What happened to the passengers?

Blue_Windows

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Of course they were fake ! Betty Ong mentions an "upstairs" on an aircraft that has no upstairs area. CeeCee Lyles at the end of her call, you can clearly make out "you did great" as her handlers probably reassured her she did "well". The phone calls from cell phones were not possible. The phone calls from airfones were the only option then, right ? Well, based upon research I've done, the airfones were either not activated, or were plugged in externally while the aircraft was on the ground. Let's not forget Betty Ong said she was in seat 3R. That seat, 3R, did not have an airfone, in which she claimed to be sitting in. Why did so few people place phone calls ? Were they being conscientious of spending any money on placing a phone call during a hijacking ? I know cell phones were scarce at that point back in 2001, but supposedly on flight 11, there were tons of working airfones....and only 2 people placed phone calls ? I think we can say that these people existed. I just can't see it that so many people knew them, had interactions with them, photos, etc. I believe, again, they were real, told they were apart of a drill, they participated, and were executed afterward. To seal the deal, all that had to be done was to load the bodies onto pallets and load them onto the aircraft. Have the aircraft flown remotely as a drone, send out the pre recorded communications that Atta supposedly sent out "accidentally" to ATC saying "we have some planes...." to let everyone know that "middle eastern men have taken the planes over" and crash these aircraft that had these bodies stuffed in there along with some explosives potentially. I think these were real people, told they were apart of a drill, they went and participated, and then were executed in a hangar with gas/firearms/etc., loaded onto the plane and it was remotely crashed. The rest is history.


Actually, the "upstairs" part was a transcription error from the looped tape played between Nydia Gonzalez and Larry Wansley. Ruby Gray (Lorraine Clarke) broke it down a while back in a transcript she made. The original comparison isn't available, but I re-created the transcript from images she posted. https://kapitalgate.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/transcript_table.pdf You can see in the corrected version (first column on the left), the sentence is "Our purser's been stabbed." Similarly, "Did you seen the girl who got stabbed?" from Winston in the first transcription of the tape is rendered correctly as "Would they not maintain a sterile cockpit?" I suspect because of some minor degradation (not an audio engineer, so completely speculating), the looped parts (which you can follow in the 2nd column of the transcript table) were harder to transcribe. There was a second re-transcription, because the first was so bad. A YouTuber named "Conspiracy Theorista" explained the errors in the original transcript of the Ong call here (BitChute link).

Wagner's on-board picocell theory explains the phone calls quite well I think. If the calls were all made from the ground, we'd expect more calls from the American Airlines flights. The fact that there are only 9 calls out of 146 passengers (excluding hijackers) from the two AA flights, suggests that calls were made while airborne, but the on-board phones were somehow deactivated. The only way to place a call from the aircraft with its on-board phones turned off (there was a switch in the cockpit of the AA Boeing 757 which was mapped to the seatback phones) would be from cellphone. With the possible exception of Betty Ong's call to AA Reservations, which was probably from the proprietary 'flight phone (operated by AT&T Digital, of which Claircom was a subsidiary) in the back of the aircraft – Jumpseat 3R. Ruby Gray found an FBI interview which details how this worked a bit. https://archive.ph/ydxN5#selection-1527.1-1527.28

As Wagner pointed out, United's airphones were still working, so the GTE airphone records all associate seat numbers with their phone calls. Altho as I argued in my thread on the topic, a cellular connection via the picocell had to be opened first through dialing in a special code on the airphone keypad. Hence why a seat row (e.g. 25 ABC) still appears for Burnett's verified cell phone call (according to his wife) at 9:30:32 EDT.
 
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Ramjam

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Actually, the "upstairs" part was a transcription error from the looped tape played between Nydia Gonzalez and Larry Wansley. Ruby Gray (Lorraine Clarke) broke it down a while back in a transcript she made. The original comparison isn't available, but I re-created the transcript from images she posted. https://kapitalgate.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/transcript_table.pdf You can see in the corrected version (first column on the left), the sentence is "Our purser's been stabbed." Similarly, "Did you seen the girl who got stabbed?" from Winston in the first transcription of the tape is rendered correctly as "Would they not maintain a sterile cockpit?" I suspect because of some minor degradation (not an audio engineer, so completely speculating), the looped parts (which you can follow in the 2nd column of the transcript table) were harder to transcribe. There was a second re-transcription, because the first was so bad. A YouTuber named "Conspiracy Theorista" explained the errors in the original transcript of the Ong call here (BitChute link).

Wagner's on-board picocell theory explains the phone calls quite well I think. If the calls were all made from the ground, we'd expect more calls from the American Airlines flights. The fact that there are only 9 calls out of 146 passengers (excluding hijackers) from the two AA flights, suggests that calls were made while airborne, but the on-board phones were somehow deactivated. The only way to place a call from the aircraft with its on-board phones turned off (there was a switch in the cockpit of the AA Boeing 757 which was mapped to the seatback phones) would be from cellphone. With the possible exception of Betty Ong's call to AA Reservations, which was probably from the proprietary 'flight phone (operated by AT&T Digital, of which Claircom was a subsidiary) in the back of the aircraft – Jumpseat 3R. Ruby Gray found an FBI interview which details how this worked a bit. https://archive.ph/ydxN5#selection-1527.1-1527.28

As Wagner pointed out, United's airphones were still working, so the GTE airphone records all associate seat numbers with their phone calls. Altho as I argued in my thread on the topic, a cellular connection via the picocell had to be opened first through dialing in a special code on the airphone keypad. Hence why a seat row (e.g. 25 ABC) still appears for Burnett's verified cell phone call (according to his wife) at 9:30:32 EDT.
I just saw this now after doing some reading last night, and I was not able to find any evidence of there being a phone near that jumpseat that she could’ve used, but I will review what Ruby found. I see Ruby is still somewhat “active” on YouTube. I would love for this forum to become active once more, and to rehash all of the data we have now 21 years later, compare it to the provided government data, and find 100%, irrefutable evidence that shows what really occurred with the 4 flights. I will do some more digging on the on board communication devices and see if I can find anything. I work on German sports cars, I am not a telecommunication expert by any means but these phone calls were PURPOSEFULLY placed as the only “proof” of these middle eastern men commandeering 4 aircraft, killing Danny Lewin with presumably a box cutter, or potentially a 3.9” or shorter bladed knife as they were allowed on the flights as per Wansley’s own statements in the audio recording you shared with me, and then proceeding to be successful in 4/4 attempts. Not one of the flights did a group of men/women fight back before the cockpit was overthrown, not one of the phone calls fail to mention the “key talking points/evidence” of middle eastern men, red bandana, bomb, gun (Barbara Olson), and did not one of them ask for help ! Not even the man in the lavatory of flight 93 after stating white smoke was present in the cabin. This is all based upon my research, please correct me if I’m wrong on any of that. That’s why I obsess over these stupid phone calls. They’re purposefully the only pieces of evidence, all geared toward providing information about the hijackings, but not asking for help on how to better handle or correct the situation. Nobody would do that, it’s not natural, and I think these calls are the nail in the coffin for me as to what occurred that day, over 20 years ago now.
 
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