Anyone looking to discuss the REAL 9-11 truth?

slipstream

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That started as a group in 2005 after the Government scientists in charge of the investigation and SOLE authors of the 'hypothesized' official stories of collapse, REFUSED to support any and everything they pushed AS the truth.

The NIST investigation found the little localized damage, the fires present, and GRAVITY did not cause what we witness.

The Government people in charge, and SOLE authors of the OS, IGNORE what their investigation determined, to hypothesize a collapse in the opposite direction to what was discovered, with SOMEONE ELSE not initially involved with the NIST investigation, with a hypothesis pushing NEW PHYSICS from gravity.

That they get a GAG ORDER from President Bush so no one can drag them into ANY courtroom or scientific inquiry where someone might find out they LIED.


i.e. the 2008 claim from those NIST leaders of a new physics from an known issue EVERY Engineer must incorporate into every design they do. Thermal Expansion.

oh, but this is not just simple low temp expanding/contracting...no, they claim this NEW form of it completely removed load bearing capabilities whether there is fire in the area or not...VERY SPECIAL LTTE.

"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."
John Gross / Shyam Sunder at 2008 NIST technical briefing

But they changed it up a little for the final report, due to all the flack they were getting...to a 'three-phase-O-collapse' of column #79.

"The probable collapse sequence that caused global collapse of WTC7 was..."NCSTAR 1A 4.2

a column 79 NOT ONE OF THEM EXAMINED.


NCSTAR1-3 p.iii, 7.7.3..."no steel was recovered from WTC7"

NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2 "because no steel was recovered from WTC7, it is not possible to make any statements about it's quality"


The structural community demanded they support and prove their assertion...

They refuse, thanks to this GAG ORDER...

Executive Order 13470 of July 30, 2008

"(d) Protect intelligence and intelligence sources, methods, and activities from unauthorized disclosure in accordance with guidance from the Director"


The NIST Director uses to withhold the NEW PHYSICS evidence for the collapse for WTC7...

On July 9 2009 the Director of NIST determined that release of the withheld information might' jeopardize public safety. Therefore, these records are being withheld.


"NIST is withholding 71,246 files. These records are currently exempt from disclosure. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16 story and the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse."


and the NEW PHYSICS of the EXPLOSIVE GRAVITY that only ever occurred on that one single day in human history...
 

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slipstream

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The NIST findings;

NIST: “Both WTC 1 and WTC 2 were stable after the aircraft impact, standing for 102 min and 56 min, respectively. The global analyses with structural impact damage showed that both towers had considerable reserve capacity”

14.5% localized damage to each tower, per NCSTR 1-3, "Structural Response".

NCSTAR1.2B...still over 240+ untouched vertical support columns

[and NO EVIDENCE those fires WE SEE caused WHAT WE SEE].

NIST: “The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes". “At any given location, the duration of [air, not steel] temperatures near 1,000 °C was about 15 min to 20 min. The rest of the time, the calculated temperatures were near 500 °C or below”

"Jet Fuel sprayed onto the surfaces of typical office workstations BURNED AWAY within a few minutes. The jet fuel accelerated the burning of the workstation, but did not effect the overall heat released [7.3 NCSTR 1-5...around page 184]

"No conclusive evidence was found to indicate that pre-collapse fires were sever enough to have a significant effect on the microstructure that would have resulted in weakening of the steel structure." NIST NCSTAR 1-3C, around p.235

"None of the samples tested indicated exposure to the range of temperatures sufficient to weaken the steel and initiate global progressive collapse"[NCSTAR 1-3]

[The ONLY fireproofing dislodges is on those columns involved with impacts, not the remaining 240 in EACH tower needing failure at 56 and 120 minutes after impacts].

NIST 1-6A Appendix C Passive Fire Protection around p.274..."within the debris fields created by the aircraft impact into WTC 1 &2...thermal insulation was damaged and dislodged"

[NO steel from WTC7 to suggest ANY new physics as the NIST LEADERS push]

NCSTAR1-3 p.iii, 7.7.3..."no steel was recovered from WTC7"

NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2 "because no steel was recovered from WTC7, it is not possible to make any statements about it's quality"

[NCSTAR1A-3.2]
"The fires were fed by ordinary office combustibles"

no evidence the type of joining methods, materials, or welding procedures used was improper NIST 1-3, around p.99

recovered bolts were stronger than typical. NIST 1-2, around p.133

"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 6.6.2

[and NO scientific testing for 'explosives/accelerants']

"NIST did not test for the residue from explosives or accelerants" wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm

[so they INVENTED their own tests...watching video with NO SOUND and from collapse modeling they REFUSE TO RELEASE]

NCSTR1A 4.2 p.48 "Based on visual and audio evidence and the use of specialized computer modeling...NIST concluded that a blast event did not occur"

[so of course they have NO IDEA as to why all those jets or air exited the structure many floors AHEAD of the collapse wave using the parameters of FIRE and GRAVITY]

The sources for the 'pressure pulses' that created the widespread smoke and/or 'dust puffs' observed on multiple faces of WTC 2 is unknown" [NCSTAR1-5A_chap_9-AppxC p.412]

[and we have all that SULFUR that was discovered by FEMA, lowering the melting point of the LOAD BEARING SUPPORT columns.....IGNORED by the NIST investigation....go figure, seeing how FEMA john Gross finds this discovery VERY UNUSUAL]

The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure.


[, then becomes NIST LEADER John Gross, who ignores it]

"as this piece was clearly in a prone position during the corrosive attack and was located no higher than the 53 floor of the building, this degradation phenomenon has no bearing on the weakening of the steel structure or the collapse of the building"NCSTAR1-3C pp.233
 
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