I took down the email for now. I have been getting trolled on FB and YT after I put that up. In time I will repost it. Have not received a reply to our reply to Dr Nadworny. It's been quite awhile with no reply.
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@alpha77 (post #7),Can the e-mail contents copied in the thread, so links can be clicked ??
I highly doubt what he says about Germany btw. Germans are good in manipulating statistics also keep in mind, that ppl. only after 2 weeks are counted as fully vaxxed as well I believe only those that got 2 shots ! Meaning someone who has 1 shot might be counted as not v-ed!
Also note that there are some medical personal in Germany who say most are v-xed in the ICU´s also my brothers said this is true (he did work in a hospital last week)
Edit, I wonder if this Dr. Patricia Nadworny, BSc, PhD, PEng, has something to do with your doctor ??
She works in a Biotech company !
@alpha77 (from post #12),Here answer from RKI / Germany re. status for statistics:
- die Quellen und Datengrundlagen für die Grafik Abbildung 17 (Inzidenz vollständig geimpfter und ungeimpfter symptomatischer und hospitalisierter COVID-19-Fälle) - wenn nicht mitteilbar, nicht vorhanden oder bspw. als Schätzung gegeben: - eine Erläuterung der Schätzgrundlage vor dem...fragdenstaat.de
Who counts "unvaxxed" or vaxxed?:
"Für die Berechnung der jeweiligen Inzidenzen wurden die Zähler (Anzahl der vollständig geimpften bzw. ungeimpften Fälle) wie folgt definiert: COVID-19-Fälle galten als vollständig geimpft, wenn für sie in den übermittelten Daten mindestens 2 Impfdosen eines COVID-19-Impfstoffes bzw. mindestens 1 Dosis des Janssen-Impfstoffes (Johnson & Johnson) angegeben waren und das Datum der Gabe der letzten Impfdosis mindestens 14 Tage vor Erkrankungsbeginn (bzw. Diagnosedatum bzw. Meldedatum) lag. Fälle galten als ungeimpft, wenn für sie übermittelt wurde, dass sie nicht geimpft waren. Fälle, für die Angaben zum Impfstatus unvollständig waren bzw. für die eine unvollständige Impfung angegeben wurde, wurden ausgeschlossen.""
Meaning only 15 days after vx given counts as vaxxed also person who has only 1 shot counts as not vaxxed (which is wrong - these should be in a seperate category obviously) Edit, however most of this will be "Schall und Rauch" as PCR is used for the cases and we know how "reliable" this is
Application according to IFG / UIG / VIG
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
please send me the following:
- the sources and data bases for Figure 17 (incidence of fully vaccinated and unvaccinated symptomatic and hospitalized COVID-19 cases)
- if not communicable, not available or given as an estimate, for example:
- An explanation of the estimation basis against the background of the statements of Prof. Gernot Marx (see page 28, shorthand protocol 20/2, 2nd meeting of the Bundestag Main Committee on November 15, 2021) that there is no reliable information about the hospitalized patients to date (e.g. vaccination status, age, previous illness ...)
Many thanks and greetings
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So as they have defined fully vaccinated just above this paragraph and then explain just below this paragraph that partially vaxxed were excluded from these statistics,To calculate the respective incidences, the fully vaccinated and unvaccinated cases were compared to the fully vaccinated and the unvaccinated population. For the period shown in Figure 17, sufficient information on the vaccination status was available for 706,863 of the 836,135 (85%) reported symptomatic COVID-19 cases and for 41,745 of the 60,387 (69%) hospitalized COVID-19 cases.
so we are left to wonder how many partially vaxxed there are (of the 15%, 836,135-706,863)=129,272, how many PV vs UV), and so which category would they (FV or UV) be placed in if any of this group were to be tested and test 'pos' for the Rona?- if they were to be included.Cases for which information on the vaccination status was incomplete or for which an incomplete vaccination was given were excluded. "