My contribution to LoopDLoop's (and Robert Wagner's) analysis of the Claircom/GTE Airfone records.

Blue_Windows

New member
The phone would only come off of the headrest if a card was swiped first ? Would continuing calls from that unit be under that card or could an alternate card # be entered ?

Yes, the phones were locked into the headrest. You had to swipe a card through the front-end box before you could take out the phone. I imagine the calls would be billed to the card you swiped automatically, unless you manually entered a credit card number. In the case of the cell phone calls, what I think happened was similar to this:

1. swipe card to unlock phone
2. punch in sequence of digits to 'open' cellular connection via the picocell in the back-end
3. pull out your cellphone
4. type in your credit card number into your cellphone's keypad

I'm just trying to explain why only the people who had cellular # reported on Caller ID (Burnett, Britton and Wainio) had all manually entered their card numbers, while everyone else on United 93 simply swiped their credit card. This is glaring for Burnett, he enters his card # for all of his "airphone" calls. My question is, why? What was stopping these people from simply swiping their card to pay for the call? You had to swipe your credit card to even unlock the phone in the first place.

I've heard one person say they were trying to buy minutes...it's like nah. Those calls were all to family members or loosely connected airline/GTE airphone people. The calls are billed automatically via the card you swiped, there was no need to buy minutes.
 

Vel

Well-known member
When it happened, I was not convinced it was an actual event caused by those who claimed to be responsible. Because if it was a real outsider incident, the planes would have been dealt with immediately. Also, all the evidence and loopholes were so obvious and tacky, that Helen Keller would have worked it out.
 

Ramjam

Member
As a bonus, I'll share these tables 'n charts to help clarify some points in the OP.

Table 1: I want to make clear that Tom Burnett's first, third and fourth calls to Deena (the first two are presented by GTE Airfone as if they were airphone calls) had his cell phone # on Caller ID, as reported by his wife to the FBI. Burnett's third and fourth calls to Deena are deleted from the records, and I think lately that the column "Manual Entry Ind" is also pretty strange. Why would a customer need to manually enter a card #, if unlocking the phone from the headrest in the first place requires swiping your credit card? Possibly to bill another credit card instead? Hmm...

Chart #2 is a helpful visual aid. Tom Burnett's first cellphone call was @ 35,000 feet, and the second call to his wife @ 9:37:53 was at 38,000 feet.

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Do you know if LoopDLoop is still doing any research or active in any 911 communities/forums ? I haven't been on here in a few weeks since I have been scouring the old forums through the archive on the wayback machine. It seems the forum here has become an outlet for new age incidents, and I'd really like to discuss 9/11 in specific. I know it has been beaten like a dead horse, but there is always more knowledge to uncover, as I am doing more and more.
 

Vel

Well-known member
Do you know if LoopDLoop is still doing any research or active in any 911 communities/forums ? I haven't been on here in a few weeks since I have been scouring the old forums through the archive on the wayback machine. It seems the forum here has become an outlet for new age incidents, and I'd really like to discuss 9/11 in specific. I know it has been beaten like a dead horse, but there is always more knowledge to uncover, as I am doing more and more.
I've been on this forum pretty much every day since I joined. Haven't heard a peep from Blue_Windows.
 

Blue_Windows

New member
Do you know if LoopDLoop is still doing any research or active in any 911 communities/forums ? I haven't been on here in a few weeks since I have been scouring the old forums through the archive on the wayback machine. It seems the forum here has become an outlet for new age incidents, and I'd really like to discuss 9/11 in specific. I know it has been beaten like a dead horse, but there is always more knowledge to uncover, as I am doing more and more.

He posted on here a few times, but aside from LetsRollForums I'm not aware of anywhere else he's posted.

I've been on this forum pretty much every day since I joined. Haven't heard a peep from Blue_Windows.

I still visit from time to time, but since the forum is rather inactive compared to the old one, I don't see the need to post something every time. Sorry.
 
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