems at all. They are only perceived as problems if you subscribe to a certain doctrine.

Divorce: People fall out of love, it is not a problem, people grow, change, this is quite normal.

Children born out of wedlock? : It is wedlock that is not normal or natural not childbirth.

Homosexuality: This is quite normal my friend. Homosexual behaviour has been recorded for as long as human history has been recorded. The only reason you see more of it in our age is that people are not afraid of the perceived stigma anymore. They are waking up.

Cheers

trueblue

PrussianBlue,

At first I thought you were being sarcastic,but reading over your last post,I'm not sure anymore.

Divorce may be common at this point in time, but historically, "falling out of love" on the scale we see today, is NOT natural. Are you familiar with the definition of love in the Bible? Every aspect of true love that is listed in the bible is considered by the psychology community to be a mental illness they call "co-dependency".
Historically,one's family has always been concern #1. If your spouse is not your priority in life, then your relationship is not based on love. (by this I mean the biblical standard, not todays selfish self-interest.)
So, what they consider abnormal, the bible consideres ideal. (no big surprise there!)

Homosexuality is quite normal?!! I believe the vast majority of humans who have ever lived would disagree with that statement. Sure, there have always been degenarates, but NORMAL? Am I abnormal for finding females sexually attractive (I'm a guy!) and have never once thought of another male as sexually interesting?

Look, I'm not a gay basher, what people want to do with other consenting adults is their business, but it's NOT NORMAL!! (natural)

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Phil Jayhan

Stabbing babies in barns, at Temples and Statues of gods has been recorded since the beginning of time as well PB. And it is happening in an alarmingly high frequency today, and some of them are becoming more and more open about human sacrifice because they are not afraid of the 'perceived stigma' any longer. Does this make it good or right, or normal? The word normal is a generic word anyways, with no objective standard based upon it. The word really means nothing. It is not a definition of what is righteous or good or holy. It was normal to eat people to many tribes in Africa and South America, for everyone did it. Does this make it any less of an abomination?

Homosexuality normal? Place a bunch of Homosexuals of the same sex on an Island for a century, and then come back and scientifically record how normal homosexuality is; How well they fared, how many offspring they have, and what their society has become. Even among the false doctrine of evolution, homosexuality is an abomination, for it defies the the evolutionist maxim, that only the fittest survive;

I think the main difference between you and some of us here is that you look upon humans as animals, while we are not animals. We are made in the likeness of God. And are to behave in such a way as is befitting of this great honor.

cheers-
phil

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PrussianBlue

I don't quite get your point on divorce, but I would still say that people have been falling in and out of love forever. What you might see as statistics of todays world could well be scewed by the alarming omount of mis matches that are being performed as weddings.

As for as homosexuality goes, yes granted, it is not normal for YOU but it is a very normal thing for some people and it always has been. There is and always has been hetrosexuals, homosexuals and asexuals. I guess it is something you will jst have to deal with or ignore.

Yes the vast majority of humans are hetrosexual but that in no way means that homosexuality is not normal.... It is a big planet trueblue Homosexuals are not degenarates. They simply have a different sexual persuasion than you. No, you are not abnormal finding females attractive but neither is some guy that finds some John attractive. Both are normal and within a standard deviation of human sexuality. It is NORMAL and it is NATURAL, it is just not in your world view, but that is fine.

PrussianBlue

Phil

I am quite surprised that you could make such a statement considering what I have read about your serious oposition to the vatican. Yo can't tell me that you have posted all this stuff but still swallow the shit about the catholic god.

The thought of that makes me vomit. You could not be such a hypocrite..... surely ???

PrussianBlue

Phil

I am quite surprised that you could make such a statement considering what I have read about your serious oposition to the vatican. Yo can't tell me that you have posted all this stuff but still swallow the shit about the catholic god.

The thought of that makes me vomit. You could not be such a hypocrite..... surely ???

Phil Jayhan

Well one guy sticking his rod up another guys ass grosses me out. I worship the one true God, and am not ashamed of it. They worship lucifer, and should be ashamed, and one day will be ashamed. I don't worship the God of the Catholics. I worship him who made the heavens and the earth, and is above every creature that can be named.

Cheers-
phil

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