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Whats interesting Larry is the obvious,. All building contents are removed. And not only are all building contents removed, but the building is then gutted of everything not structural, even down to the water sprinklers for fire suppression.
As we have spent so much time going over the details in the last several weeks, I am going to make a different new thread about this later today, but here is a snapshot; Mostly things we have already discussed on the phone. That the World Trade Center appears to have been similarly emptied and gutted; Here is a short list of what was missing from the debris pile of the world trade center; 45,000 desks 45,000 chairs 245 Acres of Carpeting 40,000 File Cabinets 40,000 Cubicles 75,000 Telephones 50,000 Staplers 20,000 miles of wiring 300 Mainframe computers 45,000 Computer monitors 45,000 Keyboards 45,000 mice/computer aid 650 Fire Extinguishers 3000 Copy Machines 2000 Water Coolers 3000 Printers 20,000 doors 40,000 door knobs 450 Refrigerators 5000 Snack and Soda vending machines 3000 Wallets & purses 3000 Employee ID cards (Required after 1993 bombing) 3000 Employee personal cell phones 347 Firemans coats 694 Firemans boots 347 Firemans hard hats 347 Fireman There was 60 TONS of combustible materials on each floor of the world trade center. Not counting WTC7, this is 13,200 TONS of combustibles total. All of it missing from the debris pile. And this list is just a partial. The above list is merely a partial list of the things missing from ground zero. Larry and I have been working on this for 3-4 weeks now and believe there is a very credible case to be made whereby it can be proven the world trade center, perhaps from the 30th floor and above, except for the sky-lobby and the windows of the world restaurant, was empty and gutted and ready for the controlled demolition it was intended for. As all of Larry's videos above show, the building are not only emptied of contents, but gutted. Exactly as we see in the world trade center debris pile. GREAT POST LARRY! Cheers- Phil __________________
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I agree Keith, on it's face it may seem like a giant leap, but it is far simpler than one would think.
Over the Months/Years between the decision to demolish the towers and 911, as leases expired and or companies relocated, they were replaced with Front/Ghost Companies. One by one. Normally in commercial real estate, when office space changes hands it is gutted, then renovated to suit its new tenant. In this case, it would be COMPLETELY gutted in preparation for "renovation". Between the traffic to lower floors, subway, and the tourist traffic going all the way to the top, there would still be tremendous lobby traffic all day. We have already identified companies with close ties to Intelligence, as nearly all of them were Banking/Trading companies. This did not happen in a matter of days or weeks before 911, but slowly, one tenant at a time. At no single time would there be a drastic change in traffic. it would have been a gradual change. I have a spreadsheet I will have to figure out how to post over here, showing nearly all of the top people in Building Operations, Property Management, Safety, and Security all were on the victim's lists. This goes for both Port Authority and Silverstein top dogs at the WTC. Also with the Express Elevator/Lobby design, people would travel right by these floors, with no chance to notice, or accidentally get off there. After all, these were Banking and Trading companies, and even under normal circumstances they are secure. All of their business is either Confidential Customer Information, or Company Trading Secrets, so they don't allow people to just visit and wander around anyway. After the '93 bombing, there were security checkpoints, free movement around the buildings was restricted. Material was removed as part of the "renovation" (which is constantly occurring in big office buildings) sent down the chute to trucks, sold for scrap or sent to the City controlled landfill. Certainly there would be people involved in keeping up certain appearances, but it would not take that many, as many lower floors would provide traffic. Truthfully, Office tenants don't provide a lot of foot traffic except at the morning and evening rush anyway. Besides, I have pored over the NIST photos recently released, and every picture I have from 911, and the things mentioned above simply are not there. Controlled Demolition and other demolition outfits don't remove EVERYTHING from their sites for fun, as you can see in the videos above, they do it because it is necessary in order not to spread it out over a square mile. When it's trajectory would start at 1000 feet above the street, imagine how far it WOULD travel. I don't buy that the "death ray" vaporized it all except for Ruth McCourt's Papal Ring, and it is not on the street or in the rubble pile, so if it was there, where did it go? And why did we not see 75,000 phones rain down on Manhattan? __________________
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Yep, okay. You make some good points do2read.
I'm a little more comfortable with the idea now. Very interesting stuff. Keith |
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I appreciate your open mindedness and patience Keith.
I realize that in many ways the idea is a quantum leap, but when looking with open eyes at what a controlled demolition looks like, and what I see in the photos (or rather don't see), it becomes the only plausible explanation. This is not something I dreamed up the other night and immediately posted, Phil and I have been talking through and researching this for some time now. As I continue to look at photographs, looking for something that would force me to change my mind, I just don't see anything. All I see is street-level debris. Not one plastic office garbage can. I have spotted plastic cans, but upon closer inspection they turned out to be the very large street level kind. I thought I found a bunch of wadded up pipe, but it turned out to be a bicycle rack. Where are the miles and miles of heavy guage steel Fire Sprinkler pipe, with it's threaded joints, designed to survive any building catastrophy? I would appreciate people here at the friendly environment of letsroll looking through their picture archives. Try it out. It is not easy, as dust is covering everything, but you can tell what things are, what few you find. After an honest look, the answer is clear. I know it is a completely different idea, and the ramifications are ENORMOUS, but when you carefully consider them, they answer more questions than they create. What if those buildings were not full of stuff on 911? __________________
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Larry - I realise you and Phil have been working on this for a while, and I have to agree...it is the only plausible explanation for the lack of expected debris.
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It does closely relate to the current victim research.
As I mentioned above nearly everyone at the Port Authority and of course Silverstein Properties that would be needed on the inside, or be able to answer any questions afterward, "died" in the Building. That would take care of questions about the occupants, and cover security for the operation. Workers gutting the floors would be just gutting the old offices in preparation for the new, the new done by another contractor, and would have to be none the wiser. The victim research, while much has already been uncovered, is still in its infancy, and there is a lot to be done. Given what has already been discovered at roughly 10%(?) done, there will be much more! You recently joined us, and it seems like the team is growing every day. But I see the same general patterns in the WTC victims as the Passengers. With a very limited amount of space on the ground in which to put the building remains, another point which must have been considered was the total volume in the pile. Building contents and non-structural material would have added to the volume tremendously (what had not been ejected at terminal velocity). Conservation in the total volume was critical, due to the fact that they were starting with 110 stories of structural steel and concrete. I don't think this theory has been discussed, much less tested, anywhere else before. Staged "wavers" and "jumpers" were very effective in creating the illusion of occupants in our mind and EMOTIONS, preventing us from even asking the question. But now I've asked it; WHERE'S THE BEEF? (debris) __________________
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I'm a little skeptical of this theory myself but it isn't out of the question. The towers where 40% unoccupied. One thing to bear in mind though. The towers were not a controlled implosion. They where a semi controlled destruction. There is a major difference. They obviously did not have every thing removed because all that paper came from some where. Most likely from file cabinets. I think the absence of any large recognizable objects has more to due with what was used to destroy the buildings myself. Just my opinion. Just look at all those burned out vehicles. I've seen more than my share of burned vehicles and they don't look like those ones.
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