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In order for you to understand the context of this article, watching the following very short clip of Senator Bob Kerry, 911 commissioner, is necessary. It's as easy as 1:23. And exactly how long it is. Please watch and listen.

911 Commissioner claiming 911 is a 30 year old conspiracy



The conspiracy in actuality goes back farther then 30 years. 1958 is the earliest we can establish it. It can be traced back to the actions needed for Rockefeller to float the plan, gain public approval or awareness, and then the long process of evicting the owners and their buildings through eminent domain. Then the demolitions of those structures named Radio Park, and then finally the excavation and the building of the bathtub.

Now if it is a 30+ year conspiracy, and it is, we must ask ourselves if they planned comprehensively and completely for all contingencies. And since 911 has all the hallmarks of a sophisticated U.S. Military psyop and operation, it is safe to assume that they did plan for all contingencies.

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To Kill or not to Kill 3,000 Americans:


When we consider the breadth and length of this operation, and the 3,000 alleged deaths at WTC on 9/11, we need to ask some critical questions. Was this a 30 year old conspiracy to commit mass murder? And if so, how would it ever be possible to plan such a huge conspiracy, involving so many hundreds of people, perhaps thousands, and have them all remain silent about such a wicked and insidious plan of murder? And that of their own citizens and fellow Americans?

This presents formidable obstacles, the human element, which might prevent the total success of this plan. Now ask yourself another question. Is it possible that they created a 30+ year conspiracy that relied on 3,000 fake victims, rather then a plan of mass murder? It is logistically far more possible to include large numbers of people who are involved in a mass hoax, which paid exceedingly well, rather then a mass murder itself. Lets bring this home so you can see the analogy in operation;

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Did Lucky Larry Silverstein, for a few more dollars, agree to participate in a huge plan of mass murder of 3,000 people? Many of which would no doubt have been his friends, golf partners, financiers and business partners? Did Rudi Guliani, for a few more years of office, participate in the mass murder of 3,000 fellow New Yorkers, many of which would have been his friends, political supporters, etc?

Were not the Twin Towers filled with Bankers, Investment Bankers, and high stakes Financiers? And would many of them not have been Larry Silverstein's and Rudi Guliani's friends? Of course they would have. Rockefeller himself was close friends with the owner of Windows of the World, and helped finance it, as well as the renovation, 25 million worth of renovation, to one of Rockefellers favorite landmark restaurants in New York City.

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Is this the face of a man who willingly participated in a conspiracy to commit mass murder? Or is it the face of a man who profited heartily from a conspiracy to hoax the death of 3000 Americans? How does Rudi Guliani sleep at night? With his wig off of course!
Which is easier to plan a 30 year conspiracy for and gain widespread participation in that plan?

1. A plan which includes the mass murder of 3,000 Americans, many of which would no doubt be friends, or relatives, or friends of those same people?

2. A plan which creates the Illusion of 3,000 murdered Americans?

3. And which above is the CRAZIER CONSPIRACY THEORY? #1 or # 2?

Remember before answering, that this conspiracy would involve hundreds, thousands of people through the years. And each and everyone of them would need to remain silent. And happy. Already it is looking bad for #1, the plan to murder 3000. In either scenario, the participants are all well paid. Probably to the tune or average of 1.8 million dollars per participant. Lesser players would of course, receive lesser amounts. This idea of massive payout remains true under either scenario, #1 or #2. The Victims Compensation Fund was roughly 7 billion dollars, and the Business Compensation Fund, which few are even aware of existing, was roughly 38.5 billion dollars. This money was used to fund the entire operation, and paid for all of the actors and beyond. With a helluva profit margin, 45 billion dollars is an awful lot of happy.

It is obvious that it would be far easier to hoax the mass murder of 3000 then to commit the mass murder of 3000. After all, the plan wasn't hatched in a year, or ten years. They would have 30+ years of planning and of choreographing the event. With 30+ years of planning, they could build a special set of buildings, which were magical tricks in the making. A living illusion. This way they could control the footprint of the crime scene. And make sure there was no collateral damage or accidental deaths.

Mass Murder, the Ruling Class, and Political Power:


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Having said all of that, regardless of our own intellectual capabilities, we all know instinctively that a plan of mass murder of 3000 fellow citizens and Americans involves huge political risk. And having 5,000 years of learning experience, they knew full well as do we all, that whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. For prime examples of this, see our stories and articles on William Rodriguez, Harry Roland, Bill Heitman and Denarious Jaunita. You see, it isn't that the Ruling class has a problem with mass murder, or even the mass murder of 3000 of it's own citizens. As under either scenario above we know that the purpose of the event was to hijack the U.S and Western Militaries, and go to Afghanistan and Iraq to perform in essence a genocide of monstrous proportions.

A mass murder of 3000 fellow Americans is a plan, which if carried out, could and would have huge risk, both operationally and politically. Anything that can go wrong, could and probably would. There also would be a huge unforeseen ripple effect among the population. Unforeseen being the key word. Not knowable equates to possible lack of control. Lack of control is not something the Ruling class are about.

While not perfectly suited for this analogy, the following short animation speaks near perfectly of what the Ruling class wanted to avoid on September 11th, 2001. Simply change a few of the key themes of this animation to adapt it to 9/11, and a plan of mass murder gone wrong, and quickly found out by the public. It is not necessary for you to watch the entire video to quickly get the idea, as the video is redundant.



The Ruling class are not beyond mass murder, or the mass murder of their own citizens in order to advance their agendas. It's just mass murder wasn't the order of the day. Mass deception and Illusion were. It wasn't convenient for them to kill 3000 Americans. With a 30+ year plan, they could avoid that pitfall altogether and remain firmly in control of every contingency and every failure. For a practical application of this, notice that Rudi Guliani and Larry Silverstein are not looking over their shoulders wherever they go, wondering if a crazed victims family member, aware of their participation in the murder of their loved one, is going to gun them down and exact personal justice.


September 11th, 2001 - The Greatest Mass Illusion of Modern Days:


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Now we get to the meat and potatoes of this article. Which is the crazier idea? That George Bush, Larry Silverstein, Rudi Guliani, and hundreds, and probably thousands of others, participated in a plan to knowingly commit the mass murder of 3000 people?

Or, the idea that that George Bush, Larry Silverstein and Rudi Guliani and hundreds, and probably thousands of others, participated in a massive hoax with the illusion of 3000 murdered?

The former theory is that supported by every card carrying member of the 911 truth movement. From David Ray Griffin, all the way down the crazed and mentally disturbed Alex Jones. And all others in between, even our beloved and not so teflon super hero, Willie Rodriguez. As a matter of fact, it is actually a tenet of faith of the 911 truth movement, that you not only embrace the ridiculous theory that the day was a day of mass murder, but that you not deviate from this, even .0033%. Or what amounts to one victim. When I say tenet of faith, I mean exactly that. With no way in the world to prove a real victim of 9/11, we must take their word at it and take it by faith. Thus it becomes a religion unto itself. Consider this if you will. In a day which claimed 3000 American lives, what death did you see? What death did you witness? None. Only that of the jumpers, and no examination was ever possible of remains. Again, the only death we saw on a day which claimed thousands, is that.

In order to become a card carrying member of the 911 truth movement, one must adhere to this tenet of faith as well as a few others.


Rock, Paper, Scissors:


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The 2nd tenet of faith, in order to become a full fledged card carrying member of the 911 truth movement is the circular idea that whatever the Big Money & PHD's and the 'credible ones' say, goes, and cannot be challenged. <insert halo here above heads of various card carrying 911 members> It becomes established orthodoxy. The problem with this is that they all contradict each other. Often times fatally. They also do not work together or provide the network or front of a movement. This is by design. Rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, paper beats rock.

Has anyone else noticed how the entire 911 truth movement has been taken over and co-opted by PHD's and Big Money? And that it is these same PHD's and big money which then proclaim to us that the real problem with 911 is that we have no credibility? Does anyone else see the self contained contradiction there? You see, this is a very clever ruse, of which they are all playing on you. They feed you the idea we lack credibility. Not so. There isn't even any such thing as credibility. It doesn't exist in any tangiable form anywhere on this entire planet. And anyone with a 7th grade education knows this or should know it. There is fact and fiction though. Truth and lies. Truth is credibility, regardless of the person or messenger who carries it. Let me supply another analogy to bring this idea to life so it can be seen for the hypocritical method of control that it is;

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Richard Gage, who claims the reason 911 hasn't gone anywhere is because of credibility. If only we allow AE911truth.org to rule over all and all get behind this organization, all of us, then and only then will the mainstream media listen to us, and then put on their beloved broadcasts, these fine credible PHD's. Who will then, according to their theory be able to spark interest by the FBI and the U.S. Congress to see the obvious, and then finally act to produce justice.

The premise is flawed from its inception. First of all, we all know instinctively that everything which rolls out of any news media program which is mainstream is lies in entirety. Unless they report such things as the date, or yesterdays weather. They are all paid liars, actors and yes men. Thus whence cometh their "credibility?" How can a liar or a yes man or woman who gets on TV and lies to millions every night for a living, ever be considered to be a credible source? Rock, paper, scissors again. There is a purpose to this ruse. The card carrying members of the 911 truth movement don't want you, the masses to see something. Something which is obvious and right before your eyes. It is so obvious it is not only in plain sight, it is all around you, everywhere you go and read. It is a simple truth, but one which needs be hidden.


No Controlling Legal Authority:


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What they don't want you to see is that there is no controlling legal authority left in America. [Selah] Think and ponder on this. Please read it again and let it sink in. Understand it. Understand that while it is only a few words on paper, it contains huge implications, far and wide. The very idea of no controlling legal authority is about as scary as it gets. Let me ask you this.

Do you think that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has enough expertise to have known what we all know now a few weeks after 911 or even sooner? And this scenario for the question assumes a non corrupted FBI. Were they hot on the trail of breaking the 911 crime, only to be stopped when they found some crazy theory about it on the internet, which ruined their pursuit? This is what they would have you believe. Would this, or could this have halted a legitimate investigation under way? The answer is rhetorical. No. The only investigation which was done by the FBI, was that which was needful for them to convince the general dumbed down public that there was indeed and FBI investigation. Thus no controlling legal authority.

And for anyone in the card carrying 911 truth movement to even suggest this as being true, no controlling legal authority, would itself shine a spotlight in a dark place, and reveal and undermine their own stated goals. e.g.

If any of them admit that there is no credibility in the mainstream press, they at once undermine their own position seeking to gain 'credibility' and thus access to this medium, as this medium is itself corrupt and has no credibility. For them to admit to no controlling legal authority would undermine their own weak position even further. For why would we seek redress from a government gone wild, when there is no authority in that government which is ruled by law and which could effectively create justice in a situation where none seems to exist? I speak mostly here of the available investigative branches of the government, FBI, as well as the power of the U.S. Congress to conduct investigations.

Rock, paper, scissors. Remove any one of the three, and the game is winnable, with an outcome of winners and losers. The third element, regardless of whether it is a rock, paper, or scissors, adds to the tension, and the open ended never ending game which is being played on the masses.


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Now onto the title and close of this article;

The 9/11 Truth Movement - 30 Year Conspiracy

If we are looking at a 30+ year conspiracy, and we are, then we are also looking at a truth movement which was conceived of, built, structured and put into place before 911 and immediately afterward. Instant breakfast, drive through car washes and ready made truth movements. Does anyone who has been here since the beginning ever wonder the speed at which the 911 truth movement was born? It went up so quickly, it is hard to imagine that it wasn't ever here before 911. It went up nearly as quickly as the towers came down. And there was obvious reasons for this, many of which are obvious to the reader. But one of the bigger reasons for this is because if they had not done this, they would have lost control before they ever had it.



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An example of this is if every base is covered, by and large, by others, then why reinvent the wheel? Why not go and support the guy who made that wheel? Thus shortly after 911, what became almost instantly available was a vast virtual Mall of "911 truth." Each and every storefront inside this super mall, contained one individual aspect of the larger truth.

One could go to the truth court at the mall and see all about the War games at one store, and WTC 7 at another. The large department store at the end of the mall was the world trade center, the largest store of them all. They had some storefronts with planes, others with no planes, still others with planes with pods. And a smaller one down a side hallway at the Mall with holograms. In the exact center of the Mall they had the Pentagon storefront. And at each end of each 5 pointed evil wicked insidious satanic Pentagon would be a hall of even more stores. I still haven't been to ll of them.

And the Mall, massive as it was, was built with sub levels and basements and all sorts of other exciting things to excite the senses and provide needed drama. The Mall was so massive it even contained an Olympic sized pavilion, where those of every sort, color, creed and breed would go and shout it out, with bullhorns and trinkets. They provided live entertainers, clowns and jokers to go through the Mall and make sure everyone was fearful and afraid.

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Owning this massive structure of actors and entertainers were of course the planners of the Greatest Illusion ever created on Planet Earth in modern times. They provided pick pockets and shucksters to walk through the massive throngs of people in this Super Mall, relieving many of their wallets, unattended purses and belongings. They set up in all of the halls of this massive virtual structure great halls of mirrors of every kind, and had many fog machines for the fear effect. Anywhere you went in this massive super mall, named the 911 truth movement, was fear, fear and more fear.

They built in these massive strange new devices which they called false hope machines. So many names were given for these false hopes it is near impossible to remember a single one by name, just a dreary memory that those halls where these machines were, ironically became the most painful places to hang out, and one would wonder why after visiting so many times, if it wasn't for the sheer reason that it felt so good when we stopped. Painful Pleasures was the name of one storefront I recall. Out of business now. 404 on the doors.

The Super hero storefront was far more fun, with far less and infrequent letdowns, and their food court was also much better anyway. Everything in those stores, of which there were only a few, was all bright, white, and shiny. Impeccably so. The clowns and jesters weren't even allowed in those areas of the Mall, and the owners of the storefronts had little known contact, with the other stores in the Mall. And these storefronts were also the most profitable operating units in the Mall, or at least equal to the fright-fest which was located on the 5th point of the Pentagon, center court, right next to Harry Roland's tour guide services for the Mall. Harry Roland would also keep an eye on center court, also known as ground zero, making sure no independents set up shop, and also providing a healthy dose of entertainment and remembered scripted horrors of the ghosts of hoaxes past.

I remember when first going there how much brighter it was then the rest of the mall, always took my eyes time to adjust, if not for the sheer outer glory of that store. The Superhero store seemed so sterile and scripted compared to all the other stores. Yet, oddly, never spent a ton of time at that store because it seemed strangely hollow and empty.

I was never really able to fully put my finger on it. Something just seemed wrong about it. It seemed like if I went there once, there was nothing else really to see.

I also had the impression the few times I was there that there was a lot of hidden body language and secret signs going on which I didn't fully understand. Sometimes, if you would slow down the video, you could discern some of the more obvious secret hand gestures normally missed in conversation or screenplay going at the time, directed at the poor souls trapped inside this Super Mall.



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So what we see is what we get. It's a wysiwyg world. But discernment is needed to see it for what it is. And sometimes, like above, simply a hidden snapshot, taken somewhere in time in some bright shiny corner of the Superhero store, in the Superhero space and time continuum, lies more truth then is in the entire rest of the Super Mall combined. A stitch in time saves nine. Body language 101 at it's best. Ironically, using reverse video technology, this body language above is mirrored and the same.

Somehow after 9 long years of having been trapped in the Mall and huge halls of endless mirrors, magicians, tongue talkers, jugglers, pickpockets, and Illusionists, I feel relieved that I found the only door out of this maddening illusion, the never ending maze of fragmented confusion.

For 9 long years I had tried every door in this, the strangest of all places, also known as the 911 truth movement mall. With each different door, of which there were thousands, and above each having the same promise of exit, with a little push of the door. Not again, another brick wall?

I pushed through the door and for the first time I did see, the strangest of pleasures, a glory to see! I looked on the Towers again and did see, that the Towers were Hollow, and a legend to be. I looked back in the Mall as the door did shut, and asked myself if the truth movement was as hollow as these...


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Cold hearted orb
That rules the night
Removes the colors
From our sight
Red is gray and
Yellow white
But we decide
Which is right
And
Which is an Illusion

Knights in white satin, never reaching the end....

(That's you and me, the Lilliputians in the story above, the travelers of this vast virtual mall)

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come ye out of her, my people, burn your 9/11 cards that ye be not partakers of their sins, and that ye receive not of her deceptions. And the Second Angel poured out his vial...And the river of truth became un-constipated, and the people did rejoice greatly. But the evil wicked owners of the storefronts in the grand super mall were wroth in anger, for their power had left them...And they conspired together further to...." to be con't.


Epilogue:

I suggest each and every card carrying member of the 911 truth movement to burn their cards and walk through the door. Screw the red pill. Get the hell out now while you still can! You'll never find the door again if close it. The 911 truth movement, as the event itself, was a 30+ year conspiracy. A giant hoax and an endless virtual Illusion.

I hope you enthusiastically enjoyed my light spirited approach to an otherwise black and dreary and exhausting tiresome ad nauseum subject & journey of research & discovery!

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Truly awesome post,Phil!

I gave up on "9/11 truth" long ago. It's just another of their carefully crafted

illusions, to keep us from focusing on what's happening at this very moment!
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nice and long post . makes you think , if you are ready to really do the thinking . good effort .
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Philbert why do you think I would have any problem killing 3,000 innocent Americans


I'd happily kill 300,000 or 3,000,000 or even 30,000,000 if I had to, if it meant I could achieve my goals then all those deaths would have been well worth it.

Killing 3,000 Americans before I had my low-cal low cholesterol breakfast on 9/11 was a great way for me to start my day

Sure we faked some of the deaths but most of them were real and they were worth it!

We tried to minimize the casualties, 3,000 is how many brave sailors died at Pearl Harbor so we figured with the much larger population in 2001 the same amount would be acceptable.
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Philbert why do you think I would have any problem killing 3,000 innocent Americans?

I'd happily kill 300,000 or 3,000,000 or even 30,000,000 if I had to, if it meant I could achieve my goals then all those deaths would have been well worth it.

Killing 3,000 Americans before I had my low-cal low cholesterol breakfast on 9/11 was a great way for me to start my day!

Sure we faked some of the deaths but most of them were real and they were worth it!

We tried to minimize the casualties, 3,000 is how many brave sailors died at Pearl Harbor so we figured with the much larger population in 2001 the same amount would be acceptable
We know Dick, if it was up to you, you would have personally shot all 3,000 in the face

But due to the likely vengeful families, and real lawsuits (not like the fake ones), they decided to fake them instead.


I'm thinking of the fun you could have had, emptying your shotgun over and over into their faces, and feel that you were probably cheated.




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I think some things are automatic. The small group of madmen who orchestrated the event....KNEW that a with the Internet, people would begin to surmise this and that and run off on wild tangents...CREATING a movement....just like JFK'rs. I see no real need for them to create much...we'd do it ourselves...perhaps stumbling upon some truths...and overlooking others. in the end, the 'movement" would be its own demise...with wild assumptions and kooky actors/entertainers like Rosie and Charlie Sheen jumping on board. They laugh as we try to figure out all out..and continue to count their riches...

Phil and other key members of this site have done a superb job of gathering info on the subject....but I am afraid the real truth will never be proven or known...
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I would respectfully disagree. With so many years of planning, involving so many, regardless of what theory one chooses, and so well funded, and media controlled, it would only cost a small tiny fraction of the total amount of the staged event itself, probably 1/10th of 1% of the total budget, to have put together a well established totally fake internet media presence. Which is exactly what we have all witnessed.


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Yep. Hit the nail on the head again, Phil. As dumb as some of these guys play on TV they are all very smart and have the ability to rely on smarter people whom they pay very well. The budget for internet media was probably laughed at compared to what they had to pay the complicit corporate executives. I don't buy for one second that none of them saw YouTube or the dozens of forums and blogs coming at them head-on with so many unanswered questions.
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Excellent summation Phil. Yes while they may have no compunction regarding killing thousands since they have subsequently killed more in wars, it was as you say not necessary to pull off the illusion. They have no real family members to ask awkward questions. The sim families/actors get/ co conspirators get to enjoy their bounty without any attendant guilt over real deaths on 9/11.

In fact some might have been persuaded or have persuaded themselves that it was necessary to carry out 9/11, that it was an act of patriotism however twisted that view might appear to others. Larry and the boys can enjoy practising and playing their rounds golf without fear of recrimination unless anyone decided to become a real whistleblower in which case it would be a round of a different sort that would await them.
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Excellent summation Phil.

Yes while they may have no compunction regarding killing thousands since they have subsequently killed more in wars,

it was as you say not necessary to pull off the illusion. They have no real family members to ask awkward questions.

The sim families/actors get/ co conspirators get to enjoy their bounty without any attendant guilt over real deaths on 9/11.

In fact some might have been persuaded or have persuaded themselves that it was necessary to carry out 9/11, that it was an act of patriotism however twisted that view might appear to others. Larry and the boys can enjoy practising and playing their rounds golf without fear of recrimination unless anyone decided to become a real whistleblower in which case it would be a round of a different sort that would await them.
Agreed..

In order to create the illusion of the Twin Towers "full of office-workers" the perps needed the participation of many private,
real existing companies.

Those companies never ever would have participated in this grotesque 9/11 terror-simulation hoax when real existing persons (let alone their own employees!) just would have been offed brutally during this simulation. No way!
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Great post, thanks for taking the time.

As you can tell I only recently found this forum. I have been researching this stuff for a few months now, but haven't had anyone to share it with because I've found by and large if you even bring it up people will blow you off and think you're nuts. The information on this site is outstanding, everyone should be commended for their efforts.

I'm curious, how many people do you think really died on that day? What about the people hanging out the windows - or were those computer created images just like the planes?
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12 May 2011 , 20:08 PM
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I agree with Ros though...i have only now heard of these other ideas and simply because i keep looking...i am willing to challenge the walls insulating the several "truths" i have been listening to and parrotting for the past eight or nine years (i think it was late in 2002 that i started to be informed by others at other forums and it caused me to look and keep looking). I did a utube search on some of the ideas mentioned here...911 actors, duplicities of a different nature and aside from what i have seen here, there just isnt enough and every new video propagates the other "truths" and of course they claim real victims...real offices...real families etc.
I took one look at this site and thought "hang on...those pictures are very odd (the "victims")...they do look like they share common features-ie: one donor face and several recipients.

But for the time since 911 i believed *for a short while* nasty arab fuckers crashed planes and killed loads of people. Then i believed *for a much longer time* evil bush and cheney (and i think i will probably hang on to that notion for a while yet) and planes or drones hitting the buildings and brought down with internally placed demolitions...causing real death and real murders of firemen, police officers and countless other innocents.

dr woods who has written a book called "where did the towers go" suggests they are playing with some kind of tesla microwave and also suggests the bridge which recently collapsed in the usa (where all the support structures gave out at the same time) is also similar to the situation at the towers.

The leadership of the truth movement may indeed be controlled by the "other side" but if this information was out there I think a lot more people would be thinking along the same lines as you people are and as i am beginning to. I don't adopt every kooky idea out there either...i embraced the original truth ideas because i knew planes couldn't do that but always felt uncomfortable with willy r and alex jones seemingly unhurtable and unstoppable when others who have warned and tried to inform us have died...(or at least i think they did...) William "Bill" Cooper

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3. And which above is the CRAZIER CONSPIRACY THEORY? #1 or # 2?

Definitely #2 is the crazier theory.
(That no 911 victims died).

Ok, time for another reality check. First, let's all pinch ourselves to make sure we're not asleep. Everyone awake? Great, but remember that doesn't mean we can't still be dreaming, even if we seem to be awake. We could be dreaming that we are awake, or we could actually be awake and still dreaming. Either way, what we really need to do is simply WAKE UP!!!

I'm sorry, but this is just going too far. Let's examine what you said above:

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With no way in the world to prove a real victim of 9/11, we must take their word at it and take it by faith. Thus it becomes a religion unto itself. Consider this if you will. In a day which claimed 3000 American lives, what death did you see? What death did you witness? None. Only that of the jumpers, and no examination was ever possible of remains. Again, the only death we saw on a day which claimed thousands, is that.
I'm personally aware -- as are millions of other people -- of at least one person who died in 911. Do I need "proof" of this - as in bodily remains - in order to accept it as fact? No, because I know of a grieving family who is and has been missing their loved one for the last 10 years. This is good enough evidence.

The real question is why we need to resort to such extreme and bizarre explanations for what we ALL saw over and over again. Is there any reason to believe that the towers were empty (of either people or things) before they came down? ABSOLUTELY NOT, since it would be an absurd assumption that no REAL people or things were in the buildings and there is certainly no evidence to the contrary - other than an "alleged" lack of these things in the remains. But you cannot prove a "lack" of things without combing through every last inch of rubble. Did you do that? Has any individual done that? Of course not, since it is physically impossible.

These absurd theories are why "conspiracy theorists" have come to be ridiculed and maligned, and why genuinely sound theories are thrown out with the trash.

Please think harder next time before espousing senseless theories and simultaneously offending every friend and family member of those who lost their (very REAL) lives on that day.
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I pushed through the door and for the first time I did see, the strangest of pleasures, a glory to see! I looked on the Towers again and did see, that the Towers were Hollow, and a legend to be. I looked back in the Mall as the door did shut, and asked myself if the truth movement was as hollow as these...
I'm about 10 years late for looking for the truth but it seems as far as the Truth movement goes, I've not missed too much!


Thanks for this post. I was a little confused reading posts disagreeing with people talking the truth on this forum. This is a great forum by the way. Well done all.

That video of the 911 commissioner saying this is a 30 year conspiracy. It's like he says it so casually.....and yet he knew what he was saying.
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I like the storefront analogy. Every single one of the 911 paradigm peddlers have their own agenda - whether selling their wares or simply fluffing their own egos .. when something starts fueling an industry of ego, truth is the first thing cast off to the wayside.
 
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