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@911conspiracyT (post #17),
Thanks for the post Matt about the Banjo app, preciate that.
Sorry (to Phil, Rob, griff, Ruby, Matt, anybody else who doesn't mind my posts at least) that I have not posted in quite a while, still dealing with chronic pelvic pain, making progress (at least slight) towards curing myself, but long hours sitting in front of a computer does not seem to help. I'm going to start trying to make at least one post a week now, not guaranteeing that but see how it goes of course.
So Matt, you have Banjo app on your phone (smart phone right, iphone or android?), what does the app do that would have any interest for you, or just the general consumer/users out there? Just curious if you have used it for anything useful for you personally.
This video here, Damian Patton, he demonstrates the Banjo app on a smart phone,
Banjo Demo at SXSW 2012
CEO Damien Patton demos the features of Banjo, the social discovery app, for LAPTOP Magazine at SXSW 2012.
The main thing I get from this app usage, hell is still surveillance, even if the average consumer/user is the one doing it: for instance the "friend alert" feature on the app, he states that we're (as in the Banjo technology) watching your friends and even when they are not on Banjo at that time (but I would presume they have to be on their phones then {or at least you know where the hell their phone is at that time}) and can alert the Banjo app user (and set distance radius, even far away cities) where your friends are at that time.
To me the whole thing smacks as a huge surveillance net, technology to track as many people as possible, all the time; people and events of course, in real time 24/7/365.
I would imagine that the Banjo app(s) available for businesses/corporations and gov/military are considerably (understatement) more detailed and invasive with information it can gather and provide for such "surveillance", I would have to think so anyway.
Gonna come back later for more posts regarding the link between "trans-genderism" and "trans-humanism".
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Thanks Matt for the responses, really cool. Yeah, the Neuralink definitely does sound like first steps towards producing a hivemind, Borg (guess you're a trekkie maybe?), or lots of mind controlled slaves at least.
Good videos, going through those now, thanks.
So, I'm guessing you will pass on getting the electrodes and chip in your brain?? haha, yeah me too! I'll go on the fence and say there are no takers from anybody coming here to LRF either (visitors and posters).
@Truthissweet (post #21),
Luddites description, from Wikipedia (Google search)
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Luddite
The Luddites were a radical group of English textile workers and weavers in the 19th century who destroyed weaving machinery as a form of protest. The group was protesting the use of machinery in a "fraudulent and deceitful manner" to get around standard labour practices. Luddites feared that the time spent learning the skills of their craft would go to waste as machines would replace their role in the industry. It is a misconception that the Luddites protested against the machinery itself in an attempt to halt the progress of technology. Over time, however, the term has come to mean one opposed to industrialisation, automation, computerisation, or new technologies in general. The Luddite movement began in Nottingham and culminated in a region-wide rebellion that lasted from 1811 to 1816. Mill owners took to shooting protesters and eventually the movement was suppressed with military force.Wikipedia
History Channel description (https://www.history.com/news/who-were-the-luddites)
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The original Luddites were British weavers and textile workers who objected to the increased use of mechanized looms and knitting frames. Most were trained artisans who had spent years learning their craft, and they feared that unskilled machine operators were robbing them of their livelihood. When the economic pressures of the Napoleonic Wars made the cheap competition of early textile factories particularly threatening to the artisans, a few desperate weavers began breaking into factories and smashing textile machines. They called themselves “Luddites” after Ned Ludd, a young apprentice who was rumored to have wrecked a textile apparatus in 1779.
I certainly agree quite strongly with the cautionary stance and reaction of a "Luddite", to new technology in particular with the AI/transhuman stuff. I'm not against new technology, as long as we all still keep some basic control over it, how it's used, for who etc, and not the other way around, it or someone else (elite) using new tech to control (or eliminate) all of us.
The Dykes (Truthstream Media) are pretty popular on Youtube, 84+ million views. I have to say Melissa sounds a lot like a female James Corbett. If I wasn't sure, her voice sounds, well, you know, a little dykie, if you know what I mean.
I wonder if they are downplaying the actual threat of AI, becoming smart enough to enslave or wipe all humans out, with their Hagalien dialectic talk. They sound possibly dismissing it as a potential danger. I do agree with what they were saying that some transhumanists want super powers through technology, to become like superheroes.
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I let this thread lag too much, need to add some more stuff to it, but I've just been too lazy, even though I've had some holiday days off over christmas and new years. Wanted to put up a year end movie/tv show review featuring movies with ai/transhumanistic themes, but like I said, I'm lazy! Well anyways, I can still do that, I know a little late to get it in before 2019 ended but oh well.
I have watched a considerable number of movies and shows in the last few months, mainly out of sheer boredom and depression (mainly over my injury that I still haven't fixed yet, I guarentee I will eventually though), wanting to just be mindlessly entertained (don't we all??!). I also am hooked on a stupid little game app called "Toy Blast" (I picked the name Toy Blaster on my game avatar), I'm pretty good at this game, and I can get to the top of the Illinois list on occassion; every two weeks there is a "Legends Arena" you make it into after beating the 50 new levels, and then it's just a race to the highest level you can attain in two weeks time. You can spend money on boosters, and apparently this gane rakes it in, as of 2015 it was the 4th highest grossing sort of free download game out there, bringing in over 250 million $. I refuse to spend money on a free game, especially if there is no possible financial reward for placing as high as possible. The highest I've made it to on the world list for a two week little game season is ranked #94th, beat 1468 levels in two weeks. The top ones can get to over 4600 in two weeks, I have to assume they are spending a considerable amount on the boosters to make it that far, this is at times a maniacally frustrating game, one of those free to play and pay to win kind of games.
I really should spend a lot less time on that stupid frustrating game (unfortunately I enjoy it too much when I'm defeating lots of levels easily though) and watching so much frivolous entertainment and focus on more productive things. But entertainment may also show us clues to predictive things being planned by the powers that be, so to speak, if you can pay attention and interpret the details. I half ass jokingly think of it as 'research', haha!
I'm a sci-fi fan anyway, that's what I normally prefer watching, and it seems that these days the dominant theme in so many movies is ai and trans-humanism, sometimes a combination of both mixed together. Not to say these two themes haven't been around, they've really been around longer than most of us have been alive; but there seems to me to be a crescendo being depicted nowadays that is pushing the extremely strong notion of the inevitability and futility of stopping ai (and perhaps transhuman) from dominating and taking over. Terminator movies started out seeming more like fanciful fiction in my view (like the comic book movies), but now it feels like it may be getting "for real", some of the concepts in these movies have technologies that are catching up to the concepts at an ever faster and faster rate it seems to me.
Here are a small list of some of the movies I've seen in last 6 months, these depicting a strong ai theme, "Ex Machina", "Tau", "I Am Mother" and "Kill Command". Kill command also depicts a strong transhumanistic theme, has a female character who has a chip in her brain that allows her to mentally call up data instantly over the internet and view it seemingly in front of her like a screen but in her mind I suppose. I may review some of these movies later. I Am Mother depicts an ai robot practicing trans-humanism to sort of recreate the human race after a so-called extinction event (movie description from IMDb- "In the wake of humanity's extinction, a teenage girl is raised by a robot designed to repopulate the earth."). "A-X-L is another movie, about a robot dog that I saw, kind of a low budget goofy man's best friend kind of campyness, but special effects are moderately okay.
Some of the movies I've seen depicting a strong transhumanistic theme, "Self/less", "Advantageous", "Diveregence"; "Morgan" is a movie that blends both ai and transhuman in one entity, a synthetic/genetically engineered biological human enhanced with nano technology I suppose. "Replicas" is a movie that strongly sort of merges the two as well, starring Kenau Reeves (starred in the Matrix, which I have not seen all of, and I have some misgivings about portions of the plot explanation though, might get into that in a later post) as a neural transfer specialist working for a more or less clandestine bio-tech (military in actuality) company. Certain actions of Reeves' character kinda pissed me off, but the movie brings his character off as I suppose a transhumanistic hero, transcending death for his family through full human cloning.
Anyways, the movie I'm going to review (spoiler alerts ahead, wink wink) a little more in depth for now is one I watched just over the holiday partial break period (I had two holiday days off in the middle of the week both last week and the week before) , is called "The Mandela Effect", here is a brief overview from a short LA Times article about the movie,
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...-effect-review
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In the film, Charlie Hofheimer plays Brendan, a game designer whose young daughter accidentally drowns. Over the objections of his wife, Claire (Aleksa Palladino), and his best friend, Matt (Robin Lord Taylor), Charlie seeks out a disgraced academic (Clarke Peters) who believes that if thousands are adamantly certain about — for example — an incorrect spelling of “the Berenstain Bears,” this may be evidence of alternate realities.
Not sure when exactly it was released, I saw it using the Amazon Fire Stick, using the Kodi app with add ons that can stream the movies somehow, my son told me there is gray area around the legality of that, not getting into that now, I have no idea what's legal and what isn't, hopefully not incriminating myself here. Some of the movies/shows I've seen from the Kodi and some from Netflix and Hulu (which we have legitimate accounts for).
My primary opinion of the movie is that it is a long promo for a version of a "simulation" conspiracy theory. It's telling too that hollywood (I guess it's from hollywood) would make a movie using Nelson Mandela's name and the term and concept coined by him (or coined in honor of him), and then have the main character and family be white of course, big shocker there right? Anyhoo, it does have the token black male character who is a mathematical genius, that the 'liberal' LA Times points out is a "disgraced acedemic", and at the same time they didn't even bother to give the actor's (Clarke Peters) character's name in the movie in the article. I guess they figured that wasn't important enough, nothing racist there right, well according to an alt-righter (writer) I suppose.
Clarke Peters plays Dr. Fuchs by the way, and his character I assume was forcibly made to retire by acedemia for bringing up possible mathematical computer proof of a version of a "simulation" or alternate reality theory. Alternate reality theory to me would be more like a multi-verse or parallel universes theory, and "simulation theory" to me wouldn't necessarily be the same at all, if say that there was really only one "simulation" going on right? At least I would think the two are not really equivalent in concept.
I noticed too the Berenstain/Berenstein Bears reference as the first (I think) in the movie as an example of either a false memory or a Mandela Effect (via 1984 style historic revision I assume). I remember that as a spoof conspiracy theory a few years ago, but my Mandela effect for that one is that for some reason I always thought it was spelled either Bherenstain or Bearenstain, go figure. The Berenstein conspiracy angle is part of the "Jews Control" everything 'conspiracy' too. The other really popular one in this movie the main character presented is the line from Darth Vader to Luke Skywalker in "The Empire Strikes Back". "Luke, I am your Father" (the line was actually "No, I am your father", honestly I couldn't remember which one seemed to be correct in my memory of seeing that movie such a long time ago).
Curious George, the racist colonialist brown monkey "children's book" character is also featured in the movie, with and without a tail as another example of the "Mandela Effect".
I like Dr. Fuchs character a lot in this movie, very rational, intelligent, and gives the main character enough ideas and information to try and create his own code to either interrupt the 'simulation' they believe, or he (the main character, he was a video game designer) is trying to create a do over and get his daughter back, re-write the simulation so speak. Unfortunately, the main character is informed by a family member of Dr. Fuchs' that he passed away before this guys gets to try out his new code; they just couldn't help themselves, about 99% of sci fi movies kill off the black guy (it might be less than that, but is extremely repetetive in these movies and pisses me off, and is very unoriginal anyways besides being racist). Dr, Fuchs had supposedly hung himself, I presume to explain the plot device that he felt extreme pressure from certain shady people or the "simulation" itself not to continue pursuing the "alternate reality" theory, which was the pressure he also felt to force him into a "disgraced" retirement. It's worth noting how many modern lynchings of black people nowdays are alleged 'suicides' by hanging.
Dr. Fuchs' character (and even the actor himself Clarke Peters looks a little bit like him too) reminds me a great deal of a real scientist mathematician by the name of Dr. Sylvester James Gates. I saw some videos with Dr. Gates discussing physics and string theory with Niel Degrasse Tyson, at least two years ago or more,
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Dr. Sylvester James Gates makes Neil DeGrasse Tyson desperate to hold on to Atheism
and it's my opinion that Dr. Fuchs character seems to be heavily inspired by Dr. Gates, although I found a snippet from this conference here,
2016 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: Is the Universe a Simulation?
where Dr. Gates repudiates that he really believes in a "simulation" theory, despite the fact that he has found that there are several sets and types of equations in string theory that are identical to certain computer simulation type coding (or maybe just computer coding? done back in the 40s or 50s I think), and these equations describe the universe as they know it in the "physics" sense so to speak is what I think he was saying. My way of thinking about that is, that the computer coding even back then could have been borrowed from the mathematics in any case, and not mean that we live in an actual simulation the way I look at it.
But of course if you believe in an all powerful deity, anything it creates would be a simulation if the deity could change it at will, so in that sense I would say that a lot of religious believers faith would not really be incompatible with a "simulation" theory in my view. If we were all a mere "simulation" that also seemingly represents less free will and ability to change anything than we would have other wise to believe in some other reality, at least that's my opinion, and only one reason I reject that as any real possibility. It kind of leads to certain form of extreme relativism, especially if you mix "simulation" with "alternate/multiverse", you would always be in doubt about reality, sounds too schizophrenic for my tastes, that's why I don't particularly entertain such 'theories' for me.
The other extremely implausible piece of the movie is the absurd lack of security in the building where the quantum super computer is housed, and the main guy gets in there with no real problem (after he accidentally kills the non-disgraced academic who took over the job from Dr. Fuchs, to run the quantum computer) to download his little developed coding program to feed to the super computer, and walla, he interrupts the "simulation", ends up getting his daughter back at the end of the movie. No mention of getting the tragically "suicided" Dr. Fuchs back it seems, a terrible shame in my opinion.
Overall, if I was to rate the movie, I guess I have to give at least a D-, or 1.5 out of 5, it was interesting enough to get through the whole thing, in large part owing (for me anyway) to Dr. Fuchs' character. This movie might get a lot of attention in some conspiracy circles, especially ones like the flat earth sphere () of influence, a lot of flat earthers have repeatedly gone back time and time again to "simulation" style theories to explain away all the evidence that proves a global earth.
Another couple of things I've noticed about a lot of movies/shows nowadays, conspiracy thinking is depicted as being a lot more fashionable and not strictly relegated to calling all conspiracy believers nothing but "tin foil hat wearers". I would say that is probably a mixed blessing, and also that at least some conspiracies are less politically incorrect than others, and I would imagine "simulation theory" is one that is not so politically incorrect to the mainstream. Another thing is that so many movies do depict the primacy of the female character(s), depicting them as almost superiorly capable, not only mentally but physically as well, sometimes more so than male counterparts, or at least as equal to. That sets off conservatives quite a bit I know, so it doesn't bother me too much, even if it is not 100% realistic. The thing is though, it's almost always white women, so there is a racist angle to it none the less seems to me.
Anyways, that's it for now.
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This post I'm going to cover two occurings in the world of coming automation that caught my fancy recently, robot farming and automated trucking. It will be a limited post so I won't be up all night with my slow typing ass, so I will try later to come back later and elaborate more on the one article ("Age of Robot Farmers") and the automated trucking videos.
First up, an automated strawberry picking machine/tractor with robot arm appendages attached that can pick strawberrys, maybe as good as human pickers or better, or maybe not yet or perhaps there isn't enough time/data yet to tell if that is true or not. One thing is for sure, there has to be plenty of investment (money, companies, engineers, tech folks, elites, etc,) pouring into the development of machines like this, designed to do all sorts of jobs that still require human labor for.
The Age of Robot Farmers
Picking strawberries takes speed, stamina, and skill. Can a robot do it?
By John Seabrook
April 8, 2019
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-robot-farmers
Not going to post the entire article here, it is pretty lengthy, just snippets of pertinent areas to my interest and what is useful and relevant to the thread. The opening paragraphs of the article,
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It was a hot February morning at Wish Farms, a large strawberry-growing operation outside Plant City, Florida. Gary Wishnatzki, the proprietor, met me at one of the farm offices. In the high season, Wish Farms picks, chills, and ships some twenty million berries—all handpicked by a seasonal workforce of six hundred and fifty farm laborers.
Wishnatzki is a genial sixty-three-year-old third-generation berry man, who wears a white goatee and speaks softly, with a Southern drawl. His grandfather Harris Wishnatzki was a penniless Russian immigrant who started out peddling fruits and vegetables from a pushcart in New York’s Washington Street Market in 1904. He and a partner established a wholesale business in 1922, and Harris moved to Plant City in 1929, to run it. Gary Wishnatzki is the first in his family to own a farm.
Wishnatzki, that name sounds like a nazi, hell the guy looks more like a german nazi than a russian in my opinion too. Or maybe his family is "jewish/russian", part of the 'jooworld order' right? Who fucking knows. So I guess his grandfather (allegedly penniless immigrant? fucking please, prove that) never owned a farm nor his dad, just sold produce secondhand, particularly berries I guess. In these two Youtube videos of Wish Farms, Wishnatzki did not sound to me as though he had a southern drawl or accent, in my opinion anyway.
Strawberry Harvesting Robot Demonstration in Florida
Notice too in the article, the mention of the ~650 seasonal workers that are needed to ordinarily pick all the strawberries and package them, get them stored, to market, etc., well that might mean 650 pickers not including the other farm and packaging workers, I don't know.
So in the article, as well as in one of the videos on automated trucking, they state a case of a "shortage" of workers taking the jobs (agricultural and trucking), and thus the business need for automated (robots/machines) to fill the labor gap/shortage. If there really is a "shortage" of workers, what is the underlying causes of that. For agriculture in the U.S., the article leans on a crackdown of immigrant workers (well the article states "illegal immigration" but this assuredly would affect "legal immigrants" as well I would have to believe), thus leading to fewer people in the workpool that normally fill those jobs.
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In recent years, though, seasonal labor has become much more scarce, and more expensive—making it difficult for growers of apples, citrus, berries, lettuce, melons, and other handpicked produce-aisle items to harvest their crops. Years of attempts to crack down on illegal immigration, both at the state and the federal level, partly explain these chronic shortages. In 2011, for example, Georgia enacted a strict immigration law that targeted undocumented workers and their employers. Later that year, the state reportedly lost eleven thousand crop workers. To fill the gap, officials established a program whereby nonviolent offenders nearing the end of their prison terms could do paid farmwork. The program had few takers, and many prisoners and probationers who did try it walked off the job, because the work was so hard. Georgia farmers lost more than a hundred and twenty million dollars.
“It’s very expensive,” Wishnatzki said of the process of getting visas for temporary agricultural workers—they are issued under a program called H-2A —because of all the red tape and the cost of housing. (“Expensive” is a relative term: H-2A workers are still among the lowest paid in the country.) “But at least it guarantees that we have workers, so we’re able to plant a crop,” he continued.
“I testified before Congress before last year’s Farm Bill, and I told them, ‘If we don’t solve this with automation, we’re in huge trouble.’ ”
The solution, Wishnatzki believes, is to make a robot that can pick strawberries. He and a business partner, Bob Pitzer, have been developing one for the past six years. With the latest iteration of their invention—known around the farm as Berry 5.1—they are getting close.
In the above video, Wishnatzki states a case for justifying replacing people with the robot that can pick the fruit, he claims the people are leaving and fewer people are wanting to take the job to replace people leaving I assume he means, and he claims that "replacing people is relative" meaning allegedly there will be some machine maintenance with higher skilled labor jobs to replace some of those job losses. Probably much fewer jobs created than lost I would think.
This video demonstrates a little more of the machine in action (the Berry 4.0 version) in the field.
SPW On RFD-TV: Robotic Strawberry Harvester Rolls Out In Florida
In this video, Pitzer mentions farmers "begging" for help because of "issues with the labor", of course he doesn't elaborate on those "issues". Paul Bisset makes claims about how the robots will cut costs; guarenteed harvesting throughout the season, reduce overage in packing and cooling costs, last thing he says is food safety (traceability) because it's "hands free"- presumably I guess he's implying germ free or less germs than hands could transmit to the fruit- If the machines aren't cleaned after several acres though would that really be true? and I guess it wouldn't be known without thoroughly testing it- have to wonder if it will get tested thoroughly before bringing robot picked produce to market- I seriously doubt that will happen. And I guess they would guarantee getting the machines up and running lickety split every time they breakdown right? I suppose, so only the wealthier farms could afford that for now anyway I would assume.
One thing the New Yorker article does indicate indirectly (without meaning to I'm sure), is that most agricultural work, particularly harvesting, has traditionally been done mostly by non-white people, though the article doesn't mention any race of the seasonal workers explicitly (most are Mexican it states); which I saw in other articles- I posted this in earlier posts that farm work was mostly done by black people up until about probably 60 years ago or so. The thing is, for all day labor jobs out in the hot sun, white people aren't the best suited for that and not many white people will do it all now days for the low pay that especially seasonal workers generally get. I lot of white supremacists complain all day long about the 'illegals' and brown immigrants coming to America for this work, but if they didn't, how many white people would do that work if they weren't doing it? I can't recall any of these stupremacists mentioning solving the problem of getting white people to fulfilling all the labor needs, if that is white people are unwilling or unable to do that work, if that is the stupremacists were actually successful in driving out all non white people, which would require that they start and win a second "civil war" I suppose, unlikely I would say, but I'm sure many of them love "the idea of starting one".
I'm sure AI/transhuman enthusiasts (who most of them are all white stupremacists also) are pushing for the machines to replace all the labor of black and brown people in the fields still currently needed, to feed not only white people but all other people too really, that American and other white dominated countries agriculture produces. To me that seems like another step in the direction for justification and setup of depopulation- particularly a racist depopulation, since most of the skilled jobs to maintain and run the machines are surely being catered by the techies to be trained/educated and filled by mostly whites, and there will be a few token but brilliant asian, black, brown and other peoples who are educated and skilled enough to get those jobs. The people losing those field jobs will mostly be driven into further poverty and be more transient than already, and this will create further human problems to deal with for them for sure.
Anyways, the article has lots of other info to cover, but is too long for one post for me, I will move on in the post to the next subject, automation of trucking.
This selection of videos highlights some discussion about the possibilities of (eventually that is) replacing human drivers, completely even, with automated self driving trucks (think "Maximum Overdrive" maybe, well hopefully not). First two videos from actual truckers made 5 and 4 years ago, both these guys are humorous and seem to grasp the severity of the situation of truckers possibly losing jobs and definitely losing pay for sure.
Autonomous trucks are the end of trucking
Trucker Brown
Self Driving Truck Delivers Load. Is This The Future of Trucking?
ScottTheTruckDriver
And some other videos demonstrating that the trucks can drive by themselves, albeit only technically on the highway for now I guess, but still require humans on board to take over getting on and off the highway, presumably to refuel too I guess, drive in the city and back up into docks.
Dave Whyte rides in the Peterbilt autonomous truck
Embark Trucks' Self-Driving Truck Drives From Los Angeles To Jacksonville | CNBC
This video offers no proof that this truck went all that way with no humans on board, I have to assume a driver was on board for refueling, getting on and off the highway, driving into the city at final destination etc. At least I assume that anyway.
Could driverless vehicles spell the end of the road for truck drivers?
This video also claims there is a shortage of workers to fill trucking jobs, and thus the "need" for automation to fill that gap, I didn't really see them show evidence to support that, I guess it could be true but I doubt it; if anything if there is an actual shortage I think probably due to that it is getting harder and harder to obtain a CDL than it used to be than not enough actual people to fill the jobs.
This video also highlights that perhaps completely truckerless trucks are many years away (15 to 20 they say, which is what the two truckers also surmised), but many commenters in the video comments seem to believe that it is only 5-7 years away from now. Hopefully it will never happen, but the techies surly aren't going to quit trying as long as they will always have sufficient resources to pursue it. Both the truckers point out quite logically (just like I would), unlike the news commentators that didn't point this out, if everything get's automated and so many people out of work? who the fuck is gonna buy all the product that's produced, how will the "masses" afford anything if "automation" puts way too many people out of work and the jobs aren't replaced for them to go to? I could only imagine that the elites and AI enthusiasts could give a fuck less about that, but I digress, and I'm going to cut this post off for now, try and comment on more details of this article and videos later.
