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Old 19 Jun 2010 , 14:30 PM   #1
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Essential Prep for Controlled Demo - Did we Miss Anything? Was the World Trade Center pre demolished and Hollow on 9/11?







One thing that nearly all 911 truth believers agree upon, is the destruction of the 3 buildings by controlled demolition. It is nearly obvious that the buildings did not "collapse" straight down at near free-fall velocity. While there remain many circular arguments about exactly what methods were used, almost everyone agrees that it was a controlled demolition of some type.

Video evidence (squibs) prove that no matter which method(s) were employed, there were coordinated explosions identifiable on the upper floors of the World Trade Center towers during the demolition. These explosions produced a percussive wave (air blast) which blew out the windows and forced dust and any available debris out at a tremendous velocity, producing the visually distinct "squibs".

Upon close re-inspection, in can be noted that these squibs seem to contain only dust, and no projectiles large enough to be seen are ejected. Unlike dust, larger debris carries the momentum inherent with its greater mass, and would tend to travel in a trajectory when it is ejected at speeds of over 15,000 feet per second. Dust loses its propulsion as quickly as the pressures propelling it are equalized. Any larger piece of debris would be carried, farther than the dust cloud, outward by its momentum.

It should also be noted that a few of these explosions carried assemblies of steel beams weighing many tons outward 500 feet or more.

According to this article at How Stuff Works;

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Once they have a clear idea of how the structure should fall, it's time to prepare the building. The first step in preparation, which often begins before the blasters have actually surveyed the site, is to clear any debris out of the building. Next, construction crews, or, more accurately, destruction crews, begin taking out non-load-bearing walls within the building. This makes for a cleaner break at each floor: If these walls were left intact, they would stiffen the building, hindering its collapse. Destruction crews may also weaken the supporting columns with sledge hammers or steel-cutters, so that they give way more easily.
link: http://science.howstuffworks.com/bui...implosion1.htm

And these Wikipedia articles;

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Larger or more complex structures can take up to six months of preparation to remove internal walls and wrap columns with fabric and fencing before firing the explosives.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_implosion

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It takes several weeks or months to prepare a building for implosion. All items of value, such as copper wiring, are stripped from a building. Some materials must be removed, such as glass that can form deadly projectiles, and insulation that can scatter over a wide area. Non-load bearing partitions and drywall are removed.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition#Preparation

everything is removed from the buildings that can be removed.


In this Nova interview Stacy Loizeaux, of Controlled Demolition Inc., states:


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We are usually an implosion subcontractor, meaning that there is a main demolition contractor on site, who's been contracted by the property owner or the developer, and they then subcontract the implosion to us. We will then ask them to perform preparatory operations, including non-load bearing partition removal—meaning, the dry wall that separates the rooms. It's not carrying the weight of the building. It's just there as a divider. But what happens—you know, if you have a case of beer—all the little cardboard reinforcements inside? If you have all those little cardboard reinforcements, then you can jump up and down on the case. But if you take them out, the case will crush under your weight. Those little partitions actually add up and act as stiffeners. So that's one of the first things we strip out.
link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/kaboom/loizeaux.html

So, according to the experts, in order to safely demolish a building with implosion techniques, everything, including non-bearing walls must be removed.

The two main reasons stated for this seem obvious, but important. The first, that they may "stiffen" the building, is explained well by Ms. Loizeaux.

The second is really two-fold. Objects which remain serve as literal "cannon fodder", that is, anything present at detonation is instantly propelled as a projectile. Smaller objects tend to be even more worrysome than large, because due to aerodynamics, large objects have a lower terminal velocity. Small objects are like bullets, their mass provides momentum which outweighs the aerodynamic slowing forces, due to little surface area.

The other reason many things are removed is for their recycled value. Often on demolition projects small and large, the proceeds of recycled steel, copper, and other items can offset or even cover the entire cost of the demolition.

The main reason though, is the first, removal of potential projectiles.

Here are a few video examples of controlled demolitions:






Note that in each of these examples, the buildings are completely gutted. On floors where explosives are to be placed (they are not necessary on every floor), the windows and often the exterior have been removed in order to eliminate outward ejections.

The examples above show that everything; wiring, plumbing, drywall, fixtures, partitions, doors, everything that can be removed, is removed before the charges are set. NOTE: During construction, cranes and elevators must be used to move these materials UP, during demolition gravity is employed so chutes and the like can facilitate sending these materials DOWN for removal.

The above discussion deals with only the deconstruction of the building in preparation for demolition. Removal of the buildings former contents is not even mentioned as it would seem a foregone conclusion that if parts of the building (attached) can become dangerous projectiles, untethered office contents would certainly be shot out everywhere like fireworks.


Everyone seems to agree that the towers were felled by controlled demolition, and they certainly were. So where is the ejection of office contents from outside and corner offices? Where are the pieces of Plumbing, Fire sprinkler pipe (very indestructible), Fire doors, etc,(the list is too long) which should have rained down all over Manhattan when ejected by the explosions?

There is only one reasonable answer to that question.


***Please listen to a recent interview with Jim Fetzer on his Radio show, the Real Deal, where Phil Jayhan & myself are interviewed by Jim Fetzer on these amazing new discoveries! Sometimes its a lot better to be able to hear all the evidence for an idea and theory then reading all about it,fragmented all over the forums. Please check out the interview below, it might answer many of your questions.


July 28th, 2010

PART 1: Larry McWilliams & Phil Jayhan - The Hollow WTC Towers & Missing Contents 9/11:

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PART 2: Phil Jayhan and Larry McWilliams - The Hollow Towers & Missing Contents 9/11:


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    Old 19 Jun 2010 , 15:17 PM   #2
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    Lightbulb World Trade Center - Contents of WTC missing from Debris Pile

    Whats interesting Larry is the obvious,. All building contents are removed. And not only are all building contents removed, but the building is then gutted of everything not structural, even down to the water sprinklers for fire suppression.

    As we have spent so much time going over the details in the last several weeks, I am going to make a different new thread about this later today, but here is a snapshot; Mostly things we have already discussed on the phone.

    That the World Trade Center appears to have been similarly emptied and gutted; Here is a short list of what was missing from the debris pile of the world trade center;

    45,000 desks
    45,000 chairs
    245 Acres of Carpeting
    40,000 File Cabinets
    40,000 Cubicles
    75,000 Telephones
    50,000 Staplers
    20,000 miles of wiring
    300 Mainframe computers
    45,000 Computer monitors
    45,000 Keyboards
    45,000 mice/computer aid
    650 Fire Extinguishers
    3000 Copy Machines
    2000 Water Coolers
    3000 Printers
    20,000 doors
    40,000 door knobs
    450 Refrigerators
    5000 Snack and Soda vending machines
    3000 Wallets & purses
    3000 Employee ID cards (Required after 1993 bombing)
    3000 Employee personal cell phones
    347 Firemans coats
    694 Firemans boots
    347 Firemans hard hats
    347 Fireman


    There was 60 TONS of combustible materials on each floor of the world trade center. Not counting WTC7, this is 13,200 TONS of combustibles total. All of it missing from the debris pile. And this list is just a partial.

    The above list is merely a partial list of the things missing from ground zero. Larry and I have been working on this for 3-4 weeks now and believe there is a very credible case to be made whereby it can be proven the world trade center, perhaps from the 30th floor and above, except for the sky-lobby and the windows of the world restaurant, was empty and gutted and ready for the controlled demolition it was intended for.

    As all of Larry's videos above show, the building are not only emptied of contents, but gutted. Exactly as we see in the world trade center debris pile. GREAT POST LARRY!

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    Old 20 Jun 2010 , 03:42 AM   #3
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    ...and believe there is a very credible case to be made whereby it can be proven the world trade center, perhaps from the 30th floor and above, except for the sky-lobby and the windows of the world restaurant, was empty and gutted and ready for the controlled demolition it was intended for.
    Sheesh...that's one hell of a premise Phil. I mean, I hear what you are saying about stuff missing from the debris that should be there, but how would all those floors be gutted, essentially without general public knowledge. I'm thinking out aloud here really, not saying you're wrong.

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    I agree Keith, on it's face it may seem like a giant leap, but it is far simpler than one would think.

    Over the Months/Years between the decision to demolish the towers and 911, as leases expired and or companies relocated, they were replaced with Front/Ghost Companies. One by one.

    Normally in commercial real estate, when office space changes hands it is gutted, then renovated to suit its new tenant.

    In this case, it would be COMPLETELY gutted in preparation for "renovation".

    Between the traffic to lower floors, subway, and the tourist traffic going all the way to the top, there would still be tremendous lobby traffic all day.

    We have already identified companies with close ties to Intelligence, as nearly all of them were Banking/Trading companies.

    This did not happen in a matter of days or weeks before 911, but slowly, one tenant at a time. At no single time would there be a drastic change in traffic. it would have been a gradual change.

    I have a spreadsheet I will have to figure out how to post over here, showing nearly all of the top people in Building Operations, Property Management, Safety, and Security all were on the victim's lists. This goes for both Port Authority and Silverstein top dogs at the WTC.

    Also with the Express Elevator/Lobby design, people would travel right by these floors, with no chance to notice, or accidentally get off there. After all, these were Banking and Trading companies, and even under normal circumstances they are secure. All of their business is either Confidential Customer Information, or Company Trading Secrets, so they don't allow people to just visit and wander around anyway.

    After the '93 bombing, there were security checkpoints, free movement around the buildings was restricted.

    Material was removed as part of the "renovation" (which is constantly occurring in big office buildings) sent down the chute to trucks, sold for scrap or sent to the City controlled landfill.

    Certainly there would be people involved in keeping up certain appearances, but it would not take that many, as many lower floors would provide traffic. Truthfully, Office tenants don't provide a lot of foot traffic except at the morning and evening rush anyway.

    Besides, I have pored over the NIST photos recently released, and every picture I have from 911, and the things mentioned above simply are not there.

    Controlled Demolition and other demolition outfits don't remove EVERYTHING from their sites for fun, as you can see in the videos above, they do it because it is necessary in order not to spread it out over a square mile. When it's trajectory would start at 1000 feet above the street, imagine how far it WOULD travel.

    I don't buy that the "death ray" vaporized it all except for Ruth McCourt's Papal Ring, and it is not on the street or in the rubble pile, so if it was there, where did it go?

    And why did we not see 75,000 phones rain down on Manhattan?
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    Yep, okay. You make some good points do2read.

    I'm a little more comfortable with the idea now. Very interesting stuff.

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    I appreciate your open mindedness and patience Keith.

    I realize that in many ways the idea is a quantum leap, but when looking with open eyes at what a controlled demolition looks like, and what I see in the photos (or rather don't see), it becomes the only plausible explanation.

    This is not something I dreamed up the other night and immediately posted, Phil and I have been talking through and researching this for some time now.

    As I continue to look at photographs, looking for something that would force me to change my mind, I just don't see anything. All I see is street-level debris. Not one plastic office garbage can. I have spotted plastic cans, but upon closer inspection they turned out to be the very large street level kind.

    I thought I found a bunch of wadded up pipe, but it turned out to be a bicycle rack. Where are the miles and miles of heavy guage steel Fire Sprinkler pipe, with it's threaded joints, designed to survive any building catastrophy?

    I would appreciate people here at the friendly environment of letsroll looking through their picture archives. Try it out. It is not easy, as dust is covering everything, but you can tell what things are, what few you find.

    After an honest look, the answer is clear.

    I know it is a completely different idea, and the ramifications are ENORMOUS, but when you carefully consider them, they answer more questions than they create.

    What if those buildings were not full of stuff on 911?
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    Larry - I realise you and Phil have been working on this for a while, and I have to agree...it is the only plausible explanation for the lack of expected debris.

    What about all the names of victims? More aliases? Blimey

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    It does closely relate to the current victim research.

    As I mentioned above nearly everyone at the Port Authority and of course Silverstein Properties that would be needed on the inside, or be able to answer any questions afterward, "died" in the Building. That would take care of questions about the occupants, and cover security for the operation.

    Workers gutting the floors would be just gutting the old offices in preparation for the new, the new done by another contractor, and would have to be none the wiser.

    The victim research, while much has already been uncovered, is still in its infancy, and there is a lot to be done. Given what has already been discovered at roughly 10%(?) done, there will be much more! You recently joined us, and it seems like the team is growing every day. But I see the same general patterns in the WTC victims as the Passengers.

    With a very limited amount of space on the ground in which to put the building remains, another point which must have been considered was the total volume in the pile. Building contents and non-structural material would have added to the volume tremendously (what had not been ejected at terminal velocity). Conservation in the total volume was critical, due to the fact that they were starting with 110 stories of structural steel and concrete.

    I don't think this theory has been discussed, much less tested, anywhere else before. Staged "wavers" and "jumpers" were very effective in creating the illusion of occupants in our mind and EMOTIONS, preventing us from even asking the question.

    But now I've asked it;

    WHERE'S THE BEEF? (debris)
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    45,000 desks
    45,000 chairs
    245 Acres of Carpeting
    40,000 File Cabinets
    40,000 Cubicles
    75,000 Telephones
    50,000 Staplers
    20,000 miles of wiring
    300 Mainframe computers
    45,000 Computer monitors
    45,000 Keyboards
    45,000 mice/computer aid
    650 Fire Extinguishers
    3000 Copy Machines
    2000 Water Coolers
    3000 Printers
    20,000 doors
    40,000 door knobs
    450 Refrigerators
    5000 Snack and Soda vending machines
    3000 Wallets & purses
    3000 Employee ID cards (Required after 1993 bombing)
    3000 Employee personal cell phones
    Vapourized. Nuclear event(s).
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    I'm a little skeptical of this theory myself but it isn't out of the question. The towers where 40% unoccupied. One thing to bear in mind though. The towers were not a controlled implosion. They where a semi controlled destruction. There is a major difference. They obviously did not have every thing removed because all that paper came from some where. Most likely from file cabinets. I think the absence of any large recognizable objects has more to due with what was used to destroy the buildings myself. Just my opinion. Just look at all those burned out vehicles. I've seen more than my share of burned vehicles and they don't look like those ones.

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