I would say viruses do not exist in nature, possibly are made in the lab. There are meanwhile some docs and scientists bringing the idea to the front that viruses are BS and some even say contagion is BS too. Eg. Stefan Lanka or Tom Cowan. Lanka won a court battle re. the existence of a virus (which one it was ? Polio ?) and here is a www where you can find a bunch of FOIA request re. the "C-virus" and it seems no one from the officials could provide the evidence this virus was isolated. But judge yourself:
FOIs reveal that health/science institutions around the world (107 and counting!) have no record of SARS-COV-2 isolation/purification, anywhere, ever
www.fluoridefreepeel.ca
Edit, here a shorter talk (8min only) by Dr.s Kaufmann and Gowan about how they "find" or "prove" "viruses":
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www.bitchute.com
The virus is the vax, simple as that. Some also say viruses (or at least the nano particles and/or graphene oxide - GO) are in chemtrails etc. but I am not sure about that.
Thanks for the posts alpha, preciate that.
I can't really subscribe to hypotheses put forward in more recent years that viruses "do not exist", I do believe that viruses exist and there is enough evidence to prove that, how they replicate in general. It has also been posited that viruses are simply exosomes, I'm not sure that I can believe that as yet either, although it wouldn't surprise me that some viruses are indeed exosomes and that perhaps all species produce "exosomes" for in house biological function (which can perhaps replicate in specific targeted cells for specific functions etc.) , and exosomes then shed or released by an organism (waste, urine, feces, sweat, spit etc.), could be the viruses that "infect" other organisms (and of the same species or cross species et al); that is just a hypothesis I've thought of more recently, and I'm not going to really try and dig to see if there is any evidence I can find online to support that, way too much work, but I think it's a very interesting idea to look into in the future for sure. I don't buy that viruses are only created in labs either, viruses are very complex but they are relatively simple compared to bacteria and eukaryotic cells so I believe they do naturally exist.
Another idea I've heard of is that germs are never contagious or they can not cause disease, "terrain theory", and some go so far as to say terrain is everything and germs have nothing to do with disease; that is also a concept that I cannot agree with either. One thing that strikes me when I hear certain people advocating for that extreme of the terrain theory, is that they seem to completely ignore the fact that germs, especially bacteria, fungi, protozoa, other microbes, and I'd say really viruses too (although they are in another category not truly living but definitely have biological activity or can be if fully intact), are independent organisms and live or are present just about everywhere. And if/when they replicate wildly out of control in your body, damn well you should believe that they can cause "infection", and many "infections" can lead to disease, and probably some infections are really chronic infections that never really actually go away, more like they are somewhat dormant at times hiding/buffered/protected inside "biofilms" somewhere in the body, and persistent for many years perhaps for the rest of the person's life, but that angle is for other posts as well. Now of course the concept of the "terrain" aspect of disease is something I've only known of for a few years now, so I think the "terrain", environmental condition, particular the chemical constituents of everything we ingest, breathe, take in, conditions we live in, toxins (molecules, heavy metals, chemicals of which there are perhaps millions of different kinds etc.), "terrain" certainly has to have a lot to do with disease; however germs are obviously a part of that "terrain", a huge part of that terrain so to say germs have nothing to do with disease is something that sounds and seems nonsensical to me.
But, does that mean I believe everything some of the 'holy experts' at the CDC or NIH claim about most of the media reported diseases, of course not, the likelihood of deception is extremely high from these people with regards to agendas handed down from elite higher ups, no doubt. Do I believe that the alleged 'sarscov2' virus exists? No I don't, and even if some cov virus exists that is similar to the published genome of 'sarscov2', would I believe any such virus really causes what is called or termed "covid-19", hell fucking no I don't believe it. To bolster my view of it, especially to convince any sheople of this, a lot of evidence has to be brought to the fore to bolster the argument, I had attempted and made quite a few posts last year on showing my view of that, and I still have most of those posts saved in word files that I archived before LRF was hacked and the original forum got scrubbed (I guess in Feb 2021?), and it will take me quite a while to repost all of those posts, but i don't spend too much time on it since my computer is so slow, and I type really slow, so lengthy posts take me a long time

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Anyway, I'd thought I'd share a link which posted some of these FIOA requests to the CDC from Christine Massey, and I wanted to highlight one piece of language that covidiots would use to try and discredit what she is saying,
In Response to Freedom of Information Act Requests: CDC Admits There Is No ‘Gold Standard’ for the Isolation of ANY Virus
https://truthcomestolight.com/in-re...gold-standard-for-the-isolation-of-any-virus/
This part of the CDC response is not an admission that they have never "isolated" 'sarscov2', only that they have not "isolated" it in the manner Massey described in the FIOA requests,
"that CDC does not purify or isolate any COVID-19 virus in the manner the requester describes."
and indeed in the other link, one of the CDC response letters gives links to studies claiming to show evidence for "isolation" of 'sarscov2' and to links claiming evidence it causes infections etc.,
I'm assuming Christine Massey is the one that authored the lengthy article there; I didn't really read all of it, she did not seem to delve into the links given to her in the article, she is dismissive of some parts of the responses, perhaps legitimate dismissal and some maybe not, I haven't gone through those links myself, eventually I will look at them. One thing I think that she could have cleared up, is by outlining at least one method she would say was acceptable as proof of virus isolation/purification, a viral stock with which study and experiments can be utilized from. But I suppose if she seems to be advocating that viruses "aren't real" then it would seem no "isolation" methods could ever prove such, but she seems to be implying some other method other than what the CDC response said there, which was that the virus "can be isolated by culturing in cells", and presumably the cells used to culture may indeed not be pure or free of other viral contamination.
Now for instance, a general method I can think of off the top of my head is, centrifugation in a sucrose gradient of a diseased patient sample (blood or extracted tissue vortexed in buffer) and extraction of the pure gradient phase centrifugation band where viral particles should presumably precipitate at, and then only viral particles identified and sifted from other similar size cellular components etc., that's kind of my generic understanding of a general accepted way of obtaining virions from a diseased patient or animal, and assuming a high infection/viral load there should be plenty of virus (high concentration) of mostly the one kind in active infection (which sometimes multiple ones are replicating though), or separate out any other viruses from the one type you're looking for. Now after the first stock is produced from the patient like that, then it can be further replicated/cultured in host cells (host cells known to be free of any other viruses is absolutely key) to produce further concentrated viral stocks. That's my basic understanding of a general viral isolation method, so perhaps the CDC or any of the other agencies has or has not done this for any viruses let alone 'sarscov2', I have no idea at the moment.
But anyway, I may come back to that topic, but I want to continue with the some of the original posts from the original thread I had posted last year, more smoking guns of a simulated (hoax) pandemic.
On more thing I will add though, in what I think was the original paper to have claimed to have isolated the Wuhan 'sarscov2' (genomic sequence really) in pneumonia patients, (I had posted this in a different thread) I outlined that the Chinese health authorities routinely screened for the original (alleged) SARS virus and any other SARS-like coronaviruses in patients, particularly in the winter time, like "corona" season is the same time of year as "flu" season of course,
A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin
Published: 03 February 2020
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7
Abstract
Since the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) 18 years ago, a large number of SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs) have been discovered in their natural reservoir host, bats
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4. Previous studies have shown that some bat SARSr-CoVs have the potential to infect humans
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7. Here we report the identification and characterization of a new coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which caused an epidemic of acute respiratory syndrome in humans in Wuhan, China.
The epidemic, which started on 12 December 2019, had caused 2,794 laboratory-confirmed infections including 80 deaths by 26 January 2020.
Full-length genome sequences were obtained from five patients at an early stage of the outbreak.
As a laboratory investigating CoV, we first used pan-CoV PCR primers to test these samples13, given that the outbreak occurred in winter and in a market—the same environment as SARS infections.
This was my response to that last section here from that paper,
So samples from these seven patients are sent to WIV (Wuhan Institute of Virology) for diagnosis, and a set of “pan-CoV” PCR primers (“fishing” primers I'd call them) are used to test the samples, for possible coronavirus(es) (as in plural meaning screening for multiple different “coronaviruses” at the same time I'm assuming here); given that the outbreak is in the winter time there, “THE SAME ENVIRONMENT AS SARS INFECTIONS”.
Now it seems possible to me, that the WIV had used sequences generated from the "pan-Cov" PCR primers to stich together a genome from probably multiple viruses, perhaps infecting these patients; but likely or on the other hand- the whole genomic sequence published for 'sarscov2' had in likely fact been generated probably quite some time before these patients supposedly were ground zero for 'covid'; in other words it makes sense to me that this genome has been highly bio-engineered, even if the virus has never been made or made in a lab but never been actually released (don't know for sure of course); I believe the sequencing of this genome is intimately related to the narrative of 'covid-19' disease, which so many symptoms and different diseases conditions have been attributed to this supervirus to be able to cause, a rebranding and lumping of a whole slew of diseases together, much like they did with HIV and the consort of AIDS and immunocompromised diseases, so too are they doing this with 'covid' for a slew of lung diseases (mostly) and plenty of other diseases that can end up with acute lung injury and eventual ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) which is potentially lethal 50% of the time or more. SARS was originally a rebranding of ARDS in my opinion (on a small scale), and 'covid-19' is a rebranding of SARS and therefore of ARDS (on a large scale) with a slew of other causes thrown in with the alleged biochemistry and activity/abilities of 'sarscov2', so that the fake 'pos' rate with people having so many other diseases and so they will then attribute to 'covid-19' that which they really had another disease and may not have even known it. I started to lay all that out in a couple of other threads last year but it will take significant amount of time for me to recreate those posts on the new forum, unfortunately.